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Quote from: max215 on April 20, 2016, 11:38:35 PMQuote from: Boris Badenov on April 20, 2016, 11:32:44 PMQuote from: triboy16f on April 20, 2016, 10:52:45 AMQuote from: crimson_stallion on April 20, 2016, 10:21:14 AMEverybody keeps talking about who we will pick at #3, but we actually have a veey slim chance at getting #3. It would mean mean the team's with the top 3 odds finish top 3, which rarely ever happens.Kinda more likely for us to get 2 or 4, with an outside chance at 1 or 5.Anyway Regardless of where we fall, I would take Hield over Murray any day. Even though he isn't the youngest rookie, he's an outstanding shooter...but also an all out scorer. And he has potential to become a good defensive player, solid athleticism, good size for the 2 spot, and a winning attitude.I don't feel Murray's upside is nearly as high. I feel there's too much risk of Murry becoming just a one dimensional guy who can't do much more than shoot threes. I might actually agree also about Korkmaz having just as much upside as Murray. Would rather try and snag him with the Dallas pick, and go for a legit start with the nets pick. I definately don't see Murray having anything near the potential of Simmons, Ingram or Hield.I disagreeChances are goodWhat you saying then there is a good chance someone from 4-6 have a decent chance to move up top a 2 or 3 pickI'm no saying we will get 2 or 3 , but I say it's harder for 4-6 to leapfrog us to nab a 1-3 spot and 1-2 worst record teams to drop to 3We have a 53% chance of drafting out of the top 3...so no, it's more likely that another team outside the top 3 moves into the top 3 (while we do not move into the top 2), thereby bumping us to 4-6.No need to bring facts into the discussion .Here's another fact for you: there's only a 1.5% chance that the 1/2/3 seeds get the 1/2/3 picks, in order. (This means the rest of the draft would go in order as well).Put another way: there's a 98.5% the actual draft order does not correspond to the order by ping-pong balls.
Quote from: Boris Badenov on April 20, 2016, 11:32:44 PMQuote from: triboy16f on April 20, 2016, 10:52:45 AMQuote from: crimson_stallion on April 20, 2016, 10:21:14 AMEverybody keeps talking about who we will pick at #3, but we actually have a veey slim chance at getting #3. It would mean mean the team's with the top 3 odds finish top 3, which rarely ever happens.Kinda more likely for us to get 2 or 4, with an outside chance at 1 or 5.Anyway Regardless of where we fall, I would take Hield over Murray any day. Even though he isn't the youngest rookie, he's an outstanding shooter...but also an all out scorer. And he has potential to become a good defensive player, solid athleticism, good size for the 2 spot, and a winning attitude.I don't feel Murray's upside is nearly as high. I feel there's too much risk of Murry becoming just a one dimensional guy who can't do much more than shoot threes. I might actually agree also about Korkmaz having just as much upside as Murray. Would rather try and snag him with the Dallas pick, and go for a legit start with the nets pick. I definately don't see Murray having anything near the potential of Simmons, Ingram or Hield.I disagreeChances are goodWhat you saying then there is a good chance someone from 4-6 have a decent chance to move up top a 2 or 3 pickI'm no saying we will get 2 or 3 , but I say it's harder for 4-6 to leapfrog us to nab a 1-3 spot and 1-2 worst record teams to drop to 3We have a 53% chance of drafting out of the top 3...so no, it's more likely that another team outside the top 3 moves into the top 3 (while we do not move into the top 2), thereby bumping us to 4-6.No need to bring facts into the discussion .
Quote from: triboy16f on April 20, 2016, 10:52:45 AMQuote from: crimson_stallion on April 20, 2016, 10:21:14 AMEverybody keeps talking about who we will pick at #3, but we actually have a veey slim chance at getting #3. It would mean mean the team's with the top 3 odds finish top 3, which rarely ever happens.Kinda more likely for us to get 2 or 4, with an outside chance at 1 or 5.Anyway Regardless of where we fall, I would take Hield over Murray any day. Even though he isn't the youngest rookie, he's an outstanding shooter...but also an all out scorer. And he has potential to become a good defensive player, solid athleticism, good size for the 2 spot, and a winning attitude.I don't feel Murray's upside is nearly as high. I feel there's too much risk of Murry becoming just a one dimensional guy who can't do much more than shoot threes. I might actually agree also about Korkmaz having just as much upside as Murray. Would rather try and snag him with the Dallas pick, and go for a legit start with the nets pick. I definately don't see Murray having anything near the potential of Simmons, Ingram or Hield.I disagreeChances are goodWhat you saying then there is a good chance someone from 4-6 have a decent chance to move up top a 2 or 3 pickI'm no saying we will get 2 or 3 , but I say it's harder for 4-6 to leapfrog us to nab a 1-3 spot and 1-2 worst record teams to drop to 3We have a 53% chance of drafting out of the top 3...so no, it's more likely that another team outside the top 3 moves into the top 3 (while we do not move into the top 2), thereby bumping us to 4-6.
