No Celtic workouts for Dunn

[Tr1boy]

I wonder if this is going to make Danny want dunn even more
Practically this could be a good trade for both 76ers and celts

[sdceltsfan]

I'm definitely down to trade for Okafor, but like it's been said on this thread.....anything beyond #3 and a late 1st or a couple 2nd's just isn't worth it.

Including Bradley who is a starter/6th man on most teams is insane. What he does best far surpasses anything Okafor currently brings to the table.

Point is, if it costs that much, we should just draft Bender for his size, and recognize that his ceiling is far superior to Okafor's.

[celticsclay]

I think there's a good chance Okafor will be in play for the #3 pick if the Celts are willing to throw in some additional pieces e.g. another first round pick and a player with some proven ability, e.g. Bradley.

Dunn could make a lot of sense for the Sixers if Simmons is their guy.  His turnovers in college suggest he's not an ideal choice to be the main guy running an offense, but playing off a guy like Simmons as the secondary creator could be a good role for him.

Good lord no!!

#3 for Okafor is iffy enough, but I can grow to accept it.  #3 and Bradley?!?! Not in a million years.  No way I would give up one of the 2 or 3 best shooters on this team (which is desperate for more shooters) in order to take back a guy who has no offence outside of 10 feet.

Yah.  I'm not opposed to trading for Okafor, but I don't like that particular trade at all, for that very specific reason.

Yea I know that Pho likes Okafor but this is a bit ridiculous. Avery is 25 years old, has developed a decent shooting stroke and is widely recognized as one of the better perimeter defenders in the NBA. Including him, the 3rd pick AND an additional first round pick would be a terrible overpay that would really hurt us short term  with the potential to really haunt us in the long term.

[celticsclay]

I'm definitely down to trade for Okafor, but like it's been said on this thread.....anything beyond #3 and a late 1st or a couple 2nd's just isn't worth it.

Including Bradley who is a starter/6th man on most teams is insane. What he does best far surpasses anything Okafor currently brings to the table.

Point is, if it costs that much, we should just draft Bender for his size, and recognize that his ceiling is far superior to Okafor's.

Avery would start on Cleveland (his defense is so vastly superior to Jr Smith that it would more than offset Smith's occasional bursts from 3 point land). Avery would start on OKC he is a superior shooter and defender to Roberson. He would really help them. Avery would probably be the first guard off the bench for Golden State (at worst next year). If you look around the league he would start and make a difference on very many teams, including some of the best ones in the NBA (he also would start over green fwiw on the spurs). To just throw him in like he is nothing is really undervaluing him.

[Geo123]

I think there's a good chance Okafor will be in play for the #3 pick if the Celts are willing to throw in some additional pieces e.g. another first round pick and a player with some proven ability, e.g. Bradley.

Dunn could make a lot of sense for the Sixers if Simmons is their guy.  His turnovers in college suggest he's not an ideal choice to be the main guy running an offense, but playing off a guy like Simmons as the secondary creator could be a good role for him.

Good lord no!!

#3 for Okafor is iffy enough, but I can grow to accept it.  #3 and Bradley?!?! Not in a million years.  No way I would give up one of the 2 or 3 best shooters on this team (which is desperate for more shooters) in order to take back a guy who has no offence outside of 10 feet.

The #3 pick in a weaker draft than last year is iffy? Come on guys.  He's a 6'11 275 pound center who averaged 17.5 and 7, shot over 50% and averaged over a block a game.   Plus he's still only 20! Look I wouldn't give up Bradley plus the #3, but the #3 plus something/someone else is about right IMO.   You get a dominate post presence who's young and will only get better...

[PhoSita]

I think there's a good chance Okafor will be in play for the #3 pick if the Celts are willing to throw in some additional pieces e.g. another first round pick and a player with some proven ability, e.g. Bradley.

Dunn could make a lot of sense for the Sixers if Simmons is their guy.  His turnovers in college suggest he's not an ideal choice to be the main guy running an offense, but playing off a guy like Simmons as the secondary creator could be a good role for him.

Good lord no!!

#3 for Okafor is iffy enough, but I can grow to accept it.  #3 and Bradley?!?! Not in a million years.  No way I would give up one of the 2 or 3 best shooters on this team (which is desperate for more shooters) in order to take back a guy who has no offence outside of 10 feet.

