Ford: C's tempted by Hield

[Eddie20]

What the C's should do with the 1-3 pick, but the comment on Hield was interesting.

Whom Boston should draft with the ...

No. 1 pick: Ben Simmons
No. 2 pick: Brandon Ingram
No. 3 pick: Jamal Murray

Most likely pick: Jamal Murray, G, Fr., Kentucky

If the Celtics get the first pick, both Simmons and Ingram look like great fits. Simmons' ability to see the floor and still play the as a big makes him the more intriguing fit -- especially with Brad Stevens as the coach.

If they fall outside the top two, look for them to address the backcourt. The Celtics love Marcus Smart, Avery Bradley and Isaiah Thomas in their current backcourt, but Murray's shooting and versatility would be too much to pass up -- though sources say they're tempted by Buddy Hield, an even better shooter and more ready to step in and play right now.

Alternative pick: Buddy Hield, SG, Sr., Oklahoma

[CFAN38]

I haven't been a fan of Murray or Hield at #3 and still say just role the dice with Bender. However in my mind Hield size advantage over Murray should not be over looked by the Celtics. I think between the grit Smart showed in the playoffs guarding the SF and even PF and Hield's sold 6'5 215lb 6'9.25" wing measurements the Cs could fill Turners roles with the youth already on the roster. Smart, Hield, Rozier and either Hunter/Young or a vet role player shooter may fill the role with little issue. 

[TA9]

I would be content with Hield as long as it means that we won't draft Bender. I would rather have a finished product in Hield than rolling a dice on Bender becoming the Porzingis of this draft.

[The One]

I put Murray slightly over Hield.

I still want Bender, Skal, and Maker for our first three picks though.

Swinging from the heels 3 times...trying to hit the home run!!

[greece66]

The article reads like speculation rather than inside information to me.

Or maybe, I really really hope we do not draft Hield with the Brooklyn pick.

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2016/05/2016_nba_draft_rumors_buddy_hi.html

[jambr380]

Just happy not to see Bender's name in there anywhere.

I guess we will know more tomorrow.

[CFAN38]

I haven't been a fan of Murray or Hield at #3 and still say just role the dice with Bender. However in my mind Hield size advantage over Murray should not be over looked by the Celtics. I think between the grit Smart showed in the playoffs guarding the SF and even PF and Hield's sold 6'5 215lb 6'9.25" wing measurements the Cs could fill Turners roles with the youth already on the roster. Smart, Hield, Rozier and either Hunter/Young or a vet role player shooter may fill the role with little issue.

I would add that if the Cs draft Hield I would love to see a consolidation trade where the Cs use #16 + #23 + a few of the seconds to move up as high in the draft as possible to target Ellenson, Poeltl or Chriss. Picking Hield and one of those three would essentially take Turner and Zellers roster spots barring any other trades. Poeltl and Ellenson would likely battle Mickey for a spot in the rotation and Chriss would spend the year in Maine.

[bopna]

Stay away from Bender. He is the next Darko and in no way shape or form is he becoming the next K Porzingis. Take Hield who is ready to contribute right away. Get rid of Young and  Sully .

[Eddie20]

I haven't been a fan of Murray or Hield at #3 and still say just role the dice with Bender. However in my mind Hield size advantage over Murray should not be over looked by the Celtics. I think between the grit Smart showed in the playoffs guarding the SF and even PF and Hield's sold 6'5 215lb 6'9.25" wing measurements the Cs could fill Turners roles with the youth already on the roster. Smart, Hield, Rozier and either Hunter/Young or a vet role player shooter may fill the role with little issue.

I would add that if the Cs draft Hield I would love to see a consolidation trade where the Cs use #16 + #23 + a few of the seconds to move up as high in the draft as possible to target Ellenson, Poeltl or Chriss. Picking Hield and one of those three would essentially take Turner and Zellers roster spots barring any other trades. Poeltl and Ellenson would likely battle Mickey for a spot in the rotation and Chriss would spend the year in Maine.

To add to that...

The Suns have a glut of 1's and 2's (Knight, Bledsoe, and Booker), but badly need a 4. They also have the #13 pick in the draft. So say everything remains as is, us with the #3 and them with the #4, wouldn't a swap of the #'s 3 & 23 for #'s 4 & 13 make a ton of sense? For example, we could take Murray or Hield at 4 and then package the #13 and #16 picks to move up and draft Poeltl, filling two major holes, center spot and perimeter shooting. The Suns would take Bender who is considered by many (most?) as the 3rd best prospect on the board.

