Who do you want at #16?

[jambr380]

Maker, for sure. I love his attitude, athleticism, length, and skill set. He is going to will his way into being a very effective player. Maker doesn't suck.

I love his attutude, athleticism and length, too. But his skill set?

At this point I do think Maker is a 1st round prospect, and he'd be a defensible selection at #22. Guys with his physical gifts often just need time to figure it out. But right now, Maker is very bad at basketball, so I can't get too excited about him at #16.

this is why it'd be wise to wait until the second round to grab him.  Maybe someone like Cle or GSW considers him as an acceptable person to give a guaranteed deal to with the time to wait for him to pan out but I think the C's would do well to gamble that he's there at 31.   Consider the heat James Young is taking for not developing in 2 years regardless of his age.  Maker could very well have a similar story line 2 years out.  would rather not commit guaranteed money to that type of player.

Maker can hit the mid-range jump shot and run the floor well. He also said this:

What kind of player will you be 3-5 years from now?

I see myself more like KG on the blocks, but also being able to be used in multiple perimeter based actions. I see myself quarterbacking our defense and being a mismatch on offense.

For me, I also have to be talking about making a run at an NBA championship or going deep into the playoffs. I still remember the feeling of winning the 8th grade AAU Nationals with DunkDog, winning the State Championship with Carlisle high school, and winning the OSBA Canadian Championship with AI Prep. Those were better than all the MVPs, rankings, or awards I've won. 3-5 years of doing what you love? How can't you be great.

I realize that words don't mean much, but you have to love his attitude. This guy will make an impact in the NBA; whether or not it is a huge impact remains to be seen, but you can't necessarily expect the world from #16.

[ashanm10]

I think Bender would be a decent look at #16

No way Bender slides so much lol...

[hwangjini_1]

Everyone is focused on the #3 slot, but I'm really excited about that Mavs pick too. Here's my ranking of viable 16th picks; it is likely that at least one of these guys (especially Zizic) will be available.

1. Furkan Korkmaz. Korkmaz is badly, badly underrated.  He's an elite shooter with no significant weaknesses on offense. He can shoot efficiently off the bounce and on the move (2014-2016: 72/168 from 3 in 1114 minutes). He has ideal height for a SG (6'7), NBA athleticism, excellent feel for the game, and good enough ballhandling + playmaking that he could play some minutes at PG in the future.

2. Ante Zizic. Zizic has been one of the most productive players in the Adriatic League, despite being just 19 years old. He has been a prolific and extremely efficient scorer, and he has also dominated the boards and collected a solid block rate. His production compares favorably with Nikola Jokic and Jusuf Nurkic, who have both managed to translate Adriatic league production into NBA success.

3. Deyonta Davis. While Davis probably won't last this long, he would be an awesome pick if he does. He's essentially a 6'10 version of Jordan Mickey.

4. Denzel Valentine. I actually like Valentine more than fellow senior Hield, as Valentine has elite feel for the game to go along with his outstanding shooting. This is demonstrated by Valentine's staggering 45.8AST% compared with only a 14.8TOV% (Hield: 12.7%, 14.0%).

these are all good choices at #16.

i suspect that zizic may be available at 23, so perhaps the celtics could go all international all the time and scoop up bender, korkmaz, and zizic. 

[loco_91]

Everyone is focused on the #3 slot, but I'm really excited about that Mavs pick too. Here's my ranking of viable 16th picks; it is likely that at least one of these guys (especially Zizic) will be available.

1. Furkan Korkmaz. Korkmaz is badly, badly underrated.  He's an elite shooter with no significant weaknesses on offense. He can shoot efficiently off the bounce and on the move (2014-2016: 72/168 from 3 in 1114 minutes). He has ideal height for a SG (6'7), NBA athleticism, excellent feel for the game, and good enough ballhandling + playmaking that he could play some minutes at PG in the future.

2. Ante Zizic. Zizic has been one of the most productive players in the Adriatic League, despite being just 19 years old. He has been a prolific and extremely efficient scorer, and he has also dominated the boards and collected a solid block rate. His production compares favorably with Nikola Jokic and Jusuf Nurkic, who have both managed to translate Adriatic league production into NBA success.

3. Deyonta Davis. While Davis probably won't last this long, he would be an awesome pick if he does. He's essentially a 6'10 version of Jordan Mickey.

