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Why I would be fine with the 5th overall pick
« on: May 15, 2016, 05:32:47 PM »

Offline alewilliam789

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Most people would deem the fall of our pick to 5 as disastrous and one of the worst case scenarios of the lottery, but from a drafting standpoint I think it may be better for us because of the lack of depth of top tier talent. Say we land 3, let's be honest the difference between 3 and 5 is not that great. What we can grab Dragan Bender and Jamaal Murray? I love Murray, but the difference between him and Bender and players like Ellenson, Peoltl, and Hield is not that great. And the Bender hype is ridiculous and unfounded so it keeps us from feeling like we need to reach on him.

My ideal draft scenario if we keep the pick in the top 5 is draft Jakob Peoltl at 5 and then we send 16, 23, 31, and 35 to go up and grab Henry Ellenson. Kinda hesitant to go with an all white front court, but Cleveland did it last year with Mozgov and Love and did pretty well so I don't see why not. Both player are very good prospects that are very skilled big men that can face up, work on the block, pass, score, and have the quickness and length needed to become good defenders in the NBA. Eliminate what would be our rookie problem and add some great prospects to our front line.
PG: Isaiah Thomas
SG: Avery Bradley
SF: Jae Crowder
PF: Henry Ellenson
C: Jakob Peoltl

We can add a guard next year in a very deep and skilled draft after we get a better idea of how much better Bradley, Thomas, and Smart can become and after we see Rozier with some more NBA polish. The Nets also may be even worse next year so we could end up with a legitimate top 2 pick in a much better draft.

 

Re: Why I would be fine with the 5th overall pick
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2016, 05:42:10 PM »

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I agree that the fifth pick wouldn't be the end of the world.

As long as Danny doesn't pick a bricklayer like Brown or Ellenson, I'll get behind the pick.
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Re: Why I would be fine with the 5th overall pick
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2016, 05:56:46 PM »

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I think there are definite tiers in this draft.

Tier 1: 1-2
Tier 2: 3
Tier 3: 4-6

Falling to 5 or 6 wouldn't bother me that much, because I don't see a much of difference between 4 and 6 this year.
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I think there are definite tiers in this draft.

Tier 1: 1-2
Tier 2: 3
Tier 3: 4-6

Falling to 5 or 6 wouldn't bother me that much, because I don't see a much of difference between 4 and 6 this year.

Who is at three that's in a tier by himself? I think the major advantage of being at 3 would be your choice of the second tier of players.
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Re: Why I would be fine with the 5th overall pick
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2016, 06:00:03 PM »

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I think there are definite tiers in this draft.

Tier 1: 1-2
Tier 2: 3
Tier 3: 4-6

Falling to 5 or 6 wouldn't bother me that much, because I don't see a much of difference between 4 and 6 this year.

Who is at three that's in a tier by himself? I think the major advantage of being at 3 would be your choice of the second tier of players.

That's the main reason: you get your guy. I also think Bender might be a bit better than the others in the 3-6 range.
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Re: Why I would be fine with the 5th overall pick
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2016, 06:32:14 PM »

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Most people would deem the fall of our pick to 5 as disastrous and one of the worst case scenarios of the lottery, but from a drafting standpoint I think it may be better for us because of the lack of depth of top tier talent. Say we land 3, let's be honest the difference between 3 and 5 is not that great. What we can grab Dragan Bender and Jamaal Murray? I love Murray, but the difference between him and Bender and players like Ellenson, Peoltl, and Hield is not that great. And the Bender hype is ridiculous and unfounded so it keeps us from feeling like we need to reach on him.

My ideal draft scenario if we keep the pick in the top 5 is draft Jakob Peoltl at 5 and then we send 16, 23, 31, and 35 to go up and grab Henry Ellenson. Kinda hesitant to go with an all white front court, but Cleveland did it last year with Mozgov and Love and did pretty well so I don't see why not. Both player are very good prospects that are very skilled big men that can face up, work on the block, pass, score, and have the quickness and length needed to become good defenders in the NBA. Eliminate what would be our rookie problem and add some great prospects to our front line.
PG: Isaiah Thomas
SG: Avery Bradley
SF: Jae Crowder
PF: Henry Ellenson
C: Jakob Peoltl

We can add a guard next year in a very deep and skilled draft after we get a better idea of how much better Bradley, Thomas, and Smart can become and after we see Rozier with some more NBA polish. The Nets also may be even worse next year so we could end up with a legitimate top 2 pick in a much better draft.
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2016, 06:34:07 PM »

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Celtics will pick 5th or 6th. No question in my mind.

