Does anyone else think the #3 for okafor is completely unrealistic?

[Evantime34]

How much better is Okafor than any of the big men projected to go after Tier Three (Hield/Murray/Brown/etc.) of this coming draft?

Just wondering if Ainge could approximate Okafor's offensive/defensive potential by moving up from #16, instead of spending #3 (and more).

In terms of value, I think Okafor would be mentioned with Ingram and Simmons had he come out this year. Comparing him with a tier 4 big is under valuing him imo.

[Celtics18]

I even hear radio and tv guys talking about this possibility. It just sounds crazy for Philly. They will get way better offers.

Straight up? Probably unrealistic.

Okafor was a #3 who has shown himself to be a legitimate NBA player. Who would the Sixers be able to get at #3 that would have more value than that?

Yeah I mean... if the Celtics keep the pick and select a guard, there's a decent chance the kid spends a lot of time in D-League given that we're already pretty good on guards.   So then the question is... can the guy put up better stats in D-League than Okafor put up for the 76ers last season?  17.5 points, 7 rebounds, 1.5 blocks with 51% shooting is nothing to sneeze at.

I find your hypocritical comments so incredibly amusing sometimes.

When Philly selects a center - Okafor - at #3, you couldn't stop gushing about how great and productive he was going to be.  You didn't seem phased at all that Philly already had Embiid and Noel at the center spot.

But when Boston selects a guard at #3, apparently having Smart and Bradley is enough to bury that #3 pick in the D-League?
 

First of all... the comment that I "couldn't stop gushing about how great and productive Okafor was going to be" is an entire fabrication.  When did I do that? 

Regardless, he had an EFF of 16.6 this season in 30mpg... which puts him in the top 5 of rookies over the past half decade.  So he actually was pretty freakin productive.

Second, Rozier might actually be a decent player.  I wrote a post in defense of Rozier in a forum post here raving about Devin Booker.  Devin Booker was taken a few picks higher and might indeed be better than Rozier, but Devin Booker wouldnt' have gotten the same opportunity here in Boston.  The Celtics have a pretty decent set of guards already.  Booker would have had to immediately impressed with a tiny opportunity to have remained seeing minutes.  Rozier spent almost all of his time in D-League until injuries cleared out a path for minutes.   

Boston has a need for quality bigs, though.  Okafor would have gotten minutes here pretty quickly, because they are starved for size.  He obviously got minutes in Philly, because it was a depleated roster by design almost entirely composed of undrafted amateurs. 

So yeah, if Boston drafts another guard and he doesn't come out of the gate as a world-beater, he might very well find himself spending time in D-League.  So yes, the question then becomes, will the guard put up better stats for the Maine Red Claws than Okafor put up for Philly last season?

No.  If we draft a guard (Murray, Hield, Dunn) with the third pick, I will virtually guarantee that Brad and Danny will find significant minutes for him with the big squad.

You don't place a number three pick in the draft in the D league for his rookie season.  Is this something that's happened before?  I'd like to know what the precedence is for this.

[Lucky17]

How much better is Okafor than any of the big men projected to go after Tier Three (Hield/Murray/Brown/etc.) of this coming draft?

Just wondering if Ainge could approximate Okafor's offensive/defensive potential by moving up from #16, instead of spending #3 (and more).

In terms of value, I think Okafor would be mentioned with Ingram and Simmons had he come out this year. Comparing him with a tier 4 big is under valuing him imo.

Sure.

But I'm wondering: if Okafor will cost the #3 and then some (Bradley? Smart? Rozier? additional picks? some combination thereof?), would it be better to keep the #3 and try to get a poor man's Okafor in Sabonis or Ellenson at a much lesser cost?

I know Poeltl isn't as gifted offensively, but if Ainge could keep the #3 and grab him, would that be preferable to cashing in the #3 and more for Okafor?

[Evantime34]

How much better is Okafor than any of the big men projected to go after Tier Three (Hield/Murray/Brown/etc.) of this coming draft?

Just wondering if Ainge could approximate Okafor's offensive/defensive potential by moving up from #16, instead of spending #3 (and more).

