NBA Finals 2015-2016 thread

[Endless Paradise]

I wonder if Steph Curry could get suspended one game for throwing his mouthpiece at a fan.

If he does, my 'o my.

No, numerous reporters have just said the league's official stance is that it's only worthy of a fine. And even if that were unknown... they're not suspending Steph Curry for a Game 7 of the Finals at Oracle Arena for an inadvertent incident. Like, that would just be ridiculous.

[cltc5]

HA! Kerr bashing the Curry foul out tonight to the press. He said three of those fouls were obviously wrong, Lebron flopped on the last one, the ref bought it, etc. He also said there's total inconsistency with all the grabbing and everything that they're doing to guard Klay and Steph and then Steph gets called for the ticky tack crap.

Good for Kerr. If Lebron is going to publicly lobby this kind of stuff, then Kerr should, too. Take the fine and put that into the refs' and league's heads. You know they give guidance to the refs to look out for certain things before games. Smart move by Kerr.

I agree. Clearly an agenda.  Stevie wonder can see that.  Warriors getting thrown to the ground punched and held, mugged on layup a and no calls.  Players yelling at the refs no calls.  Phantom foul calls...it's ridiculous and has been for many many years.  Would be nice just to see two decent basketball teams play without a football game breaking out.

[BRC-14]

I wonder if Steph Curry could get suspended one game for throwing his mouthpiece at a fan.

If he does, my 'o my.

All sources so far say that the word from NBA officials is Curry throwing the mouthpiece will be a fine but does not warrant any suspension.

Cavs fans on Twitter are saying the league is babying him by not suspending him. It's amazing how they want to win this by suspending everyone they can.

[hpantazo]

I wonder if Steph Curry could get suspended one game for throwing his mouthpiece at a fan.

If he does, my 'o my.

All sources so far say that the word from NBA officials is Curry throwing the mouthpiece will be a fine but does not warrant any suspension.

Cavs fans on Twitter are saying the league is babying him by not suspending him. It's amazing how they want to win this by suspending everyone they can.

That's why its hard to root for the Cavs and their fans.

[chambers]

A lot of people in this thread whining about the refs. I think they're doing an excellent job and have let both sides off. A physical game helps the Cavs but it hasn't been one sided at all.
If anyone claims that this is a one sided game (officiating wise) it's because you either:

1) Hate Lebron
2) Love GSW and really want them to win
3) both of the above.

Please be reasonable.

Why are you generalizing?

No generalizing in my statement, it's the truth.
Any open minded viewer understands this is a physical game, but a it's being called both ways.

The thing is that 3 of the fouls on Curry were really slight, if no contact at all.  And that's not how he rest of the game has been called.  At all.

I don't agree. In the moment during the game, it clearly looked like a reach on Irving- there was plenty of contact to make that call in the heat of the moment.

The foul on Lebron he first grabbed his arm, then ran in front of him and initiated contact with the offensive player who has right of way. I reffed for 4 years and they're pretty simple calls to make. The first one was, so so- but as I said to Potter, they've let them go when Irving should have gotten multiple calls.

The point is, Tristan Thompson was chucking people underneath the hoop.  That was let go all night, but they call a couple of reach ins like that.  There was, as you said, a lot of contact.  Three slight calls on Curry completely alters the game.

That's a typical Scott Foster game for you.  Get one team angry because they have no idea what a foul is.

I just don't think that the Curry fouls were neccessarily 'soft'. They were relatively easy calls to make during the game.
Contact under the basket and in rebounding contests is always going to be tougher to call-especially in a physical game.

I was surprised Curry didnt get one when he stuck his leg out-but it was the correct non call even if Kerr lost his mind.

I just think the Warriors have had their share of calls and people are a bit upset that this is going to 7 games.
The amount of crap that Green and Verajao get away is never talked about-but when Thompson has a better game and out rebounds them it's a travesty.They let it go both ways and I think they've done a good job for the most part.

The Warriors are injury riddled and the Cavs probably wouldn't be in this series if not for Curry, Bogut and Iggy all suffering.
That's the reason the Cavs are in this, not the refs.

[SparzWizard]

I wonder if Steph Curry could get suspended one game for throwing his mouthpiece at a fan.

