Isn't Bender the type of big man we want?

[Snakehead]

You telling me Bender's stats in 8 minutes a game is about as worthless as you telling me KG never made a 3 in college.

Except I didn't even tell you that you told that to yourself haha.  Both are worthless things to say.

[rondohondo]

I'm saying KG played 0 minutes in college.  You telling me benders stats in 8 minutes a game is about close to that.

Yeah KG averaged good numbers in high school   He was playing a lot of minutes too.  So those stats are relative.

He's not KG.  The comparison you are making is worthless.

I'm saying we don't know hardly anything about Bender.  You are spending a lot of words talking about a guy you don't know much about.  Sorry.  That's it.

Yea KG had elite athleticism and hops . I still think Bender can be very good , but I don't see a 1st ballot HOF. I see maybe a poor mans dirk on offense with better passing and defense .

[walker834]

I more mean in their roles. We've wanted KO to be that but Bender is more talented imo.

He shot 25% from three so he has a lot of work to do to prove that.  I don't know enough about his passing or ball handling but both need to be really strong as well to match KO.

I get the general idea about this thread btw.  You're saying "hey he's a stretch big" and you may be right but he hasn't actually proven he is there as a shooter and also I think it's really hard to say how good he is.  I hope workouts help.

You said Bender shot 25 percent from 3 and has a lot of work in other areas to match KO.  My comparison was not worthless. I was not comparing Bender to KG either.  I was using that as an analogy to prove how absurd you using his stats were.  It wasn't a useless comparison.  The fact you didn't understand it says a lot though.

[Snakehead]

I'm saying KG played 0 minutes in college.  You telling me benders stats in 8 minutes a game is about close to that.

Yeah KG averaged good numbers in high school   He was playing a lot of minutes too.  So those stats are relative.

He's not KG.  The comparison you are making is worthless.

I'm saying we don't know hardly anything about Bender.  You are spending a lot of words talking about a guy you don't know much about.  Sorry.  That's it.

Yea KG had elite athleticism and hops . I still think Bender can be very good , but I don't see a 1st ballot HOF. I see maybe a poor mans dirk on offense with better passing and defense .

I really hope Bender looks great in workouts.  I hope he's athletic and can shoot and skilled and we feel great about him at 3.  I just think anyone on this board going on about him is really not basing it on that much.  It's really tough to tell how good he is, and that's not even necessarily his fault at all.  That's why I am always weary of European young big men.  They often get buried on the bench and the game there is so different it can be tough to tell much about them.

It wasn't a useless comparison.  The fact you didn't understand it says a lot though.

Please tell me what it says a lot about then?

[walker834]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/euro/players/dragan-bender-1.html

Bender's europe stats.  he played in 7 total games totally 74 minutes.  He averaged 2 ppg and 25 percent from 3.  Those stats are absolutely meaningless is what I'm saying. It's like you telling me KG averaged 0 points in college when he didn't even play.

Yeah Kg's highschool stats were good. He also played. I'm not comparing them as players. I'm just saying Benders stats are utterly meaningless in Europe.

[PaulP34]

We're not drafting Dragon Bender. Get off that fantasy. The kid is no better then KO. If Danny keeps the pick he's gonna draft Buddy Heild. I think he trades out for a proven big. Bender is no more then a 6-8 pick. I can't wait for him to come in for workouts just to shut the Bender lovers up already. We r not drafting him

[Snakehead]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/euro/players/dragan-bender-1.html

Bender's europe stats.  he played in 7 total games totally 74 minutes.  He averaged 2 ppg and 25 percent from 3.  Those stats are absolutely meaningless is what I'm saying. It's like you telling me KG averaged 0 points in college when he didn't even play.

Except Bender actually played so no it's not the same.

I'm done with this though because you are stuck on a point that I can't even begin to understand why you are hung up on it or what sense it is supposed to make.

If you're saying stats are meaningless in Europe, then you better have some great other reasons to draft him over other guys who produced and have a lot going for them as prospects.  Just saying "Oh he's a shooter though, disregard the stats" isn't anything of value.

[walker834]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/euro/players/dragan-bender-1.html

Bender's europe stats.  he played in 7 total games totally 74 minutes.  He averaged 2 ppg and 25 percent from 3.  Those stats are absolutely meaningless is what I'm saying. It's like you telling me KG averaged 0 points in college when he didn't even play.

Except Bender actually played so no it's not the same.

I'm done with this though because you are stuck on a point that I can't even begin to understand why you are hung up on it or what sense it is supposed to make.

I'm more amazed you are actually arguing that.

[walker834]

kg's highschool stats are relative. There's a good sample size there.  I think anyone judging Bender by his stats in europe is absurd.

And I'm not comparing the two players again. I was using that as an analogy.

[walker834]

bender played a total of 74 mintues in Europe do you really think there is a good sample size there if we average it out over 36 mpg we are going to get a realistic ceiling for him? lol...

you said he shot 25 percent from 3 and therefore he has to outplay KO in other areas to match him. 

Dude he played 74 minutes total over there!

[Snakehead]

kg's highschool stats are relative. There's a good sample size there. I think anyone judging Bender by his stats in europe is absurd.

All I have said here is the same goes for you saying "we should draft him and he is a stretch big" and you have not been able to understand that for about 15 posts now.

[walker834]

That's about an hour and 15 minutes of basketball he played in Europe.  Yeah lets average that out and those stats are really how we should judge him over what he is going to be his entire nba career.

It was 7 games. They knew he was going to the nba.

[walker834]

I'm looking at these players talent level anyways.  Stats are somewhat meaningless. They give you some idea but not really.

Some players play well in college. Others don't. Curry had a huge college year.  Paul George didn't. It's all relative. Most euros don't have stats over there. Some do.  I think Kukoc was a star over there first but a lot of them don't.

Other guys are stars over there and in college and don't amount to anything in the pros.

[PaulP34]

You know why I haven't started a new topic about who I think would help change this franchise ? Because the pick is being shopped. Bender is gonna end up with the Suns because Philly wants Dunn and the Celtics want Okeafor. That's pretty much what's going to happen. If you asked me what I would do, I'd draft Buddy Heild and trade Marcus Smart for a PF. But that's not gonna happen either because our bigs SUCK and Horford is staying in Atlanta and Dwight Howard is no better then Shaq was when he came here. We are not getting Butler, we are not getting Cousins n the only possible way we'd get Paul George is to trade all the Brooklyn picks. Not happening.

[walker834]

Okafor is a good talent.  Love is the best offensive big man right now.  Okafor probably future wise as far as interior bigs. Him or cousins.   

I asked this question for that reason though.  Bender has a good skill set for a modern NBA big.  We have KO who is similar. I think bender could be the real deal there though.  I like KO too. He isn't a shot blocker though.