4. Denzel Valentine. I actually like Valentine more than fellow senior Hield, as Valentine has elite feel for the game to go along with his outstanding shooting. This is demonstrated by Valentine's staggering 45.8AST% compared with only a 14.8TOV% (Hield: 12.7%, 14.0%).

not a bad selection of players.  my take:
1. Korkmaz -- interesting player but from what I've read, he'll need time to develop and may be better off as a draft and stash candidate for 1-2 years.  I don't think he'll be there at 16
2. Zizic - another player that sounds like a solid candidate however he seems like someone who'll still be there at 23.  would rather wait and use that pick on him
3. Davis - haven't read much about him other than he's tall and supposedly athletic.  seems like a decent pickup but ideally we'd get someone with either more upside or more offensively gifted.
4. Valentine - this is the pick that seems like one of the 2 best options.  according to everything I've read about him he's as versatile as Evan Turner but with a better shot.  Would be pretty happy if we got him but I think he'll be gone a few spots sooner.

5. Skal -- this is the general area I think he'll slide to and who I consider to be the other 'best' option possibly available at this point.  with #3 already in our pocket, I'd think this is a solid spot to take a riskier pick and Skal could be someone who pays off has a high reward player.  he's the guy that made this look like a 3-player deep draft before the college season started.
6. Maker - another high risk/high reward type of player but he's someone else I would anticipate being around at pick #23 if not still sitting there for picks 31 or even 35.  Would snag him with 31 if he's there. 

7. Luwawu - missed this kid in the options.  wouldn't be a bad pick up but will need time to develop.  intriguing prospect but behind Valentine and Skal for me.

I like Luwawu too. I've seen him mocked in the top 8-12 a lot, so he's likely to be gone. Not sure what makes him a less appealing prospect than Jaylen Brown. Same with Skal, but you never know who will slip.

[cltc5]

Maker.  When I first saw him he reminded me right away of kg and seems he's getting a lot of similar comparisons.  **** we took roZier last year at 16 and reached for ko at 13, might as well take a chance on this kid. I like luwawu too but hard to not grab a kg comparable 19 year old in an area of need. I'll be seriously p---ed And question how many more Celtics games I'm gonna wanna watch if ainge ****s up this draft and picks head scratching picks again.

[loco_91]

Bobby Portis... oh, wait

Lol, TP.

[Tr1boy]

Someone will drop and Danny will take him

Maybe skal

[PhoSita]

Deyonta Davis, Sabonis, luwawu, valentine, Prince, Korkmaz, Jones... One of those guys. I'm not partial.

[Quetzalcoatl]

Luwawu, Zizic, Korkmaz, Sabonis, Ellenson if he falls that far, and I'd be ok with Taurean Prince.  Zizic is probably a reach, but I like what I've seen from him.  Luwawu would be amazing.

[slamtheking]

Maker, for sure. I love his attitude, athleticism, length, and skill set. He is going to will his way into being a very effective player. Maker doesn't suck.

I love his attutude, athleticism and length, too. But his skill set?

At this point I do think Maker is a 1st round prospect, and he'd be a defensible selection at #22. Guys with his physical gifts often just need time to figure it out. But right now, Maker is very bad at basketball, so I can't get too excited about him at #16.

this is why it'd be wise to wait until the second round to grab him.  Maybe someone like Cle or GSW considers him as an acceptable person to give a guaranteed deal to with the time to wait for him to pan out but I think the C's would do well to gamble that he's there at 31.   Consider the heat James Young is taking for not developing in 2 years regardless of his age.  Maker could very well have a similar story line 2 years out.  would rather not commit guaranteed money to that type of player.

Maker can hit the mid-range jump shot and run the floor well. He also said this:

What kind of player will you be 3-5 years from now?

I see myself more like KG on the blocks, but also being able to be used in multiple perimeter based actions. I see myself quarterbacking our defense and being a mismatch on offense.

For me, I also have to be talking about making a run at an NBA championship or going deep into the playoffs. I still remember the feeling of winning the 8th grade AAU Nationals with DunkDog, winning the State Championship with Carlisle high school, and winning the OSBA Canadian Championship with AI Prep. Those were better than all the MVPs, rankings, or awards I've won. 3-5 years of doing what you love? How can't you be great.

I realize that words don't mean much, but you have to love his attitude. This guy will make an impact in the NBA; whether or not it is a huge impact remains to be seen, but you can't necessarily expect the world from #16.

If I was asked the same thing coming out of college I would have said I'm like Larry Bird except shorter and lacking a left-handed shot.  so, yeah, words don't mean much but a positive attitude is a good one to have.

[manl_lui]

Maker, for sure. I love his attitude, athleticism, length, and skill set. He is going to will his way into being a very effective player. Maker doesn't suck.

I love his attutude, athleticism and length, too. But his skill set?

