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Re: Buddy Hield Similar To ...
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2016, 11:04:12 PM »

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Instead of drafting Hield with our 3rd pick:
Sign Allen Crabbe
Trade 3rd pick 4 Okafor
Trade AB and IT
4
Jabari and Henson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWGG0UXX-ZQ

shows Jabari's athleticism in a game^^


Smart
Crabbe
Jabari- he will hit the 3 eventually, green light from 3,
Okafor- same as Jabari, except needs to get jumper 15ft and in, better shape
Henson- He's a late blooming Rudy gobert

This team's stock/trade value would go through the roof after a season. Okafor and jabari will have a much better jumper, and when that happens they will be worth a lot.

Here's a tidbit - real basketball is not like fantasy basketball. That would be, hands down, the worst defensive team in the league. The team would win under 30 games and all of these players would be worth less than it would take to acquire them today.
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Re: Buddy Hield Similar To ...
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2016, 11:06:29 PM »

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Curry

On top of off the chart shooting ability curry also possess an elite handle. Hield has an average at best handle for a SG no where near currys
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Re: Buddy Hield Similar To ...
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2016, 11:21:45 PM »

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Klay Thompson, James Harden?

Meeks didn't put a team on his back and take them to the final four.

You are wrong about Hield's offensive versatility. He can drive and finish with both hands. He can split defenders and punish defenders who overplay him on the perimeter.
To call him just a spot up shooter is not giving him any credit.

He could drive as a college senior against underclassmen. He has both hands on drive. I'm not saying he will never drive in the pros, but he won't get a lot of points there, and he won't be as effective as in college.

If you watch Meeks in the pros, you see that he attacks closeouts and cuts backdoor to get layups too.

Hey, we just have to agree to disagree :)

I just think that like Klay and Steph, the spacing in the NBA will give him even more room when defenders come out try to swarm him and stop the 3 point shot.
He'll drag help defenders away from their man and then find an open shooter.
To me he's just very similar to James Harden.
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Harden averaged almost 8 ft attempts per game his sophomore year at Arizona.
Hield averaged 5 his senior year, but only 3 his junior.

That's a big difference. In fact, Harden's game is slashing and getting the free throw line. While Hield's game is shooting. Both can do the other thing, but not as their primary ability/play style.

Re: Buddy Hield Similar To ...
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2016, 11:29:32 PM »

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How can he be compared to both Curry and Harden, two players who have two very different strengths?

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« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2016, 12:01:34 AM »

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Instead of drafting Hield with our 3rd pick:
Sign Allen Crabbe
Trade 3rd pick 4 Okafor
Trade AB and IT
4
Jabari and Henson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWGG0UXX-ZQ

shows Jabari's athleticism in a game^^


Smart
Crabbe
Jabari- he will hit the 3 eventually, green light from 3,
Okafor- same as Jabari, except needs to get jumper 15ft and in, better shape
Henson- He's a late blooming Rudy gobert

This team's stock/trade value would go through the roof after a season. Okafor and jabari will have a much better jumper, and when that happens they will be worth a lot.

Here's a tidbit - real basketball is not like fantasy basketball. That would be, hands down, the worst defensive team in the league. The team would win under 30 games and all of these players would be worth less than it would take to acquire them today.
I thought it was obvious that this was if DA went in a different direction/rebuild. BTW, who is bad defensively? Okafor was a 280 lb rookie. I'll take what I saw from him last year, including the bad job on rotations and defending stretch 4's, because he can transform his body a lot in a year especially since he already has the muscle and legit mass to work with....that's just my opinion.

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Re: Buddy Hield Similar To ...
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2016, 12:25:06 AM »

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How can he be compared to both Curry and Harden, two players who have two very different strengths?

Both have similar offensive game and can play either off and on the ball minus the passing. Both have step back jumpers and quick with the release. Hield is an improved finisher on the rim with 59%. Curry didn't improve his ball-handling until he reached the pros. Was predicted to struggle against NBA level defenders.

Hield won't have much that problem because CBS' pace and space will provide him open looks. While he may have to improve his ball handling more, he can play for this team in day one with his shooting and defensive awareness. Imagine if Hield is the one taking shots from IT's kickouts, instead of Smart, Turner and Sully?

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« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2016, 03:49:23 AM »

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Hield is the safest pick in the draft and, barring injury, will not be a bust given his stellar shooting and strong work ethic. Worst-case, he is the next Reddick; best-case, he is the next Ray Allen.

