If the Celtics get the 3rd pick or worse....

[Alleyoopster]

Nah if we get #3 draft Heild then trade #23 with #16 along with a 2nd or two to move up to #9 or #10 to draft Scal. Don't give up future assets that might be lottery bound.

Buddy Heild and Scal Labissiere would be a success in my eyes

Doubt #23, #16 and 2nd rounders would = #9

Since there are no real standouts after number 2....what if Danny got a deal to move down and get two picks within the top ten.  Say the Celtics select either at #3 or #4 and add the #16th  pick and then trade for #6 and #10 or something similar. Would you do that deal?   

[green_bballers13]

Yes- all day. After top 2, seems like there is a drop-off in talent. I would take the BPA available 2x in the top 10 over one shot at Bender, Murray, Dunn, etc. Buddy Hield + Jaylen Brown > Bender.

[meangreenmachine]

If Bender cannot compete in Europe right now, it seems to me he's clearly too raw to be a contributor in the NBA in his rookie season, or perhaps even his first 1-3 seasons. Plus, his last name reminds me of Jonathan Bender, the Pacers' top five pick who was a bust years ago (HA!)

If we do not get one of the top two picks, and cannot find a way to move our pick in a deal involving an all-star, I would prefer to see us drop down to 8 or 9 in exchange for an unprotected future first-round pick. If Pöltl is available, pick him, trade a bunch of our remaining 2016 picks in order to move up to the next pick and choose Sabonis. If Pöltl is not available at 8 or 9, pick Sabonis and then find a way to move some of our remaining 2016 picks for an NBA contributor. Either way would be a pretty good draft night for me...

[cltc5]

If Bender cannot compete in Europe right now, it seems to me he's clearly too raw to be a contributor in the NBA in his rookie season, or perhaps even his first 1-3 seasons. Plus, his last name reminds me of Jonathan Bender, the Pacers' top five pick who was a bust years ago.

If we do not get one of the top two picks, and cannot find a way to move our pick in a deal involving an all-star, I would prefer to see us drop down to 8 or 9 in exchange for an unprotected future first-round pick. I would then like to see us use our remaining 2016 picks to move up to 9 or 10. With back-to-back picks, I would love to see us add Sabonis and Pöltl...

Agreed.  If all else fails drop down and pick up some top 10 picks or players through trade to build up the roster. I have a feeling we'll be in rebuild mode another 3 years anyway so.

[Coast2Coast]

No way I'm drafting Skal at 5, that is ridiculous. I would be happy with Skal at 10+ if we could make moves.

If we get 3 give me Murray,Brown or Hield in that order. That way we can move some pieces around i.e. Bradley, Nets 18, hunter/young. Would Bradley and Nets 18( Maybe C's 16) be enough for Okafor? If not what front court player could we obtain for a deal like this?


I'd like to retain the 17 swap, as I anticipate the Nets being horrible again next year and not having a chance with any solid FA. Celts sign a solid FA this year and another 1-2 next summer as well and we're cruising.

[alldaboston]

Why is Bender a lock for the number 3 pick on almost all draft boards (at least a week ago). Yet, no one wants him on CB?

I have been scouring the interwebs all day, trying to figure why everyone is so high on this kid. He's young. Check. He's tall. Check. He has some semblance of a jumper. Check. But is it translating? He's playing pro ball (albeit in a slightly softer league), but he is not managing to put up respectable numbers. Porzingis last season in Europe he was averaging 11 and 5 (at 19). Bender is averaging 1.5 and 1.2 (at 18). I was looking at the '03 draft today... this kid looks like he's more Milicic than Bosh.

Oh cmon. He's not THAT bad. He's not averaging 1 and 1 per game lol

This site says 5 and 3 per game in 13 min per game: http://basket.co.il/PlayerPage.asp?PlayerNumber=03&TeamId=950&cYear=2016&cView=2&lang=en

And also, I don't want bender, but it's fair to note that when porzingis was bender's age, he was averaging very similar numbers to current bender.

In 2013-14, (current bender age) porzingis averaged 7 and 3 per game in 15 minutes per game: http://www.basketball-reference.com/euro/players/kristaps-porzingis-1.html#per_game::none

[CoachBo]

I could see Danny taking Bender with #3 or consolidating picks by trading to move up and take Bender at #3.  Heck, I could see him moving up to #2 and taking Bender.

So can I. Danny isn't a good drafter.

[jambr380]

Why is Bender a lock for the number 3 pick on almost all draft boards (at least a week ago). Yet, no one wants him on CB?