In terms of value, I think Okafor would be mentioned with Ingram and Simmons had he come out this year. Comparing him with a tier 4 big is under valuing him imo.

Sure.

But I'm wondering: if Okafor will cost the #3 and then some (Bradley? Smart? Rozier? additional picks? some combination thereof?), would it be better to keep the #3 and try to get a poor man's Okafor in Sabonis or Ellenson at a much lesser cost?

I know Poeltl isn't as gifted offensively, but if Ainge could keep the #3 and grab him, would that be preferable to cashing in the #3 and more for Okafor?

My bad, I misunderstood your previous post.

We are in agreement that if it took more than just 3 to get Okafor, Danny would be better served drafting someone at 3 then trying to consolidate picks and move up for a big.

[Ilikesports17]

You guys are funny. Okafor put up decent numbers on a historically awful team that had nobody else who could score. He also played poor defense, got in trouble off the court repeatedly, and had an overall poor attitude. He was not in the running for rookie of the year in his own draft class.

On top of it, the Sixers have Noel, Embiid, Okafor, and Saric all playing next season. All big men. They are starting for a PG. Are we supposed to seriously think they wouldn't jump at the chance to trade Okafor for #3 and draft Dunn? They would LOVE to do so. I can see the Celtics doing much better with the #3 pick though. I would be honestly disappointed if we trade it for Okafor. He doesnt fit our team or the modern NBA game, and doesnt provide a defensive presence inside either.

Okafor still looks like a future all-star to me.  He certainly put up rookie numbers reflecting a player who will develop into an all-star.   Is Dunn a future all-star?  I'm asking this legitimately as someone who doesn't follow College ball.  Does Dunn have any hope of developing into an all-star?  Because I see that at Okafor's age, Dunn was averaging 3.8 points, 5 assists, 2.5 rebounds, 1.8 steals with 31% shooting on the College level.  Is that more impressive than Okafor putting up per-36 numbers of  21 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1.4 blocks with 51% shooting as a 20 year old rookie on the NBA level? 

Worst-case scenario, Okafor is Al Jefferson.  What's Dunn's worst-case scenario?

Thing is, there's a chance a month from now we'll have more insight into this draft and realize there's a Porzingus type rising up unexpectedly.  That's possible.  You might even see SImmons or Ingram fall out of the Top 2 (as did with Okafor last season).   So maybe there's a future star that will be available.  Maybe that's 22 year old Kris Dunn.

But there's also a chance Okafor will be better than every single player in this draft.  And he's already shown rare NBA skills that will make him desirable to many teams if Philly decides to move him.  All I'm saying is, if I'm running Philly, I wouldn't bother trading a guaranteed blue chip like him for a scratch ticket unless I was REALLY sure about this draft.  I'd instead look at moving him for an established young player that I've seen play in the NBA already.   That's why I threw out the Suns as a team.  They have Bledsoe and Knight at PG already (as well as Devin Booker at SG) and they have the 4th pick in a guard-heavy 3-8 range.  Seems to me, trading Knight or Bledsoe for Okafor would make some sense for both teams.  Suns could use an elite big man prospect.  Philly could use a decent guard that they know can perform on the NBA level.

FWIW, I went to a Suns forum and questioned if they'd target one of Philly's bigs.  Apparently a bunch of them were already in favor of doing that and brought up an interesting point I hadn't considered... Colangelo has a good relationship with the Suns.  Two Suns fans even suggested they'd be willing to trade Brandon Knight AND the #4 pick for Okafor. 

Also interesting is that a couple of the Suns fans suggested they should trade Brandon Knight for Dario Saric.   I guess they aren't that high on Brandon Knight.  That surprises me a bit, because if Philly decides to start dumping bigs, I'd expect them to target an established player like Brandon Knight over a crapshoot draft pick.  Knight is only 24 years old and averaged 20 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds and 1.2 steals last season.   Stuff like this is why I continue to think Philly is one of the most fascinating teams this Summer.

So take that for what it's worth.

Suns would never make that offer. I won't believe it until you have an actual source instead of some Suns Fan forum board. Like seriously, who cares what fans are willing to offer.