[PaulP34]

I think Criss can start from day one

[CFAN38]

I haven't been a fan of Murray or Hield at #3 and still say just role the dice with Bender. However in my mind Hield size advantage over Murray should not be over looked by the Celtics. I think between the grit Smart showed in the playoffs guarding the SF and even PF and Hield's sold 6'5 215lb 6'9.25" wing measurements the Cs could fill Turners roles with the youth already on the roster. Smart, Hield, Rozier and either Hunter/Young or a vet role player shooter may fill the role with little issue.

I would add that if the Cs draft Hield I would love to see a consolidation trade where the Cs use #16 + #23 + a few of the seconds to move up as high in the draft as possible to target Ellenson, Poeltl or Chriss. Picking Hield and one of those three would essentially take Turner and Zellers roster spots barring any other trades. Poeltl and Ellenson would likely battle Mickey for a spot in the rotation and Chriss would spend the year in Maine.

To add to that...

The Suns have a glut of 1's and 2's (Knight, Bledsoe, and Booker), but badly need a 4. They also have the #13 pick in the draft. So say everything remains as is, us with the #3 and them with the #4, wouldn't a swap of the #'s 3 & 23 for #'s 4 & 13 make a ton of sense? For example, we could take Murray or Hield at 4 and then package the #13 and #16 picks to move up and draft Poeltl, filling two major holes, center spot and perimeter shooting. The Suns would take Bender who is considered by many (most?) as the 3rd best prospect on the board.

Maybe but a ten spot swing seems like alot just to switch 3 to 4. If the Suns are that high on Bender I suspect DA woud also be and wouldn't make the trade. History gives us the Jamison for Carter deal years ago this was a 4 to 5 swap and cash was the only additional compensation.

I was thinking more along the lines of a #16+#23+35 for #11,#12 or #13 if the team drafting at those spots like a player at #16 and one of the 3 bigs I mentioned drops. I list those 3 and not other lottery level bigs like Skal and D Davis because I think Poeltl is the best fit and Ellenson and Chriss have the most potential long term.

[Eddie20]

I haven't been a fan of Murray or Hield at #3 and still say just role the dice with Bender. However in my mind Hield size advantage over Murray should not be over looked by the Celtics. I think between the grit Smart showed in the playoffs guarding the SF and even PF and Hield's sold 6'5 215lb 6'9.25" wing measurements the Cs could fill Turners roles with the youth already on the roster. Smart, Hield, Rozier and either Hunter/Young or a vet role player shooter may fill the role with little issue.

I would add that if the Cs draft Hield I would love to see a consolidation trade where the Cs use #16 + #23 + a few of the seconds to move up as high in the draft as possible to target Ellenson, Poeltl or Chriss. Picking Hield and one of those three would essentially take Turner and Zellers roster spots barring any other trades. Poeltl and Ellenson would likely battle Mickey for a spot in the rotation and Chriss would spend the year in Maine.

To add to that...

The Suns have a glut of 1's and 2's (Knight, Bledsoe, and Booker), but badly need a 4. They also have the #13 pick in the draft. So say everything remains as is, us with the #3 and them with the #4, wouldn't a swap of the #'s 3 & 23 for #'s 4 & 13 make a ton of sense? For example, we could take Murray or Hield at 4 and then package the #13 and #16 picks to move up and draft Poeltl, filling two major holes, center spot and perimeter shooting. The Suns would take Bender who is considered by many (most?) as the 3rd best prospect on the board.

Maybe but a ten spot swing seems like alot just to switch 3 to 4. If the Suns are that high on Bender I suspect DA woud also be and wouldn't make the trade. History gives us the Jamison for Carter deal years ago this was a 4 to 5 swap and cash was the only additional compensation.

I was thinking more along the lines of a #16+#23+35 for #11,#12 or #13 if the team drafting at those spots like a player at #16 and one of the 3 bigs I mentioned drops. I list those 3 and not other lottery level bigs like Skal and D Davis because I think Poeltl is the best fit and Ellenson and Chriss have the most potential long term.

That's been the price when swapping within the top 5.

Aldridge was drafted #3 and was traded to the Blazers for the #4 and a future 1st rd pick. The Magic drafted Webber and received 3 1st rd picks for basically swapping to get Penny at 3.

[bdm860]

I haven't been a fan of Murray or Hield at #3 and still say just role the dice with Bender. However in my mind Hield size advantage over Murray should not be over looked by the Celtics. I think between the grit Smart showed in the playoffs guarding the SF and even PF and Hield's sold 6'5 215lb 6'9.25" wing measurements the Cs could fill Turners roles with the youth already on the roster. Smart, Hield, Rozier and either Hunter/Young or a vet role player shooter may fill the role with little issue.

