Thon Maker vs Dragan Bender

[TheSundanceKid]

will these guys ever work out against each other?  I'm feeling a resounding 'no' coming on

That would not work for a guy trying to hide like Bender.  So "no", they will not work out together.

Could you send me the link where you got that information? That would be big news if it didn't come straight out your arse

[Bobshot]

will these guys ever work out against each other?  I'm feeling a resounding 'no' coming on

That would not work for a guy trying to hide like Bender.  So "no", they will not work out together.

Ainge had Maker in against a couple of other 1st round bigs yesterday, and the reports are Maker did well.

See Scott Souza's story in Prov Journal, which wouldn't copy here from twitter.

[vjcsmoke]

will these guys ever work out against each other?  I'm feeling a resounding 'no' coming on

That would not work for a guy trying to hide like Bender.  So "no", they will not work out together.

A guy "trying to hide"?  You're mistaken.  The guy trying to hide is Dunn.  He won't submit his medical records and he won't work out for the Celtics.

Bender has scheduled to workout for the Celtics.  That doesn't sound like a guy trying to hide to me, sounds like a guy trying to impress his new future organization.

[Beat LA]

The answer is right in front of your face. They properly developed the talent by bringing them on slowly and giving them minutes only when they were ready for it. The development took time and for the most part happened behind the scenes and not right in front of the fan's eyes. How can you not understand that?

Hold on, are we talking about how Carlisle 'properly developed' Crowder, etc?  I understand that a lot happens in practice, etc., but you can only learn so much in that setting, and the only way to get better is by playing in games, and by playing in games I don't mean, "here, kid, go stand in the corner and try not to mess anything up.  Oh, and if you miss your first shot or defensive rotation, you won't get another opportunity this year.  Good luck.  No pressure."  You said it yourself, that's no way to develop guys, so why does it keep happening?  It's like all of these coaches seem to forget that at some point, all of those experienced players, even Hall of Famers, at one time or another, were all INEXPERIENCED ROOKIES who needed a coach to believe in them and give them confidence and encouragement.  It's a two way street - why should the players have faith and confidence in the coach if the coach doesn't show them that same respect?

You are again making assumptions. Why can't you develop players in practice and then only give them time when they deserve it? Why isn't it smart not to overwhelm a rookie by making them do things in games they are not ready to do? Why not just tell them to go out there and do what they do best and concentrate on that? You give that player to much to handle and not bring him on slowly enough and you will shatter their confidence and kill their development.

This isn't really rocket science. its simple people management. You give people jobs they can handle and do well and then introduce them to more and more to develop their skills further.

Danny said a few weeks ago that presuming they draft more young guys (that is, don't make blockbuster moves for immediate contention) that Stevens is going to have to give some young guys playing time over vets who might immediately be better players.

So Stevens's boss has said he'll likely have to prioritize playing time for young guys over waiting for them to "earn it" ahead of the vets.

Ainge has had similar things in the past in regards to wishing that the young guys played at all, really, but Stevens isn't going to change his approach, so I'll believe it when I see it.

[PaulP34]

I personally value Thon Maker over Bender but would I draft Thon at 3 ? No. I would trade #3 and pick Thon at #16 if he was still there

[Denis998]

will these guys ever work out against each other?  I'm feeling a resounding 'no' coming on

That would not work for a guy trying to hide like Bender.  So "no", they will not work out together.

A guy "trying to hide"?  You're mistaken.  The guy trying to hide is Dunn.  He won't submit his medical records and he won't work out for the Celtics.

Bender has scheduled to workout for the Celtics.  That doesn't sound like a guy trying to hide to me, sounds like a guy trying to impress his new future organization.

dunn doesnt want to get drafted by the celtics.

[SHAQATTACK]

will these guys ever work out against each other?  I'm feeling a resounding 'no' coming on

That would not work for a guy trying to hide like Bender.  So "no", they will not work out together.

A guy "trying to hide"?  You're mistaken.  The guy trying to hide is Dunn.  He won't submit his medical records and he won't work out for the Celtics.

Bender has scheduled to workout for the Celtics.  That doesn't sound like a guy trying to hide to me, sounds like a guy trying to impress his new future organization.

dunn doesnt want to get drafted by the celtics.

Don't care what he wants .....

We should draft him.   He is one of the top three .   Then trade him for Oakfor ......this is an old Laker trick to get the player they really need.

[Bobshot]

A major concern about Bender and Maker is they haven't played against top college competition.
Bender has the advantage of playing in the Israeli league, but that was as a part time player.
I don't know how much of a big deal this is for a freshman who has played a year of top college ball as a starter. Maybe it is.

I was curious about where Garnett was drafted in '95. Kevin was drafted #5 overall out of high school. He turned out to be the best player in the draft by far.  At least one team, the Wolves, was able to throw the dice on a kid with freakish athletic ability for his height.

Ainge, of course, knows all this. I wonder if he sees any KG in Maker? Is that enough to make him roll the dice?  I suspect he knows Maker will not be there at 16. As for Bender, the template is Porzingis. Chances are, that is what you're getting, and Porzingis had a nice first season--better than expected. He can shoot over everybody from the perimeter. And he can rebound and block shots just on his height advantage.

Unless Danny has a deal in place for a veteran big, I would go with either of these kids. I think Maker has the bigger upside. The other kid I would be happy with is Chriss.

[droopdog7]

A major concern about Bender and Maker is they haven't played against top college competition.
Bender has the advantage of playing in the Israeli league, but that was as a part time player.
I don't know how much of a big deal this is for a freshman who has played a year of top college ball as a starter. Maybe it is.

I was curious about where Garnett was drafted in '95. Kevin was drafted #5 overall out of high school. He turned out to be the best player in the draft by far.  At least one team, the Wolves, was able to throw the dice on a kid with freakish athletic ability for his height.

Ainge, of course, knows all this. I wonder if he sees any KG in Maker? Is that enough to make him roll the dice?  I suspect he knows Maker will not be there at 16. As for Bender, the template is Porzingis. Chances are, that is what you're getting, and Porzingis had a nice first season--better than expected. He can shoot over everybody from the perimeter. And he can rebound and block shots just on his height advantage.

Unless Danny has a deal in place for a veteran big, I would go with either of these kids. I think Maker has the bigger upside. The other kid I would be happy with is Chriss.

I wouldn't call the fact that neither played in college a concern.  I don't think that really matters. 

That said, not playing in college (for maker) means he is more of an unknown (adding to the risk of drafting him.  As for bender, he's playing against grown men which is tougher than any college game.  Of course his lack of playing time also means he is an unknown.

And I don't agree that maker has more potential.  Bender has more potential, which is why he is being considered in the top five while maker might go in the second round.