Exactly.  It goes ways.  I put as much stock into what the Suns fans are willing to offer for Okafor as I do the fans here.

For all we know, Boston would be willing to trade Marcus Smart and #3 for Okafor and feel like they robbed Philly.  For all we know, Philly is going to trade Okafor for Jimmy Butler.   We're all just trying to guess.

I went over to the Suns blog pretty briefly, but the trade suggestions I saw were as follows.

Warren + 4 to Philly for #1
4 + Warren + Knight for #1 +Saric + future 1st
also

Option 1: Phoenix receives Jahlil Okafor. Philadelphia receives Brandon Knight.

Option 2: Phoenix receives Jahlil Okafor and the Lakers 2017 First Round Draft Pick. Philadelphia receives Eric Bledsoe.

Option 1: Phoenix receives Boston's 2016 First Round Draft Pick. Boston receives Phoenix's 2016 First Round Draft Pick and Tyson Chandler.
Option 2: Phoenix receives Boston's 2016 First Round Draft Pick. Boston receives Brandon Knight and Tyson Chandler.

Those are the first 6 trade Ideas I saw.
Seem to have a much different tenor than the ones you saw.

Ultimately I think a Philly-Phoenix move makes a lot of sense.

Maybe something like Okafor + Saric for #4 and Knight could make sense.

Then Philly could take Murray or Hield and have Knight Heild Covington Simmons Noel... not bad
Phoenix would roll out Bledsoe Booker Warren Saric Okafor

[Lucky17]

Warren and the #4 for the #1 pick?

Nice to see other fans completely overvaluing their own players.

[celticsclay]

You guys are funny. Okafor put up decent numbers on a historically awful team that had nobody else who could score. He also played poor defense, got in trouble off the court repeatedly, and had an overall poor attitude. He was not in the running for rookie of the year in his own draft class.

On top of it, the Sixers have Noel, Embiid, Okafor, and Saric all playing next season. All big men. They are starting for a PG. Are we supposed to seriously think they wouldn't jump at the chance to trade Okafor for #3 and draft Dunn? They would LOVE to do so. I can see the Celtics doing much better with the #3 pick though. I would be honestly disappointed if we trade it for Okafor. He doesnt fit our team or the modern NBA game, and doesnt provide a defensive presence inside either.

Okafor still looks like a future all-star to me.  He certainly put up rookie numbers reflecting a player who will develop into an all-star.   Is Dunn a future all-star?  I'm asking this legitimately as someone who doesn't follow College ball.  Does Dunn have any hope of developing into an all-star?  Because I see that at Okafor's age, Dunn was averaging 3.8 points, 5 assists, 2.5 rebounds, 1.8 steals with 31% shooting on the College level.  Is that more impressive than Okafor putting up per-36 numbers of  21 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1.4 blocks with 51% shooting as a 20 year old rookie on the NBA level? 

Worst-case scenario, Okafor is Al Jefferson.  What's Dunn's worst-case scenario?

Thing is, there's a chance a month from now we'll have more insight into this draft and realize there's a Porzingus type rising up unexpectedly.  That's possible.  You might even see SImmons or Ingram fall out of the Top 2 (as did with Okafor last season).   So maybe there's a future star that will be available.  Maybe that's 22 year old Kris Dunn.

But there's also a chance Okafor will be better than every single player in this draft.  And he's already shown rare NBA skills that will make him desirable to many teams if Philly decides to move him.  All I'm saying is, if I'm running Philly, I wouldn't bother trading a guaranteed blue chip like him for a scratch ticket unless I was REALLY sure about this draft.  I'd instead look at moving him for an established young player that I've seen play in the NBA already.   That's why I threw out the Suns as a team.  They have Bledsoe and Knight at PG already (as well as Devin Booker at SG) and they have the 4th pick in a guard-heavy 3-8 range.  Seems to me, trading Knight or Bledsoe for Okafor would make some sense for both teams.  Suns could use an elite big man prospect.  Philly could use a decent guard that they know can perform on the NBA level.