If he does, my 'o my.

No, numerous reporters have just said the league's official stance is that it's only worthy of a fine. And even if that were unknown... they're not suspending Steph Curry for a Game 7 of the Finals at Oracle Arena for an inadvertent incident. Like, that would just be ridiculous.

Yeah but Udonis Haslem of the Heat and Amir Johnson of the Raptors in the past got suspended for throwing their mouthpiece, what gives! 

[Ogaju]

if he battered a fan by throwing his mouthpiece at the fan, then he should be suspended and the fan should sue him for battery.

There should be no place for a player to throw anything at a fan.

[BRC-14]

A lot of people in this thread whining about the refs. I think they're doing an excellent job and have let both sides off. A physical game helps the Cavs but it hasn't been one sided at all.
If anyone claims that this is a one sided game (officiating wise) it's because you either:

1) Hate Lebron
2) Love GSW and really want them to win
3) both of the above.

Please be reasonable.

Why are you generalizing?

No generalizing in my statement, it's the truth.
Any open minded viewer understands this is a physical game, but a it's being called both ways.

The thing is that 3 of the fouls on Curry were really slight, if no contact at all.  And that's not how he rest of the game has been called.  At all.

I don't agree. In the moment during the game, it clearly looked like a reach on Irving- there was plenty of contact to make that call in the heat of the moment.

The foul on Lebron he first grabbed his arm, then ran in front of him and initiated contact with the offensive player who has right of way. I reffed for 4 years and they're pretty simple calls to make. The first one was, so so- but as I said to Potter, they've let them go when Irving should have gotten multiple calls.

The point is, Tristan Thompson was chucking people underneath the hoop.  That was let go all night, but they call a couple of reach ins like that.  There was, as you said, a lot of contact.  Three slight calls on Curry completely alters the game.

That's a typical Scott Foster game for you.  Get one team angry because they have no idea what a foul is.

I just don't think that the Curry fouls were neccessarily 'soft'. They were relatively easy calls to make during the game.
Contact under the basket and in rebounding contests is always going to be tougher to call-especially in a physical game.

I was surprised Curry didnt get one when he stuck his leg out-but it was the correct non call even if Kerr lost his mind.

I just think the Warriors have had their share of calls and people are a bit upset that this is going to 7 games.
The amount of crap that Green and Verajao get away is never talked about-but when Thompson has a better game and out rebounds them it's a travesty.They let it go both ways and I think they've done a good job for the most part.

The Warriors are injury riddled and the Cavs probably wouldn't be in this series if not for Curry, Bogut and Iggy all suffering.
That's the reason the Cavs are in this, not the refs.

I would understand that if Thompson was superior at basketball but he gets his offensive rebounds by shoving the defender out of the way and clears space for LeBron by getting tied up with defenders every time he sets a pick. He's still an overpaid LeBron product that is facing no consequences from the officials.

[saltlover]

I wonder if Steph Curry could get suspended one game for throwing his mouthpiece at a fan.

If he does, my 'o my.

No, numerous reporters have just said the league's official stance is that it's only worthy of a fine. And even if that were unknown... they're not suspending Steph Curry for a Game 7 of the Finals at Oracle Arena for an inadvertent incident. Like, that would just be ridiculous.

Yeah but Udonis Haslem of the Heat and Amir Johnson of the Raptors in the past got suspended for throwing their mouthpiece, what gives! 

Both were thrown at officials.  Thrown mouthpiece that flies into the fan 18 inches off the court has only ever been fines.

[Beat LA]

Is it me, or does it seem like this Finals series has already lasted far longer than any other?  I can't ever remember one where there were three days between every game.  That's ridiculous.  I wish that the Celtics had gotten this kind of scheduling in 2010, just as a starting point.  Iirc, there were only two days between games 1 and 2, but only 1 day between games 2 and 3 . What a load of crap.  I don't remember there ever being more than 2 days between games in that series, and that might have only happened twice.  It just seems weird, imo.

[saltlover]

if he battered a fan by throwing his mouthpiece at the fan, then he should be suspended and the fan should sue him for battery.

There should be no place for a player to throw anything at a fan.