I have been scouring the interwebs all day, trying to figure why everyone is so high on this kid. He's young. Check. He's tall. Check. He has some semblance of a jumper. Check. But is it translating? He's playing pro ball (albeit in a slightly softer league), but he is not managing to put up respectable numbers. Porzingis last season in Europe he was averaging 11 and 5 (at 19). Bender is averaging 1.5 and 1.2 (at 18). I was looking at the '03 draft today... this kid looks like he's more Milicic than Bosh.

Oh cmon. He's not THAT bad. He's not averaging 1 and 1 per game lol

This site says 5 and 3 per game in 13 min per game: http://basket.co.il/PlayerPage.asp?PlayerNumber=03&TeamId=950&cYear=2016&cView=2&lang=en

And also, I don't want bender, but it's fair to note that when porzingis was bender's age, he was averaging very similar numbers to current bender.

In 2013-14, (current bender age) porzingis averaged 7 and 3 per game in 15 minutes per game: http://www.basketball-reference.com/euro/players/kristaps-porzingis-1.html#per_game::none

TP - that made me laugh.

I really hope we do not choose Bender, though. I know I am not a scout, but there seem to better guaranteed options out there (in the draft or trade). While we can afford to blow the pick (since we actually finished well enough to have #23, not #3), I would rather have it work out...obviously.

[Greyman]

I am not a scout or draft expert but, based on what I have read and seen (from a distance), Simmons and Ingram aren't special enough in many people's eyes to be worth the deal originally mentioned. I do get a sense though that if DA was to package something to move up (not including AB and Smart), people would be happier if it was for Ingram than for Simmons?

[chambers]

Why is Bender a lock for the number 3 pick on almost all draft boards (at least a week ago). Yet, no one wants him on CB?

I have been scouring the interwebs all day, trying to figure why everyone is so high on this kid. He's young. Check. He's tall. Check. He has some semblance of a jumper. Check. But is it translating? He's playing pro ball (albeit in a slightly softer league), but he is not managing to put up respectable numbers. Porzingis last season in Europe he was averaging 11 and 5 (at 19). Bender is averaging 1.5 and 1.2 (at 18). I was looking at the '03 draft today... this kid looks like he's more Milicic than Bosh.

Oh cmon. He's not THAT bad. He's not averaging 1 and 1 per game lol

This site says 5 and 3 per game in 13 min per game: http://basket.co.il/PlayerPage.asp?PlayerNumber=03&TeamId=950&cYear=2016&cView=2&lang=en

And also, I don't want bender, but it's fair to note that when porzingis was bender's age, he was averaging very similar numbers to current bender.

In 2013-14, (current bender age) porzingis averaged 7 and 3 per game in 15 minutes per game: http://www.basketball-reference.com/euro/players/kristaps-porzingis-1.html#per_game::none

TP - that made me laugh.

I really hope we do not choose Bender, though. I know I am not a scout, but there seem to better guaranteed options out there (in the draft or trade). While we can afford to blow the pick (since we actually finished well enough to have #23, not #3), I would rather have it work out...obviously.

If they pick Bender it will be because they spent a looooong time looking at him and analyzing him.
It won't just be based on some stats in Europe and some youtube videos like us Celticsblog's couch draft experts wade through.
If we take Bender it's because Danny and Brad see something very special.
So don't fret too much

[alldaboston]

Why is Bender a lock for the number 3 pick on almost all draft boards (at least a week ago). Yet, no one wants him on CB?

I have been scouring the interwebs all day, trying to figure why everyone is so high on this kid. He's young. Check. He's tall. Check. He has some semblance of a jumper. Check. But is it translating? He's playing pro ball (albeit in a slightly softer league), but he is not managing to put up respectable numbers. Porzingis last season in Europe he was averaging 11 and 5 (at 19). Bender is averaging 1.5 and 1.2 (at 18). I was looking at the '03 draft today... this kid looks like he's more Milicic than Bosh.

Oh cmon. He's not THAT bad. He's not averaging 1 and 1 per game lol

This site says 5 and 3 per game in 13 min per game: http://basket.co.il/PlayerPage.asp?PlayerNumber=03&TeamId=950&cYear=2016&cView=2&lang=en

And also, I don't want bender, but it's fair to note that when porzingis was bender's age, he was averaging very similar numbers to current bender.

In 2013-14, (current bender age) porzingis averaged 7 and 3 per game in 15 minutes per game: http://www.basketball-reference.com/euro/players/kristaps-porzingis-1.html#per_game::none

TP - that made me laugh.

I really hope we do not choose Bender, though. I know I am not a scout, but there seem to better guaranteed options out there (in the draft or trade). While we can afford to blow the pick (since we actually finished well enough to have #23, not #3), I would rather have it work out...obviously.