I would add that if the Cs draft Hield I would love to see a consolidation trade where the Cs use #16 + #23 + a few of the seconds to move up as high in the draft as possible to target Ellenson, Poeltl or Chriss. Picking Hield and one of those three would essentially take Turner and Zellers roster spots barring any other trades. Poeltl and Ellenson would likely battle Mickey for a spot in the rotation and Chriss would spend the year in Maine.

To add to that...

The Suns have a glut of 1's and 2's (Knight, Bledsoe, and Booker), but badly need a 4. They also have the #13 pick in the draft. So say everything remains as is, us with the #3 and them with the #4, wouldn't a swap of the #'s 3 & 23 for #'s 4 & 13 make a ton of sense? For example, we could take Murray or Hield at 4 and then package the #13 and #16 picks to move up and draft Poeltl, filling two major holes, center spot and perimeter shooting. The Suns would take Bender who is considered by many (most?) as the 3rd best prospect on the board.

Maybe but a ten spot swing seems like alot just to switch 3 to 4. If the Suns are that high on Bender I suspect DA woud also be and wouldn't make the trade. History gives us the Jamison for Carter deal years ago this was a 4 to 5 swap and cash was the only additional compensation.

I was thinking more along the lines of a #16+#23+35 for #11,#12 or #13 if the team drafting at those spots like a player at #16 and one of the 3 bigs I mentioned drops. I list those 3 and not other lottery level bigs like Skal and D Davis because I think Poeltl is the best fit and Ellenson and Chriss have the most potential long term.

That's been the price when swapping within the top 5.

Aldridge was drafted #3 and was traded to the Blazers for the #4 and a future 1st rd pick. The Magic drafted Webber and received 3 1st rd picks for basically swapping to get Penny at 3.

A couple of things wrong here.

Aldridge was drafted #2, not #3 and was traded with a conditional 2nd for Tyrus Thomas (#4) and Viktor Khryapa.  The team drafting #2 gave up a future pick, not the team drafting #4, and there was no future 1sts involved.

Also in same draft there was the Randy Foye (#7) for Brandon Roy (#6) swap, with nothing else.

Seriously how did Portland's GM pull those heists off?

Also like CFAN38 mentioned, you have the Antawn Jamison (#4) for Vince Carter #5 and cash swap.

You have OJ Mayo (#3) for Kevin Love (#5) swap, with a bunch of spare parts added in.

Not quite top 5, but you have Luol Deng (#7) traded for the 31st pick and a 2005 1st (which ended up as #21 Nate Robinson).  How did they pull that off?

So sometimes you have teams seemingly giving up nothing to swap.


On the other end of the spectrum you have the Webber trade.  It's tough to compare that trade to anything because Webber was seen as the clear cut #1.  It's like what would it take to get Karl-Anthony Towns or Anthony Davis or Blake Griffin or LeBron James or Tim Duncan on draft night?  That trade will only happen when you have a serious potential for a transcendent talent at #1.  That trades not happening in most drafts, and also not happening at #2-#5.  Also it's probably a bit like the Garnett/Pierce to Brooklyn trade, where the haul Boston got is not the real market rate for teams trading away aging stars.  There's very few teams in the league willing to make that type of trade.

Other teams that gave up a little more might be Ray Allen (#5) and a first 2 years out (which ended up being #17) for Stephon Marbury (#4).

Also just outside the top 5 you have Tractor Traylor (#6) for Dirk (#9) and Pat Garrity (#19).

Also have Eddie Griffin (#7) for Richard Jefferson (#13), Jason Collins (#18), and Brandon Armstrong (#23).

This is pretty much all the pick-for-pick trades (in the top 10 at least) over the last 20 years.  None have happened in the last 5 years, most of them happened 10+ years ago.  Tough to really say what the market rate is when it doesn't happen that much.  All depends on the draft and the teams involved.

[loco_91]

The problem with drafting #3 is that when there's no obvious BPA, Ainge tends to make reaches. Hield at #3 would be a serious reach. Hopefully, we get a top 2 pick and all this speculation is moot.

[D Dub]

The problem with drafting #3 is that when there's no obvious BPA, Ainge tends to make reaches. Hield at #3 would be a serious reach. Hopefully, we get a top 2 pick and all this speculation is moot.

I all for Ainge reaching if he needs to, so long as he has other deals lined up for the subsequent four picks to get Brad an established shooter.