NBA Finals 2015-2016 thread

[Ilikesports17]

tossing mouthpiece in the stand vs. tossing mouthpiece at a fan. Do you realize how offensive that is?

I didn't think Steph took aim at a fan.

[jpotter33]

Is it me, or does it seem like this Finals series has already lasted far longer than any other?  I can't ever remember one where there were three days between every game.  That's ridiculous.  I wish that the Celtics had gotten this kind of scheduling in 2010, just as a starting point.  Iirc, there were only two days between games 1 and 2, but only 1 day between games 2 and 3 . What a load of crap.  I don't remember there ever being more than 2 days between games in that series, and that might have only happened twice.  It just seems weird, imo.

I read the other day that this series will set the record (or tie it - I can't remember) for the longest Finals series in NBA history.

Ah, it will be the longest. Here's the link - http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/06/15/nba-finals-will-be-longest-since-at-least-1984-ever-if-they-reach-game-7/

Just think, the NBA draft will be FOUR DAYS after the last game of the season.

[LilRip]

Didn't catch the 4th quarter but the Warriors D was terrible. Lebron and Kyrie and Tristan Thompson are eating them up inside. Sure Kerr has his "death lineup" but Bogut is able to make significant contributions on the defensive end in limited minutes.

Now, Iggy is hobbled (any word on his status?) and the Warriors look like they're in trouble. I'd still say they're favored to win the series but the Cavs have a realistic chance for an upset.

At this point, I'm not rooting for either team. I sorta wish they could both lose lol

[BRC-14]

Didn't catch the 4th quarter but the Warriors D was terrible. Lebron and Kyrie and Tristan Thompson are eating them up inside. Sure Kerr has his "death lineup" but Bogut is able to make significant contributions on the defensive end in limited minutes.

Now, Iggy is hobbled (any word on his status?) and the Warriors look like they're in trouble. I'd still say they're favored to win the series but the Cavs have a realistic chance for an upset.

At this point, I'm not rooting for either team. I sorta wish they could both lose lol

The Warriors defense was terrible when they left Iggy in when he clearly couldn't move around. It caused Draymond to double a lot leaving Thompson open for the lob or other players available. Iggy didn't help in any way but was left out there... that's what I think really cost them the game. The Warriors big's are having a hard time with Thompson for whatever reason even though they effectively rendered him useless their first two games.

Edit: typo

[SparzWizard]

Is it me, or does it seem like this Finals series has already lasted far longer than any other?  I can't ever remember one where there were three days between every game.  That's ridiculous.  I wish that the Celtics had gotten this kind of scheduling in 2010, just as a starting point.  Iirc, there were only two days between games 1 and 2, but only 1 day between games 2 and 3 . What a load of crap.  I don't remember there ever being more than 2 days between games in that series, and that might have only happened twice.  It just seems weird, imo.

They've increased the amount of travel time between games when switching arenas. Was just instituted this year.

And I think the fact that the format turned into 2-2-1-1-1 also added an effect to the gap as well.

[Beat LA]

Is it me, or does it seem like this Finals series has already lasted far longer than any other?  I can't ever remember one where there were three days between every game.  That's ridiculous.  I wish that the Celtics had gotten this kind of scheduling in 2010, just as a starting point.  Iirc, there were only two days between games 1 and 2, but only 1 day between games 2 and 3 . What a load of crap.  I don't remember there ever being more than 2 days between games in that series, and that might have only happened twice.  It just seems weird, imo.

I read the other day that this series will set the record (or tie it - I can't remember) for the longest Finals series in NBA history.

Ah, it will be the longest. Here's the link - http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/06/15/nba-finals-will-be-longest-since-at-least-1984-ever-if-they-reach-game-7/

Just think, the NBA draft will be FOUR DAYS after the last game of the season.

Wow, so it isn't just me.  TP for the info. 

[Beat LA]

Is it me, or does it seem like this Finals series has already lasted far longer than any other?  I can't ever remember one where there were three days between every game.  That's ridiculous.  I wish that the Celtics had gotten this kind of scheduling in 2010, just as a starting point.  Iirc, there were only two days between games 1 and 2, but only 1 day between games 2 and 3 . What a load of crap.  I don't remember there ever being more than 2 days between games in that series, and that might have only happened twice.  It just seems weird, imo.

They've increased the amount of travel time between games when switching arenas. Was just instituted this year.

Thanks for the info - TP.  I wonder if guys like Bird and McHale look at this new schedule and think to themselves, "where the hell was this when I played?  Back to back playoff games my ass," lol .

[Beat LA]

Btw, I thought big men who rebounded and played inside were dead? Lol, Tristan Thompson has been killing the Warriors all series, just as he did last year.  +10 on the boards for Cleveland tonight.  People can talk all they want about this 'new NBA' where big men should play outside, etc., but the game hasn't changed at all - winning and losing is, has, and will always be, contingent on the inside game.  You can hit all the 3s you want, but if you can't rebound, you'll never be able to win.  I'd much rather attempt 39 free throws than 3s, myself, but to each his own.