FWIW, I went to a Suns forum and questioned if they'd target one of Philly's bigs.  Apparently a bunch of them were already in favor of doing that and brought up an interesting point I hadn't considered... Colangelo has a good relationship with the Suns.  Two Suns fans even suggested they'd be willing to trade Brandon Knight AND the #4 pick for Okafor. 

Also interesting is that a couple of the Suns fans suggested they should trade Brandon Knight for Dario Saric.   I guess they aren't that high on Brandon Knight.  That surprises me a bit, because if Philly decides to start dumping bigs, I'd expect them to target an established player like Brandon Knight over a crapshoot draft pick.  Knight is only 24 years old and averaged 20 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds and 1.2 steals last season.   Stuff like this is why I continue to think Philly is one of the most fascinating teams this Summer.

So take that for what it's worth.

Suns would never make that offer. I won't believe it until you have an actual source instead of some Suns Fan forum board. Like seriously, who cares what fans are willing to offer.

Exactly.  It goes ways.  I put as much stock into what the Suns fans are willing to offer for Okafor as I do the fans here.

For all we know, Boston would be willing to trade Marcus Smart and #3 for Okafor and feel like they robbed Philly.  For all we know, Philly is going to trade Okafor for Jimmy Butler.   We're all just trying to guess.

I went over to the Suns blog pretty briefly, but the trade suggestions I saw were as follows.

Warren + 4 to Philly for #1
4 + Warren + Knight for #1 +Saric + future 1st
also

Option 1: Phoenix receives Jahlil Okafor. Philadelphia receives Brandon Knight.

Option 2: Phoenix receives Jahlil Okafor and the Lakers 2017 First Round Draft Pick. Philadelphia receives Eric Bledsoe.

Option 1: Phoenix receives Boston's 2016 First Round Draft Pick. Boston receives Phoenix's 2016 First Round Draft Pick and Tyson Chandler.
Option 2: Phoenix receives Boston's 2016 First Round Draft Pick. Boston receives Brandon Knight and Tyson Chandler.

Those are the first 6 trade Ideas I saw.
Seem to have a much different tenor than the ones you saw.

Ultimately I think a Philly-Phoenix move makes a lot of sense.

Maybe something like Okafor + Saric for #4 and Knight could make sense.

Then Philly could take Murray or Hield and have Knight Heild Covington Simmons Noel... not bad
Phoenix would roll out Bledsoe Booker Warren Saric Okafor

I just want to point out if we start throwing in what other forums are discussing as potential hypothetical trades based on no actually rumors or information from the front office this is going to make the board really messy and crappy. Our own hypothetical trades are more than enough.
Can you imagine if someone on this board last year was running around saying the Celtics want to use a mid first round pick on Robert Upshaw?

[Ilikesports17]

You guys are funny. Okafor put up decent numbers on a historically awful team that had nobody else who could score. He also played poor defense, got in trouble off the court repeatedly, and had an overall poor attitude. He was not in the running for rookie of the year in his own draft class.

On top of it, the Sixers have Noel, Embiid, Okafor, and Saric all playing next season. All big men. They are starting for a PG. Are we supposed to seriously think they wouldn't jump at the chance to trade Okafor for #3 and draft Dunn? They would LOVE to do so. I can see the Celtics doing much better with the #3 pick though. I would be honestly disappointed if we trade it for Okafor. He doesnt fit our team or the modern NBA game, and doesnt provide a defensive presence inside either.

Okafor still looks like a future all-star to me.  He certainly put up rookie numbers reflecting a player who will develop into an all-star.   Is Dunn a future all-star?  I'm asking this legitimately as someone who doesn't follow College ball.  Does Dunn have any hope of developing into an all-star?  Because I see that at Okafor's age, Dunn was averaging 3.8 points, 5 assists, 2.5 rebounds, 1.8 steals with 31% shooting on the College level.  Is that more impressive than Okafor putting up per-36 numbers of  21 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1.4 blocks with 51% shooting as a 20 year old rookie on the NBA level? 

Worst-case scenario, Okafor is Al Jefferson.  What's Dunn's worst-case scenario?