At this point I do think Maker is a 1st round prospect, and he'd be a defensible selection at #22. Guys with his physical gifts often just need time to figure it out. But right now, Maker is very bad at basketball, so I can't get too excited about him at #16.

this is why it'd be wise to wait until the second round to grab him.  Maybe someone like Cle or GSW considers him as an acceptable person to give a guaranteed deal to with the time to wait for him to pan out but I think the C's would do well to gamble that he's there at 31.   Consider the heat James Young is taking for not developing in 2 years regardless of his age.  Maker could very well have a similar story line 2 years out.  would rather not commit guaranteed money to that type of player.

Maker can hit the mid-range jump shot and run the floor well. He also said this:

What kind of player will you be 3-5 years from now?

I see myself more like KG on the blocks, but also being able to be used in multiple perimeter based actions. I see myself quarterbacking our defense and being a mismatch on offense.

For me, I also have to be talking about making a run at an NBA championship or going deep into the playoffs. I still remember the feeling of winning the 8th grade AAU Nationals with DunkDog, winning the State Championship with Carlisle high school, and winning the OSBA Canadian Championship with AI Prep. Those were better than all the MVPs, rankings, or awards I've won. 3-5 years of doing what you love? How can't you be great.

I realize that words don't mean much, but you have to love his attitude. This guy will make an impact in the NBA; whether or not it is a huge impact remains to be seen, but you can't necessarily expect the world from #16.

If I was asked the same thing coming out of college I would have said I'm like Larry Bird except shorter and lacking a left-handed shot.  so, yeah, words don't mean much but a positive attitude is a good one to have.

I don't think many teenagers or college players answer those questions that maturely. I remember there was an interview the Bulls did when they were deciding between Rose and Beasley...I forgot about the question but essentially the two answers were very different in terms of maturity.

[slamtheking]

Maker, for sure. I love his attitude, athleticism, length, and skill set. He is going to will his way into being a very effective player. Maker doesn't suck.

I love his attutude, athleticism and length, too. But his skill set?

At this point I do think Maker is a 1st round prospect, and he'd be a defensible selection at #22. Guys with his physical gifts often just need time to figure it out. But right now, Maker is very bad at basketball, so I can't get too excited about him at #16.

this is why it'd be wise to wait until the second round to grab him.  Maybe someone like Cle or GSW considers him as an acceptable person to give a guaranteed deal to with the time to wait for him to pan out but I think the C's would do well to gamble that he's there at 31.   Consider the heat James Young is taking for not developing in 2 years regardless of his age.  Maker could very well have a similar story line 2 years out.  would rather not commit guaranteed money to that type of player.

Maker can hit the mid-range jump shot and run the floor well. He also said this:

What kind of player will you be 3-5 years from now?

I see myself more like KG on the blocks, but also being able to be used in multiple perimeter based actions. I see myself quarterbacking our defense and being a mismatch on offense.

For me, I also have to be talking about making a run at an NBA championship or going deep into the playoffs. I still remember the feeling of winning the 8th grade AAU Nationals with DunkDog, winning the State Championship with Carlisle high school, and winning the OSBA Canadian Championship with AI Prep. Those were better than all the MVPs, rankings, or awards I've won. 3-5 years of doing what you love? How can't you be great.

I realize that words don't mean much, but you have to love his attitude. This guy will make an impact in the NBA; whether or not it is a huge impact remains to be seen, but you can't necessarily expect the world from #16.

If I was asked the same thing coming out of college I would have said I'm like Larry Bird except shorter and lacking a left-handed shot.  so, yeah, words don't mean much but a positive attitude is a good one to have.

I don't think many teenagers or college players answer those questions that maturely. I remember there was an interview the Bulls did when they were deciding between Rose and Beasley...I forgot about the question but essentially the two answers were very different in terms of maturity.

hindsight being 20/20, that doesn't surprise me with those 2.

[Csfan1984]

I want to trade up via 16 and 23. Or at least 16 +31. Just go get that next guy that team really likes. So you come out with two high level prospects. Then again try the same thing in second round 45 and 51 for a pick in the mid 30s.

Murray and Lab
Bender and Korkmaz
Heild and Chriss
Brown and Sabonis

Whoever the C's think are bpa the goal should be to move up some and burn a few picks getting the guys they feel great about. And not just guys the C's say they feel great about.

[hwangjini_1]

I want to trade up via 16 and 23. Or at least 16 +31. Just go get that next guy that team really likes. So you come out with two high level prospects. Then again try the same thing in second round 45 and 51 for a pick in the mid 30s.

Murray and Lab
Bender and Korkmaz
Heild and Chriss
Brown and Sabonis

Whoever the C's think are bpa the goal should be to move up some and burn a few picks getting the guys they feel great about. And not just guys the C's say they feel great about.

well, the celtics did manage to move up a few spots to get olly. i think they could realistically move up to the 11 to 12 range in the draft.

[SHAQATTACK]

I'm easy

I ll take anybody.

Cause I know squat about any of the guys after the first two picks