Yah.  I'm not opposed to trading for Okafor, but I don't like that particular trade at all, for that very specific reason.

Yea I know that Pho likes Okafor but this is a bit ridiculous. Avery is 25 years old, has developed a decent shooting stroke and is widely recognized as one of the better perimeter defenders in the NBA. Including him, the 3rd pick AND an additional first round pick would be a terrible overpay that would really hurt us short term  with the potential to really haunt us in the long term.

Avery is fine.

Fine.

But that's all he is.  And he's redundant on this team.  Yes, he's one of the better shooters on the team, but that the team relies on him as much as it does is a significant issue.

I'm 100% OK with including Avery in a trade if it provides the Celts a significant talent upgrade.  They can start Smart in his spot or sign / trade for a decent outside shooter with the size to cover bigger 2s and switch onto 3s  -- e.g. Afflalo, Henderson, etc.


But perhaps I'm higher on Okafor than you guys.  I've been open about the fact that I'm not hung up on acquiring a guy who fits the Tyson Chandler protoype of 4-out centers, which seems to be the prevailing opinion around here.

[celticsclay]

I think there's a good chance Okafor will be in play for the #3 pick if the Celts are willing to throw in some additional pieces e.g. another first round pick and a player with some proven ability, e.g. Bradley.

Dunn could make a lot of sense for the Sixers if Simmons is their guy.  His turnovers in college suggest he's not an ideal choice to be the main guy running an offense, but playing off a guy like Simmons as the secondary creator could be a good role for him.

Good lord no!!

#3 for Okafor is iffy enough, but I can grow to accept it.  #3 and Bradley?!?! Not in a million years.  No way I would give up one of the 2 or 3 best shooters on this team (which is desperate for more shooters) in order to take back a guy who has no offence outside of 10 feet.

Yah.  I'm not opposed to trading for Okafor, but I don't like that particular trade at all, for that very specific reason.

Yea I know that Pho likes Okafor but this is a bit ridiculous. Avery is 25 years old, has developed a decent shooting stroke and is widely recognized as one of the better perimeter defenders in the NBA. Including him, the 3rd pick AND an additional first round pick would be a terrible overpay that would really hurt us short term  with the potential to really haunt us in the long term.

Avery is fine.

Fine.

But that's all he is.  And he's redundant on this team.  Yes, he's one of the better shooters on the team, but that the team relies on him as much as it does is a significant issue.

I'm 100% OK with including Avery in a trade if it provides the Celts a significant talent upgrade.  They can start Smart in his spot or sign / trade for a decent outside shooter with the size to cover bigger 2s and switch onto 3s  -- e.g. Afflalo, Henderson, etc.


But perhaps I'm higher on Okafor than you guys.  I've been open about the fact that I'm not hung up on acquiring a guy who fits the Tyson Chandler protoype of 4-out centers, which seems to be the prevailing opinion around here.

The "Fine" label can be a bit confusing. Do you disagree he is an above average starter or that he would clearly start on 3 of the top 5 teams in the league (Cleveland, OKC and Spurs) and make a significant difference? He is also 25 and on under contract for 2 more years at an average of 8.5 million. This is a significant asset and having someone like him under contract allows the team flexibility for the next two years to pay more at the positions we need like Center and Power Forward (make no mistake he would get paid 14 million on the open market). I agree if we are getting a cousins or buter or a proven star it is a no brainer to include them. However, very few put Okafor in that category right now.

I also really don't get why anyone would think it was fair to include both an additional first rounder and an above average young starter on a nice contract plus the 3rd pick in this draft for the 3rd pick in last years draft. Okafor was ranked at best 4th in most end of season rankings (with some like Pelton and Hollinger ranking him 7th or 8th in the class). I really don't get where we are seeing this huge bump in value from him from one year of play that warrants both an additional first and a starter. What is the explanation for that?

[PhoSita]

I think Okafor is a markedly better bet to be a top scoring option and All Star caliber player than anybody likely to be available at three in this draft.