Thing is, there's a chance a month from now we'll have more insight into this draft and realize there's a Porzingus type rising up unexpectedly.  That's possible.  You might even see SImmons or Ingram fall out of the Top 2 (as did with Okafor last season).   So maybe there's a future star that will be available.  Maybe that's 22 year old Kris Dunn.

But there's also a chance Okafor will be better than every single player in this draft.  And he's already shown rare NBA skills that will make him desirable to many teams if Philly decides to move him.  All I'm saying is, if I'm running Philly, I wouldn't bother trading a guaranteed blue chip like him for a scratch ticket unless I was REALLY sure about this draft.  I'd instead look at moving him for an established young player that I've seen play in the NBA already.   That's why I threw out the Suns as a team.  They have Bledsoe and Knight at PG already (as well as Devin Booker at SG) and they have the 4th pick in a guard-heavy 3-8 range.  Seems to me, trading Knight or Bledsoe for Okafor would make some sense for both teams.  Suns could use an elite big man prospect.  Philly could use a decent guard that they know can perform on the NBA level.

FWIW, I went to a Suns forum and questioned if they'd target one of Philly's bigs.  Apparently a bunch of them were already in favor of doing that and brought up an interesting point I hadn't considered... Colangelo has a good relationship with the Suns.  Two Suns fans even suggested they'd be willing to trade Brandon Knight AND the #4 pick for Okafor. 

Also interesting is that a couple of the Suns fans suggested they should trade Brandon Knight for Dario Saric.   I guess they aren't that high on Brandon Knight.  That surprises me a bit, because if Philly decides to start dumping bigs, I'd expect them to target an established player like Brandon Knight over a crapshoot draft pick.  Knight is only 24 years old and averaged 20 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds and 1.2 steals last season.   Stuff like this is why I continue to think Philly is one of the most fascinating teams this Summer.

So take that for what it's worth.

Suns would never make that offer. I won't believe it until you have an actual source instead of some Suns Fan forum board. Like seriously, who cares what fans are willing to offer.

Exactly.  It goes ways.  I put as much stock into what the Suns fans are willing to offer for Okafor as I do the fans here.

For all we know, Boston would be willing to trade Marcus Smart and #3 for Okafor and feel like they robbed Philly.  For all we know, Philly is going to trade Okafor for Jimmy Butler.   We're all just trying to guess.

I went over to the Suns blog pretty briefly, but the trade suggestions I saw were as follows.

Warren + 4 to Philly for #1
4 + Warren + Knight for #1 +Saric + future 1st
also

Option 1: Phoenix receives Jahlil Okafor. Philadelphia receives Brandon Knight.

Option 2: Phoenix receives Jahlil Okafor and the Lakers 2017 First Round Draft Pick. Philadelphia receives Eric Bledsoe.

Option 1: Phoenix receives Boston's 2016 First Round Draft Pick. Boston receives Phoenix's 2016 First Round Draft Pick and Tyson Chandler.
Option 2: Phoenix receives Boston's 2016 First Round Draft Pick. Boston receives Brandon Knight and Tyson Chandler.

Those are the first 6 trade Ideas I saw.
Seem to have a much different tenor than the ones you saw.

Ultimately I think a Philly-Phoenix move makes a lot of sense.

Maybe something like Okafor + Saric for #4 and Knight could make sense.

Then Philly could take Murray or Hield and have Knight Heild Covington Simmons Noel... not bad
Phoenix would roll out Bledsoe Booker Warren Saric Okafor

I just want to point out if we start throwing in what other forums are discussing as potential hypothetical trades based on no actually rumors or information from the front office this is going to make the board really messy and crappy. Our own hypothetical trades are more than enough.
Can you imagine if someone on this board last year was running around saying the Celtics want to use a mid first round pick on Robert Upshaw?

oh for sure. I completely agree. I just wanted to kinda show that the sunsblog trade presented above did not represent the consensus of Suns fans. I think it was presented as more or less saying that the consensus of other teams fans was that Okafor would cost much more than the #4 (read #3 pick). That is not the consensus. Every blog has a wide spectrum of opinions. On this blog there are some people who probably want to trade Marcus Smart for like a top 55 protected pick and others who wouldnt trade him for Paul George.