If they pick Bender it will be because they spent a looooong time looking at him and analyzing him.
It won't just be based on some stats in Europe and some youtube videos like us Celticsblog's couch draft experts wade through.
If we take Bender it's because Danny and Brad see something very special.
So don't fret too much

Well, the Pistons must have seen something very special when they took Darko, right?

I can't help but fret with Bender. I see the appeal that he has. I get the hype. But I think it's unwarranted.

[LooseCannon]

Joe Dumars has admitted that the Pistons did very little research on Darko.

[Celtics4ever]

Joe Dumars has admitted that the Pistons did very little research on Darko.

So the strategem for many since then   has been to hide the players.  They did this for Exum and are doing now for Bender.  Some players best asset in the draft is the mystery.

[chambers]

Why is Bender a lock for the number 3 pick on almost all draft boards (at least a week ago). Yet, no one wants him on CB?

I have been scouring the interwebs all day, trying to figure why everyone is so high on this kid. He's young. Check. He's tall. Check. He has some semblance of a jumper. Check. But is it translating? He's playing pro ball (albeit in a slightly softer league), but he is not managing to put up respectable numbers. Porzingis last season in Europe he was averaging 11 and 5 (at 19). Bender is averaging 1.5 and 1.2 (at 18). I was looking at the '03 draft today... this kid looks like he's more Milicic than Bosh.

Oh cmon. He's not THAT bad. He's not averaging 1 and 1 per game lol

This site says 5 and 3 per game in 13 min per game: http://basket.co.il/PlayerPage.asp?PlayerNumber=03&TeamId=950&cYear=2016&cView=2&lang=en

And also, I don't want bender, but it's fair to note that when porzingis was bender's age, he was averaging very similar numbers to current bender.

In 2013-14, (current bender age) porzingis averaged 7 and 3 per game in 15 minutes per game: http://www.basketball-reference.com/euro/players/kristaps-porzingis-1.html#per_game::none

TP - that made me laugh.

I really hope we do not choose Bender, though. I know I am not a scout, but there seem to better guaranteed options out there (in the draft or trade). While we can afford to blow the pick (since we actually finished well enough to have #23, not #3), I would rather have it work out...obviously.

If they pick Bender it will be because they spent a looooong time looking at him and analyzing him.
It won't just be based on some stats in Europe and some youtube videos like us Celticsblog's couch draft experts wade through.
If we take Bender it's because Danny and Brad see something very special.
So don't fret too much

Well, the Pistons must have seen something very special when they took Darko, right?

I can't help but fret with Bender. I see the appeal that he has. I get the hype. But I think it's unwarranted.

Well it was Joe Dumars and this Ainge and Stevens...so I'll take our 'researchers' lol.

[Eddie20]

Why is Bender a lock for the number 3 pick on almost all draft boards (at least a week ago). Yet, no one wants him on CB?

I have been scouring the interwebs all day, trying to figure why everyone is so high on this kid. He's young. Check. He's tall. Check. He has some semblance of a jumper. Check. But is it translating? He's playing pro ball (albeit in a slightly softer league), but he is not managing to put up respectable numbers. Porzingis last season in Europe he was averaging 11 and 5 (at 19). Bender is averaging 1.5 and 1.2 (at 18). I was looking at the '03 draft today... this kid looks like he's more Milicic than Bosh.

Oh cmon. He's not THAT bad. He's not averaging 1 and 1 per game lol

This site says 5 and 3 per game in 13 min per game: http://basket.co.il/PlayerPage.asp?PlayerNumber=03&TeamId=950&cYear=2016&cView=2&lang=en

And also, I don't want bender, but it's fair to note that when porzingis was bender's age, he was averaging very similar numbers to current bender.

In 2013-14, (current bender age) porzingis averaged 7 and 3 per game in 15 minutes per game: http://www.basketball-reference.com/euro/players/kristaps-porzingis-1.html#per_game::none

In that link you posted it also has Bender's percentages at 58% from the field, 41% from 3's, and 73% from the line.

This kid is only 18 and would be a HS senior here. Now imagine how many opinions would change if he were dominating HS ball and was born in the US. The hate for international players is mind blowing. If he and Harry Giles would trade places, and appearances, Giles would be criticized on this site ad nauseam, while Bender would be heralded as a phenom.

This constant talk of him being a bust doesn't echo ANY mock draft and/or thoughts of anyone reputable. However, somehow the cynics here would want you to believe they know more than anyone else. All this while having much less actual evidence to support their jaded opinions, than those who rank Bender so highly. It leads to a false narrative with very little, but apparent bias to substantiate it.