[Endless Paradise]

And this is why is the NBA should've kept their greasy, corrupt hands out of the game and stopped catering to their favorite star Lebron. They might have single-handedly turned this series around and given Cleveland the momentum to finish this due to their inconsistent rulings in order to appease their player king. This series should've been over with Draymond playing in game 5. But, hey, ratings and more games! 

Maybe Draymond should keep his hands and legs away from people's nuts and he wouldn't have to worry about being suspended.

Yeah, it's too much to ask the NBA to be consistent in their rulings. 

When's the last time you see two people scuffle like that and one is given a T and the other a flagrant? None that I can recall, because that's not how it works...

Gee, maybe it had something to do with one of the parties involved swiping at the other's nuts and the other party not doing the same?

And this is why is the NBA should've kept their greasy, corrupt hands out of the game and stopped catering to their favorite star Lebron. They might have single-handedly turned this series around and given Cleveland the momentum to finish this due to their inconsistent rulings in order to appease their player king. This series should've been over with Draymond playing in game 5. But, hey, ratings and more games! 

Maybe Draymond should keep his hands and legs away from people's nuts and he wouldn't have to worry about being suspended.

The NBA should suspend people when they deserve it and not wait for some relatively minor incident to use as an excuse for a make up call

So the NBA should suspend people when they hit their flagrant foul point limit? You mean like Draymond did? Yeah, I agree.

Sorry, doesn't work that way, no matter how much you want it to since they beat your Thunder. 

Perhaps his nuts wouldn't have been in the way if he wouldn't have stepped over him. That's just him throwing his arms out just like he did when he was standing up, which is ALWAYS a technical not a flagrant in any other situation.

They needed to appease their boy while ensuring more games for more ratings. That or Lebron's groin matters more to them than Adams', which wouldn't surprise me either..

It doesn't matter if LeBron stepped over him, what kind of argument is that? You know [dang] well you're not allowed to retaliate. Draymond wouldn't have been allowed to punch LeBron in the face for stepping over him and he's not allowed to hit in the nuts for the same reason.

Hitting someone in the nuts is always a flagrant. Without exception. Check out every single example of a player hitting someone in the nuts in the last several season and they were given a flagrant, either in the game or retroactively.

No, you're not allowed to retaliate. Thus why you get a technical foul just as fast as the person who initiated the contact would.

And Draymond was just reacting to the Queen stepping over him. If he wasn't stepping over him and trying to start crap, then his nuts wouldn't have been there. Therefore, yes, it does matter that he was stepping over him.

Draymond was reacting to the step-over and confrontation, so it should be what every other single player would receive in that situation - a technical along with Lebron. It was only a flagrant due to it being Draymond and Lebron's crying and prodding.

No, you don't just get a technical when you escalate the situation by being physically aggressive towards the other player. It doesn't matter why Draymond hit his nuts, he did it.

No, the fact is the refs in the game didn't rule it a flagrant.

So what? The refs didn't call anything in-game when Draymond judo-flipped Beasley or when he kicked Adams in the nuts, either. The refs screwing up in-game doesn't mean the league shouldn't correct mistakes.

And if the NBA had done nothing more the next day or just raised it to a double technical, that would have been the end of it. It's not like Lebron or the Cavs could have taken the matter to court and got an immediate ruling in their favor if NBA didn't rule it a flagrant.

Why the hell should they not have called it a flagrant? They already gave Draymond a huge break by not suspending him earlier in the playoffs, instead choosing to warn him not to cross the line. Put some responsibility on the guy actually committing the acts. He's not a victim here. He kept essentially daring the league to suspend him by racking up flagrant fouls and they eventually called his bluff.

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

Btw, I thought big men who rebounded and played inside were dead? Lol, Tristan Thompson has been killing the Warriors all series, just as he did last year.  +10 on the boards for Cleveland tonight.  People can talk all they want about this 'new NBA' where big men should play outside, etc., but the game hasn't changed at all - winning and losing is, has, and will always be, contingent on the inside game.  You can hit all the 3s you want, but if you can't rebound, you'll never be able to win.  I'd much rather attempt 39 free throws than 3s, myself, but to each his own.

I thought the premise was bogs who hit 3s drags classical bogs away from the paint where they can get busy rebounding. If Thomson is still getting his then clearly that plan has its chinks

[alley oop]

And this is why is the NBA should've kept their greasy, corrupt hands out of the game and stopped catering to their favorite star Lebron. They might have single-handedly turned this series around and given Cleveland the momentum to finish this due to their inconsistent rulings in order to appease their player king. This series should've been over with Draymond playing in game 5. But, hey, ratings and more games! 