[LarBrd33]

You guys are funny. Okafor put up decent numbers on a historically awful team that had nobody else who could score. He also played poor defense, got in trouble off the court repeatedly, and had an overall poor attitude. He was not in the running for rookie of the year in his own draft class.

On top of it, the Sixers have Noel, Embiid, Okafor, and Saric all playing next season. All big men. They are starting for a PG. Are we supposed to seriously think they wouldn't jump at the chance to trade Okafor for #3 and draft Dunn? They would LOVE to do so. I can see the Celtics doing much better with the #3 pick though. I would be honestly disappointed if we trade it for Okafor. He doesnt fit our team or the modern NBA game, and doesnt provide a defensive presence inside either.

Okafor still looks like a future all-star to me.  He certainly put up rookie numbers reflecting a player who will develop into an all-star.   Is Dunn a future all-star?  I'm asking this legitimately as someone who doesn't follow College ball.  Does Dunn have any hope of developing into an all-star?  Because I see that at Okafor's age, Dunn was averaging 3.8 points, 5 assists, 2.5 rebounds, 1.8 steals with 31% shooting on the College level.  Is that more impressive than Okafor putting up per-36 numbers of  21 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1.4 blocks with 51% shooting as a 20 year old rookie on the NBA level? 

Worst-case scenario, Okafor is Al Jefferson.  What's Dunn's worst-case scenario?

Thing is, there's a chance a month from now we'll have more insight into this draft and realize there's a Porzingus type rising up unexpectedly.  That's possible.  You might even see SImmons or Ingram fall out of the Top 2 (as did with Okafor last season).   So maybe there's a future star that will be available.  Maybe that's 22 year old Kris Dunn.

But there's also a chance Okafor will be better than every single player in this draft.  And he's already shown rare NBA skills that will make him desirable to many teams if Philly decides to move him.  All I'm saying is, if I'm running Philly, I wouldn't bother trading a guaranteed blue chip like him for a scratch ticket unless I was REALLY sure about this draft.  I'd instead look at moving him for an established young player that I've seen play in the NBA already.   That's why I threw out the Suns as a team.  They have Bledsoe and Knight at PG already (as well as Devin Booker at SG) and they have the 4th pick in a guard-heavy 3-8 range.  Seems to me, trading Knight or Bledsoe for Okafor would make some sense for both teams.  Suns could use an elite big man prospect.  Philly could use a decent guard that they know can perform on the NBA level.

FWIW, I went to a Suns forum and questioned if they'd target one of Philly's bigs.  Apparently a bunch of them were already in favor of doing that and brought up an interesting point I hadn't considered... Colangelo has a good relationship with the Suns.  Two Suns fans even suggested they'd be willing to trade Brandon Knight AND the #4 pick for Okafor. 

Also interesting is that a couple of the Suns fans suggested they should trade Brandon Knight for Dario Saric.   I guess they aren't that high on Brandon Knight.  That surprises me a bit, because if Philly decides to start dumping bigs, I'd expect them to target an established player like Brandon Knight over a crapshoot draft pick.  Knight is only 24 years old and averaged 20 points, 5 assists, 4 rebounds and 1.2 steals last season.   Stuff like this is why I continue to think Philly is one of the most fascinating teams this Summer.

So take that for what it's worth.

Suns would never make that offer. I won't believe it until you have an actual source instead of some Suns Fan forum board. Like seriously, who cares what fans are willing to offer.

Exactly.  It goes ways.  I put as much stock into what the Suns fans are willing to offer for Okafor as I do the fans here.

For all we know, Boston would be willing to trade Marcus Smart and #3 for Okafor and feel like they robbed Philly.  For all we know, Philly is going to trade Okafor for Jimmy Butler.   We're all just trying to guess.

I went over to the Suns blog pretty briefly, but the trade suggestions I saw were as follows.

Warren + 4 to Philly for #1
4 + Warren + Knight for #1 +Saric + future 1st
also

Option 1: Phoenix receives Jahlil Okafor. Philadelphia receives Brandon Knight.