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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2016, 07:08:26 PM »

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Math is math.  It's stupid to get worked up over things out of your control.
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Celtics will pick 5th or 6th. No question in my mind.
how mad would you be if Boston got the 6th pick and the lakers got the 1st.  Lol

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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2016, 07:13:22 PM »

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Celtics will pick 5th or 6th. No question in my mind.
how mad would you be if Boston got the 6th pick and the lakers got the 1st.  Lol

Pretty sure that's mathematically impossible. We only get 6th if all 3 of the top picks were teams who finished with a better record than Brooklyn.
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I think there are definite tiers in this draft.

Tier 1: 1-2
Tier 2: 3
Tier 3: 4-6

Falling to 5 or 6 wouldn't bother me that much, because I don't see a much of difference between 4 and 6 this year.

Who is at three that's in a tier by himself? I think the major advantage of being at 3 would be your choice of the second tier of players.

That's the main reason: you get your guy. I also think Bender might be a bit better than the others in the 3-6 range.


I don't think bender is even close to being a tier above rhe other prospects.  If anything i think guys like hield, and Dunn are a tier above bender.

Dunn is going to be a beast.  Just a pity we already habe our starting PG for the foreseeable futire, bucause i think Dynn has star written all over him.  He can score, shoot, defend, handle, pass, hes a top shelf athlete, and he had decent size for the PG spot.  He's the closest thing I've seen to Chris Paul since a Chris Paul.

Re: Why I would be fine with the 5th overall pick
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2016, 07:37:20 PM »

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Most people would deem the fall of our pick to 5 as disastrous and one of the worst case scenarios of the lottery, but from a drafting standpoint I think it may be better for us because of the lack of depth of top tier talent. Say we land 3, let's be honest the difference between 3 and 5 is not that great. What we can grab Dragan Bender and Jamaal Murray? I love Murray, but the difference between him and Bender and players like Ellenson, Peoltl, and Hield is not that great. And the Bender hype is ridiculous and unfounded so it keeps us from feeling like we need to reach on him.

My ideal draft scenario if we keep the pick in the top 5 is draft Jakob Peoltl at 5 and then we send 16, 23, 31, and 35 to go up and grab Henry Ellenson. Kinda hesitant to go with an all white front court, but Cleveland did it last year with Mozgov and Love and did pretty well so I don't see why not. Both player are very good prospects that are very skilled big men that can face up, work on the block, pass, score, and have the quickness and length needed to become good defenders in the NBA. Eliminate what would be our rookie problem and add some great prospects to our front line.
PG: Isaiah Thomas
SG: Avery Bradley
SF: Jae Crowder
PF: Henry Ellenson
C: Jakob Peoltl

We can add a guard next year in a very deep and skilled draft after we get a better idea of how much better Bradley, Thomas, and Smart can become and after we see Rozier with some more NBA polish. The Nets also may be even worse next year so we could end up with a legitimate top 2 pick in a much better draft.

Jakob and Henry just might work.

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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2016, 07:39:54 PM »

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Celtics will pick 5th or 6th. No question in my mind.
how mad would you be if Boston got the 6th pick and the lakers got the 1st.  Lol

On a scale of 1-100, 1 being a tragedy and 100 being the feeling after a Celtics title, how good would it feel if the Celtics nabbed the #1 slot and the Lakers dropped down to #4 thus sending their pick to the 76ers?

80-85?

Re: Why I would be fine with the 5th overall pick
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2016, 08:18:58 PM »

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Most people would deem the fall of our pick to 5 as disastrous and one of the worst case scenarios of the lottery, but from a drafting standpoint I think it may be better for us because of the lack of depth of top tier talent. Say we land 3, let's be honest the difference between 3 and 5 is not that great. What we can grab Dragan Bender and Jamaal Murray? I love Murray, but the difference between him and Bender and players like Ellenson, Peoltl, and Hield is not that great. And the Bender hype is ridiculous and unfounded so it keeps us from feeling like we need to reach on him.

My ideal draft scenario if we keep the pick in the top 5 is draft Jakob Peoltl at 5 and then we send 16, 23, 31, and 35 to go up and grab Henry Ellenson. Kinda hesitant to go with an all white front court, but Cleveland did it last year with Mozgov and Love and did pretty well so I don't see why not. Both player are very good prospects that are very skilled big men that can face up, work on the block, pass, score, and have the quickness and length needed to become good defenders in the NBA. Eliminate what would be our rookie problem and add some great prospects to our front line.
PG: Isaiah Thomas
SG: Avery Bradley
SF: Jae Crowder
PF: Henry Ellenson
C: Jakob Peoltl

We can add a guard next year in a very deep and skilled draft after we get a better idea of how much better Bradley, Thomas, and Smart can become and after we see Rozier with some more NBA polish. The Nets also may be even worse next year so we could end up with a legitimate top 2 pick in a much better draft.

Jakob and Henry just might work.


Yeah, they make a solid combination up front.

Ellenson could be a potential 20/10 guy (think David Lee / Zach Randolf/ Greg Monroe) and Poetlyl could become a Marcin Gortat type.  Would be a solid pair.

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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2016, 08:25:38 PM »

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