I would be thrilled to suck in Phoenix with Bender hype, take Hield at 4, and then move the rest of our picks to get back into the top ten again. Hield is definitely a guy who can contribute some major shots off the bench in his first year. He would make our backcourt a VERY balanced four-deep since his offensive game is basically already on par with the defensive game of Bradley/Smart.
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Re: Buddy Hield Similar To ...
« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2016, 05:07:54 AM »

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Reminded me of Meeks too. Hield looks a bit bigger and better defensively though. Meeks with better defense would be a good starting SG. So I look at that as being promising.

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« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2016, 06:35:31 AM »

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Meeks was a one year wonder in college.  Buddy has been doing Buddy for three years.  The only things that went up noticeably this year were his usage and his PER.  He's the safest bet in the draft.  Even Kobe said he's going to do what he did in college in the NBA - and say what you want about Kobe but I can't remember his endorsement ever being misplaced. He identified Russell Westbrook and Justice Winslow before anyone knew who they were.

Re: Buddy Hield Similar To ...
« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2016, 07:23:19 AM »

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Game reminds me of Andrew Toney

Ugh...not THAT name :)

That guy was a very good player for PHI back in the day but gave BOS nightmares.

Re: Buddy Hield Similar To ...
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2016, 07:29:27 AM »

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Hield is the safest pick in the draft and, barring injury, will not be a bust given his stellar shooting and strong work ethic. Worst-case, he is the next Reddick; best-case, he is the next Ray Allen.

I would be thrilled to suck in Phoenix with Bender hype, take Hield at 4, and then move the rest of our picks to get back into the top ten again. Hield is definitely a guy who can contribute some major shots off the bench in his first year. He would make our backcourt a VERY balanced four-deep since his offensive game is basically already on par with the defensive game of Bradley/Smart.

You've nailed it.  Less athletic than Ray, but probably will be a better one-on-one defender and rebounder.  He can be run off screens and picks all day long, and his handle is underrated, as he can drive with either hand, pull up and pop, or even vary the speed of his dribble effectively.  By the way, if not Hield, please Jamal Murray.  Not the defender that Buddy is, but a superb marksman in his own right. 

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Re: Buddy Hield Similar To ...
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2016, 08:02:15 AM »

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Instead of drafting Hield with our 3rd pick:
Sign Allen Crabbe
Trade 3rd pick 4 Okafor
Trade AB and IT
4
Jabari and Henson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWGG0UXX-ZQ

shows Jabari's athleticism in a game^^


Smart
Crabbe
Jabari- he will hit the 3 eventually, green light from 3,
Okafor- same as Jabari, except needs to get jumper 15ft and in, better shape
Henson- He's a late blooming Rudy gobert

This team's stock/trade value would go through the roof after a season. Okafor and jabari will have a much better jumper, and when that happens they will be worth a lot.

Here's a tidbit - real basketball is not like fantasy basketball. That would be, hands down, the worst defensive team in the league. The team would win under 30 games and all of these players would be worth less than it would take to acquire them today.
I thought it was obvious that this was if DA went in a different direction/rebuild. BTW, who is bad defensively? Okafor was a 280 lb rookie. I'll take what I saw from him last year, including the bad job on rotations and defending stretch 4's, because he can transform his body a lot in a year especially since he already has the muscle and legit mass to work with....that's just my opinion.

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Re: Buddy Hield Similar To ...
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2016, 08:58:20 AM »

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Hield makes me think of guys like Leonard or Butler.  Late bloomers.  Hield won't be as good his rookie season as these guys are now but I think the potential is there.

I think we could trade down a few spots and still get him and if we did something like that, I would be fine with it, depending on the specifics of the actual deal.

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« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2016, 09:12:59 AM »

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How can he be compared to both Curry and Harden, two players who have two very different strengths?

Both have similar offensive game and can play either off and on the ball minus the passing. Both have step back jumpers and quick with the release. Hield is an improved finisher on the rim with 59%. Curry didn't improve his ball-handling until he reached the pros. Was predicted to struggle against NBA level defenders.

Hield won't have much that problem because CBS' pace and space will provide him open looks. While he may have to improve his ball handling more, he can play for this team in day one with his shooting and defensive awareness. Imagine if Hield is the one taking shots from IT's kickouts, instead of Smart, Turner and Sully?

They really aren't similar. Curry uses his outside shooting to stretch the defense and then attacks closeouts to get to the rim. Harden uses his driving to slash defense and then pulls up when they back off.

Again, Hield was doing that as a four year senior, against boys. It's not uncommon for players to have improved driving numbers throughout their college career because they are simply becoming more athletic than their counterparts.

Re: Buddy Hield Similar To ...
« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2016, 09:13:40 AM »

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Reminded me of Meeks too. Hield looks a bit bigger and better defensively though. Meeks with better defense would be a good starting SG. So I look at that as being promising.

I agree with that. My point is that I'm not sure that is 3rd pick material.