Option 2: Phoenix receives Jahlil Okafor and the Lakers 2017 First Round Draft Pick. Philadelphia receives Eric Bledsoe.

Option 1: Phoenix receives Boston's 2016 First Round Draft Pick. Boston receives Phoenix's 2016 First Round Draft Pick and Tyson Chandler.
Option 2: Phoenix receives Boston's 2016 First Round Draft Pick. Boston receives Brandon Knight and Tyson Chandler.

Those are the first 6 trade Ideas I saw.
Seem to have a much different tenor than the ones you saw.

Ultimately I think a Philly-Phoenix move makes a lot of sense.

Maybe something like Okafor + Saric for #4 and Knight could make sense.

Then Philly could take Murray or Hield and have Knight Heild Covington Simmons Noel... not bad
Phoenix would roll out Bledsoe Booker Warren Saric Okafor

I just want to point out if we start throwing in what other forums are discussing as potential hypothetical trades based on no actually rumors or information from the front office this is going to make the board really messy and crappy. Our own hypothetical trades are more than enough.
Can you imagine if someone on this board last year was running around saying the Celtics want to use a mid first round pick on Robert Upshaw?

oh for sure. I completely agree. I just wanted to kinda show that the sunsblog trade presented above did not represent the consensus of Suns fans. I think it was presented as more or less saying that the consensus of other teams fans was that Okafor would cost much more than the #4 (read #3 pick). That is not the consensus. Every blog has a wide spectrum of opinions. On this blog there are some people who probably want to trade Marcus Smart for like a top 55 protected pick and others who wouldnt trade him for Paul George.

Yeah for sure.  LIke fans who want to trade Marcus Smart + #3 for Okafor while others don't want anything to do with Okafor.   There's some Suns fans who would gladly trade #4 and Knight for Okafor... or Knight straight up for Saric.  Others that wouldn't. 

[SHAQATTACK]

I trade the three pick for Oakfor

But I doubt the 76 s do a deal .

[OHCeltic]

I would trade #3 and Rozier for Okafor and maybe a couple of second rounders.

[alldaboston]

I'd do 3 and 23 and young for okafor.

[GetLucky]

I wouldn't trade the #3 in any deal for Okafor.

I'm of the opinion that any big needs significant face-up skills to operate in both the modern NBA and Stevens's offense. Okafor showed great post passing at Duke and a solid free-throw-line-in face-up arsenal in Philly, but I don't think he's the one I'd want initiating dribble handoffs at the top of the key, nor do I think he is the guy that would be a threat outside of 18 feet. In addition, his free throw percentage scares me. Maybe the 69% he shot this year is a testament to his work ethic, but Rondo once shot around 67%, and Okafor's shot ~60% from the line at every level. I'm not a fan of a poor-free-throw-shooting Al Jefferson.

Okafor can undoubtedly score, though. I can easily see a 20/8 guy on the right team. Maybe he starts a Post-Player Renaissance, as his passing and back-to-the-basket skills would work great if he is the focal point of an offense.

[#1P4P]

Brett Brown's mention of Embid and Saric excluding Okafor and Noel mght be signs of what's to come.

If you're Danny, you start with the #3 and a couple 2nds and set a ceiling of #3, a 2016/future 1st, and Young, Hunter, Rozier, or another 2016/future 1st. An effort should be made to keep Rozier and a future Brooklyn 1st at all costs but should be given up if it's what puts us over the top.

If Danny can get Okafor for a package like that, it will be a coup. In a year's time, Okafor is going to be worth that and more.

[ahonui06]

Brett Brown's mention of Embid and Saric excluding Okafor and Noel mght be signs of what's to come.

If you're Danny, you start with the #3 and a couple 2nds and set a ceiling of #3, a 2016/future 1st, and Young, Hunter, Rozier, or another 2016/future 1st. An effort should be made to keep Rozier and a future Brooklyn 1st at all costs but should be given up if it's what puts us over the top.

If Danny can get Okafor for a package like that, it will be a coup. In a year's time, Okafor is going to be worth that and more.

Seems like a steep price for Jahlil Okafor. Only a second-year player and Boston would be giving up a lot.