Avery is a nice player, but I think in an ideal world he doesn't start next to Isaiah Thomas, and Isaiah is our best player. I want a bigger guy who can cover more positions and do a bit more ball handling. All of which is to say, while I like Avery fine in a vacuum, I respect what he's done to improve himself and serve as a leader for the team, and I think he'd have a role in virtually any roster, he's expendable for the Celts.

Yes, trading him to acquire a talent upgrade like Okafor could create additional challenges eg replacing his shooting, which is already scarce on the Celts. But I think this roster needs some pretty significant overhaul anyway, so I don't look at the move on its own like that. Bottom line we need to add talent and offensive balance. I'm more than willing to sacrifice Avery to do that.

[TheSundanceKid]

I think there's a good chance Okafor will be in play for the #3 pick if the Celts are willing to throw in some additional pieces e.g. another first round pick and a player with some proven ability, e.g. Bradley.

Dunn could make a lot of sense for the Sixers if Simmons is their guy.  His turnovers in college suggest he's not an ideal choice to be the main guy running an offense, but playing off a guy like Simmons as the secondary creator could be a good role for him.

I'll come to your support here. #3 alone isn't enough. Philly will demand more. I don't think it would need Bradley but certainly more. Perhaps Rozier and another pick. But for #3 alone Philly don't do it

[Hank Finkel]

I think there's a good chance Okafor will be in play for the #3 pick if the Celts are willing to throw in some additional pieces e.g. another first round pick and a player with some proven ability, e.g. Bradley.

Dunn could make a lot of sense for the Sixers if Simmons is their guy.  His turnovers in college suggest he's not an ideal choice to be the main guy running an offense, but playing off a guy like Simmons as the secondary creator could be a good role for him.

I'll come to your support here. #3 alone isn't enough. Philly will demand more. I don't think it would need Bradley but certainly more. Perhaps Rozier and another pick. But for #3 alone Philly don't do it

I would try to hold on to Rozier and send them Hunter in a trade especially if they are going to draft their point guard of the future.  But I would give up either one or both if the C's could get a big that is worth his weight.  Right now we have middle of the road big talent at best.  It needs upgrading now.  Guards don't win NBA titles, you need very good big men except if your name is Jordan.

[MBunge]

Philly will demand more.

Philly can demand whatever they want.  They can even threaten to hold their breath until they turn blue.  It doesn't mean Ainge has to give them whatever they want.

Mike

[ssspence]

I think there's a good chance Okafor will be in play for the #3 pick if the Celts are willing to throw in some additional pieces e.g. another first round pick and a player with some proven ability, e.g. Bradley.

The #3 pick in the draft, plus another 1st, plus Bradley.... for Okafor? Talk about poor value. You really think this draft is that bad, or do you just have a spiraling crush on the player?

In other words, what did JO do as a rookie to justify being traded for the same caliber pick that was used on him, plus two other premium assets? He put up good offensive numbers on a bad team with very high usage, played poor defense, and got into trouble off the court. Pretty much exactly what was expected of him.

Meanwhile, again as predicted by most, he did so in a style at his position most teams now eschew for more mobile, versatile bigs... or better yet versatile scoring guards, of which there are some appealing ones at #3, which is why they'd want to trade for that pick in the first place.

This is not to mention Philly's leverage bites. Every GM in the league knows they need to trade the player.

Lemme ask you this: would you trade #3, #16, and Bradley for 2011 Al Jefferson? Because that's what you'd be doing. And that's not exactly where the league's at these days....

[Celtics4ever]

Getting Okafor makes sense if we can sign another scorer.   He will help with scoring but I think we need to sign a guy who can catch and shoot on the wing with him better than what we have.   Bazemore would fit that build as would Beal.

[aingeforthree]

I think there's a good chance Okafor will be in play for the #3 pick if the Celts are willing to throw in some additional pieces e.g. another first round pick and a player with some proven ability, e.g. Bradley.

Dunn could make a lot of sense for the Sixers if Simmons is their guy.  His turnovers in college suggest he's not an ideal choice to be the main guy running an offense, but playing off a guy like Simmons as the secondary creator could be a good role for him.

Huh ?

Straight up for Okafor is fair. For both sides.  If anything, Ainge could throw in #58 or #51, but that's about it.

But another first round pick on top of #3 ?  That isn't fair value and Ainge wouldn't do that.