Maybe Draymond should keep his hands and legs away from people's nuts and he wouldn't have to worry about being suspended.

Yeah, it's too much to ask the NBA to be consistent in their rulings. 

When's the last time you see two people scuffle like that and one is given a T and the other a flagrant? None that I can recall, because that's not how it works...

Gee, maybe it had something to do with one of the parties involved swiping at the other's nuts and the other party not doing the same?

And this is why is the NBA should've kept their greasy, corrupt hands out of the game and stopped catering to their favorite star Lebron. They might have single-handedly turned this series around and given Cleveland the momentum to finish this due to their inconsistent rulings in order to appease their player king. This series should've been over with Draymond playing in game 5. But, hey, ratings and more games! 

Maybe Draymond should keep his hands and legs away from people's nuts and he wouldn't have to worry about being suspended.

The NBA should suspend people when they deserve it and not wait for some relatively minor incident to use as an excuse for a make up call

So the NBA should suspend people when they hit their flagrant foul point limit? You mean like Draymond did? Yeah, I agree.

Sorry, doesn't work that way, no matter how much you want it to since they beat your Thunder. 

Perhaps his nuts wouldn't have been in the way if he wouldn't have stepped over him. That's just him throwing his arms out just like he did when he was standing up, which is ALWAYS a technical not a flagrant in any other situation.

They needed to appease their boy while ensuring more games for more ratings. That or Lebron's groin matters more to them than Adams', which wouldn't surprise me either..

It doesn't matter if LeBron stepped over him, what kind of argument is that? You know [dang] well you're not allowed to retaliate. Draymond wouldn't have been allowed to punch LeBron in the face for stepping over him and he's not allowed to hit in the nuts for the same reason.

Hitting someone in the nuts is always a flagrant. Without exception. Check out every single example of a player hitting someone in the nuts in the last several season and they were given a flagrant, either in the game or retroactively.

No, you're not allowed to retaliate. Thus why you get a technical foul just as fast as the person who initiated the contact would.

And Draymond was just reacting to the Queen stepping over him. If he wasn't stepping over him and trying to start crap, then his nuts wouldn't have been there. Therefore, yes, it does matter that he was stepping over him.

Draymond was reacting to the step-over and confrontation, so it should be what every other single player would receive in that situation - a technical along with Lebron. It was only a flagrant due to it being Draymond and Lebron's crying and prodding.

No, you don't just get a technical when you escalate the situation by being physically aggressive towards the other player. It doesn't matter why Draymond hit his nuts, he did it.

No, the fact is the refs in the game didn't rule it a flagrant.

So what? The refs didn't call anything in-game when Draymond judo-flipped Beasley or when he kicked Adams in the nuts, either. The refs screwing up in-game doesn't mean the league shouldn't correct mistakes.

Actually the refs ruled the kick of Adams a Flagrant 1, then the league upgraded it to a Flagrant 2.

Why the hell should they not have called it a flagrant?

Because it didn't amount to anything, and was a reaction to Lebron throwing him down and straddling him near the end of a game that had lots of physicality allowed in it.

They already gave Draymond a huge break by not suspending him earlier in the playoffs, instead choosing to warn him not to cross the line. Put some responsibility on the guy actually committing the acts. He's not a victim here. He kept essentially daring the league to suspend him by racking up flagrant fouls and they eventually called his bluff.

Only because of the stupid cumulative point system and the league pandering to Lebron's whining from his press conference.

[RockinRyA]

if he battered a fan by throwing his mouthpiece at the fan, then he should be suspended and the fan should sue him for battery.

There should be no place for a player to throw anything at a fan.

I know youre a Cavs fan but cmon, even you can tell the difference between throwing intentionally at a fan vs throwing at the stands in the heat of the moment

[MJohnnyboy]

if he battered a fan by throwing his mouthpiece at the fan, then he should be suspended and the fan should sue him for battery.

There should be no place for a player to throw anything at a fan.

I know youre a Cavs fan but cmon, even you can tell the difference between throwing intentionally at a fan vs throwing at the stands in the heat of the moment

Plus the NBA won't ruin the finals by suspending Curry. Also, no player has been suspended for throwing a mouthpiece at a fan. Only if they hit a ref with it. Curry will get fined, not suspended.

[LarBrd33]

BASKETBALL SUPERBOWL!!!!! 

Awesome.  So pumped.

[LarBrd33]

LeBron's Finals Stats:  30.2 points, 8.5 assists, 11.3 rebounds, 2.2 blocks, 2.7 steals 51%/40%/70%

Kevin Love's Finals Stats:  7 points, 0.8 assists, 4.5 rebounds, 0.3 blocks, 0.3 steals 37%/31%/69%

Lol good god.   Safe to say Kevin Love is gone regardless of whether or not they win, right?   I'd still gladly trade for him.