Ummm... okay dude.  Weren't you the guy defending Donald Sterling a couple of years ago, offering him legal advice to sue for antitrust violations?  I'm going to say you aren't an expert on this one.

[Endless Paradise]

Is it me, or does it seem like this Finals series has already lasted far longer than any other?  I can't ever remember one where there were three days between every game.  That's ridiculous.  I wish that the Celtics had gotten this kind of scheduling in 2010, just as a starting point.  Iirc, there were only two days between games 1 and 2, but only 1 day between games 2 and 3 . What a load of crap.  I don't remember there ever being more than 2 days between games in that series, and that might have only happened twice.  It just seems weird, imo.

They've increased the amount of travel time between games when switching arenas. Was just instituted this year.

[Endless Paradise]

Also, relevant link for the last instance of a player throwing a mouthpiece at a fan:

http://www.nba.com/2014/news/12/09/kanter-fined-for-tossing-mouthpiece/

[alley oop]

And this is why is the NBA should've kept their greasy, corrupt hands out of the game and stopped catering to their favorite star Lebron. They might have single-handedly turned this series around and given Cleveland the momentum to finish this due to their inconsistent rulings in order to appease their player king. This series should've been over with Draymond playing in game 5. But, hey, ratings and more games! 

Maybe Draymond should keep his hands and legs away from people's nuts and he wouldn't have to worry about being suspended.

Yeah, it's too much to ask the NBA to be consistent in their rulings. 

When's the last time you see two people scuffle like that and one is given a T and the other a flagrant? None that I can recall, because that's not how it works...

Gee, maybe it had something to do with one of the parties involved swiping at the other's nuts and the other party not doing the same?

And this is why is the NBA should've kept their greasy, corrupt hands out of the game and stopped catering to their favorite star Lebron. They might have single-handedly turned this series around and given Cleveland the momentum to finish this due to their inconsistent rulings in order to appease their player king. This series should've been over with Draymond playing in game 5. But, hey, ratings and more games! 

Maybe Draymond should keep his hands and legs away from people's nuts and he wouldn't have to worry about being suspended.

The NBA should suspend people when they deserve it and not wait for some relatively minor incident to use as an excuse for a make up call

So the NBA should suspend people when they hit their flagrant foul point limit? You mean like Draymond did? Yeah, I agree.

Sorry, doesn't work that way, no matter how much you want it to since they beat your Thunder. 

Perhaps his nuts wouldn't have been in the way if he wouldn't have stepped over him. That's just him throwing his arms out just like he did when he was standing up, which is ALWAYS a technical not a flagrant in any other situation.

They needed to appease their boy while ensuring more games for more ratings. That or Lebron's groin matters more to them than Adams', which wouldn't surprise me either..

It doesn't matter if LeBron stepped over him, what kind of argument is that? You know [dang] well you're not allowed to retaliate. Draymond wouldn't have been allowed to punch LeBron in the face for stepping over him and he's not allowed to hit in the nuts for the same reason.

Hitting someone in the nuts is always a flagrant. Without exception. Check out every single example of a player hitting someone in the nuts in the last several season and they were given a flagrant, either in the game or retroactively.

No, you're not allowed to retaliate. Thus why you get a technical foul just as fast as the person who initiated the contact would.

And Draymond was just reacting to the Queen stepping over him. If he wasn't stepping over him and trying to start crap, then his nuts wouldn't have been there. Therefore, yes, it does matter that he was stepping over him.

Draymond was reacting to the step-over and confrontation, so it should be what every other single player would receive in that situation - a technical along with Lebron. It was only a flagrant due to it being Draymond and Lebron's crying and prodding.

No, you don't just get a technical when you escalate the situation by being physically aggressive towards the other player. It doesn't matter why Draymond hit his nuts, he did it.

No, the fact is the refs in the game didn't rule it a flagrant. And if the NBA had done nothing more the next day or just raised it to a double technical, that would have been the end of it. It's not like Lebron or the Cavs could have taken the matter to court and got an immediate ruling in their favor if NBA didn't rule it a flagrant.

[Ogaju]

tossing mouthpiece in the stand vs. tossing mouthpiece at a fan. Do you realize how offensive that is?