Ford: C's tempted by Hield

[rondohondo]

I don't understand how Heild is a better prospect than Murray. Murray is 3 years younger , already has an NBA body , and can not only shoot on a similar level , he is able to post up , and seems more athletic .

Murray seems like a rich man's Afflalo to me .

[Evantime34]

I am gaining interest in Hield. Not overly sold on most of top 10. Hield at least should be a JJ Redick level player and maybe a bit more. Seems a safe choice.

Murray I am thinking will be a shorter version of Mike Miller.

I'm not sold on Hield, though I won't close the door on him either, but I think his floor is taller Jimmer Fredette and JJ Reddick is more like his most probable outcome.

JJ Reddick was always an off ball scorer, who was best running off screens to free himself. I saw a lot more of that from Murray than I did from Hield this year. I think Hield is going to create a lot more of his own offense than a guy like JJ.

Do you think Fredette would have been a very good player in the NBA if he was bigger, with longer arms and more athletic. I think in terms of how they played in college Jimmer and Buddy have a lot in common. However, I think had Jimmer had the length/athleticism of Buddy, then I think Jimmer would have been a star.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I don't understand how Heild is a better prospect than Murray. Murray is 3 years younger , already has an NBA body , and can not only shoot on a similar level , he is able to post up , and seems more athletic .

Murray seems like a rich man's Afflalo to me .

Should we be nervous about another "sharpshooter" from Kentucky? 

[chilidawg]

Murray was a far better freshman player than Young.

I'm not sure where the notion that Murray is more athletic than Hield is coming from,  my impression is just the opposite.  He is younger though, no question about that.

[Snakehead]

I don't understand how Heild is a better prospect than Murray. Murray is 3 years younger , already has an NBA body , and can not only shoot on a similar level , he is able to post up , and seems more athletic .

I don't see the Afflalo comp and I think Hield and Murray are pretty similar body/athleticism wise but otherwise I agree.  I do think Hield is no slouch and could be a JJ Reddick level player.  However, Murray is actually a great catch and shoot player by the numbers this last year so I could see him being a great sharp shooter but also able to do something off the dribble, which is appealing and obviously a more versatile player. 

I see  Murray as more of a guy who can slash and play make some over being a real PG.  But that is appealing to this Celtics team, even if we might not prefer a guard.  We need both shooting and slashing.

In the end I think both are similar but I'd go Murray if I was choosing.

[Chris22]

No more undersized players, please.

[saltlover]

I don't understand how Heild is a better prospect than Murray. Murray is 3 years younger , already has an NBA body , and can not only shoot on a similar level , he is able to post up , and seems more athletic .

Murray seems like a rich man's Afflalo to me .

In college, Afflalo was known for his defense as much as anything else.  He was one of my favorite collegiate players way back when.  Murray doesn't remind me of him at all.

[LooseCannon]

I am gaining interest in Hield. Not overly sold on most of top 10. Hield at least should be a JJ Redick level player and maybe a bit more. Seems a safe choice.

Murray I am thinking will be a shorter version of Mike Miller.

I'm not sold on Hield, though I won't close the door on him either, but I think his floor is taller Jimmer Fredette and JJ Reddick is more like his most probable outcome.

JJ Reddick was always an off ball scorer, who was best running off screens to free himself. I saw a lot more of that from Murray than I did from Hield this year. I think Hield is going to create a lot more of his own offense than a guy like JJ.

Do you think Fredette would have been a very good player in the NBA if he was bigger, with longer arms and more athletic. I think in terms of how they played in college Jimmer and Buddy have a lot in common. However, I think had Jimmer had the length/athleticism of Buddy, then I think Jimmer would have been a star.

I don't really like using high picks on Jimmer-like players who are good shooters but have questions about whether or not they can play defense due to poor athleticism.  I'd rather have an undersized shooter with good athleticism.  I'm already skeptical about the value of wings who are poor defenders.

I've seen reports that are divided on whether Hield has sufficient athleticism to defend in the NBA.  And if he is borderline adequate as a SG, that suggests he might not be up to the task if asked to switch onto a SF or PG.

[max215]

I haven't been a fan of Murray or Hield at #3 and still say just role the dice with Bender. However in my mind Hield size advantage over Murray should not be over looked by the Celtics. I think between the grit Smart showed in the playoffs guarding the SF and even PF and Hield's sold 6'5 215lb 6'9.25" wing measurements the Cs could fill Turners roles with the youth already on the roster. Smart, Hield, Rozier and either Hunter/Young or a vet role player shooter may fill the role with little issue.

I would add that if the Cs draft Hield I would love to see a consolidation trade where the Cs use #16 + #23 + a few of the seconds to move up as high in the draft as possible to target Ellenson, Poeltl or Chriss. Picking Hield and one of those three would essentially take Turner and Zellers roster spots barring any other trades. Poeltl and Ellenson would likely battle Mickey for a spot in the rotation and Chriss would spend the year in Maine.

To add to that...

The Suns have a glut of 1's and 2's (Knight, Bledsoe, and Booker), but badly need a 4. They also have the #13 pick in the draft. So say everything remains as is, us with the #3 and them with the #4, wouldn't a swap of the #'s 3 & 23 for #'s 4 & 13 make a ton of sense? For example, we could take Murray or Hield at 4 and then package the #13 and #16 picks to move up and draft Poeltl, filling two major holes, center spot and perimeter shooting. The Suns would take Bender who is considered by many (most?) as the 3rd best prospect on the board.

I like it.

[CelticSooner]

Buddy is a Danny Ainge type of player. It's not surprising.

[dannyboy35]

I could see celts trading up to 3 to take Hield. I'm a big believer . I only wasn't sure cuz I thought he was 6 ft 3. Big difference at 6' 5. I'd be very, very happy. I think he's gonna be on an all star team some day.

[Celtics4ever]

Murray was a far better freshman player than Young.

What about Ron Mercer another Kentucky dud?  They have had some great players but guards who can shoot aside from Tony Delk do not come to mind.  Maybe Murray is different.   Booker can shoot a little.  Young has been disappointing thus far.

I think we may deal a guard or two to get a big and make room for Buddy.

[rondohondo]

Murray was a far better freshman player than Young.

What about Ron Mercer another Kentucky dud?  They have had some great players but guards who can shoot aside from Tony Delk do not come to mind.  Maybe Murray is different.   Booker can shoot a little.  Young has been disappointing thus far.

I think we may deal a guard or two to get a big and make room for Buddy.

Ron Mercer's fresh year he avg 8 ppg on 33% from 3 on 2 attempts per game . Murray avg 20ppg on 40% 3pts while taking 7  a game . I think it's safe to say Murray is a much better shooter .

[mctyson]

Buddy is a Danny Ainge type of player. It's not surprising.

I think we can trade down for him though

[rondohondo]

Buddy is a Danny Ainge type of player. It's not surprising.

I think we can trade down for him though

why take the chance if it's who Danny wants. It's not like we can use anymore draft picks this year , unless we can combine it with #16 and move up to around 10