Quote from: crimson_stallion on April 20, 2016, 10:21:14 AMEverybody keeps talking about who we will pick at #3, but we actually have a veey slim chance at getting #3. It would mean mean the team's with the top 3 odds finish top 3, which rarely ever happens.Kinda more likely for us to get 2 or 4, with an outside chance at 1 or 5.Anyway Regardless of where we fall, I would take Hield over Murray any day. Even though he isn't the youngest rookie, he's an outstanding shooter...but also an all out scorer. And he has potential to become a good defensive player, solid athleticism, good size for the 2 spot, and a winning attitude.I don't feel Murray's upside is nearly as high. I feel there's too much risk of Murry becoming just a one dimensional guy who can't do much more than shoot threes. I might actually agree also about Korkmaz having just as much upside as Murray. Would rather try and snag him with the Dallas pick, and go for a legit start with the nets pick. I definately don't see Murray having anything near the potential of Simmons, Ingram or Hield.I disagreeChances are goodWhat you saying then there is a good chance someone from 4-6 have a decent chance to move up top a 2 or 3 pickI'm no saying we will get 2 or 3 , but I say it's harder for 4-6 to leapfrog us to nab a 1-3 spot and 1-2 worst record teams to drop to 3
Everybody keeps talking about who we will pick at #3, but we actually have a veey slim chance at getting #3. It would mean mean the team's with the top 3 odds finish top 3, which rarely ever happens.Kinda more likely for us to get 2 or 4, with an outside chance at 1 or 5.Anyway Regardless of where we fall, I would take Hield over Murray any day. Even though he isn't the youngest rookie, he's an outstanding shooter...but also an all out scorer. And he has potential to become a good defensive player, solid athleticism, good size for the 2 spot, and a winning attitude.I don't feel Murray's upside is nearly as high. I feel there's too much risk of Murry becoming just a one dimensional guy who can't do much more than shoot threes. I might actually agree also about Korkmaz having just as much upside as Murray. Would rather try and snag him with the Dallas pick, and go for a legit start with the nets pick. I definately don't see Murray having anything near the potential of Simmons, Ingram or Hield.
Quote from: loco_91 on April 20, 2016, 10:04:21 AMA great alternative to Murray with the Bkn pick is Korkmaz with the Dallas pick. I'm not sure why Korkmaz is ranked so low on DX (#18), but he's just as appealing as Murray. Just as good a shooter if not better, at 46% from 3 on decent volume (last year: 42%). A really nice midrange game, quick high release, creates for himself and teammates off the dribble (72:42 ast/tov). He has better tools than Murray; he's also skinny, but he's 6'7 (Murray: 6'5) and surprisingly athletic considering his immature frame. He has great feel for the game-- timely passes, gets open for jumpers and layups, DX thinks he can play some PG. He's a good ballhandler with a nice crossover, and he plays with good change of pace. I honestly can't find an area of the game where Murray has a clear advantage, and I'm not sure why Korkmaz isn't a top-10 prospect.on korkmaz, i believe the questions on him are his defense and athleticism. he has problems with both. but the first seems correctable. the latter is why he will be available and be a good off the bench player under CBS.i would like either korkmaz or sabonis with dallas pick. both should be very good rotation players.
A great alternative to Murray with the Bkn pick is Korkmaz with the Dallas pick. I'm not sure why Korkmaz is ranked so low on DX (#18), but he's just as appealing as Murray. Just as good a shooter if not better, at 46% from 3 on decent volume (last year: 42%). A really nice midrange game, quick high release, creates for himself and teammates off the dribble (72:42 ast/tov). He has better tools than Murray; he's also skinny, but he's 6'7 (Murray: 6'5) and surprisingly athletic considering his immature frame. He has great feel for the game-- timely passes, gets open for jumpers and layups, DX thinks he can play some PG. He's a good ballhandler with a nice crossover, and he plays with good change of pace. I honestly can't find an area of the game where Murray has a clear advantage, and I'm not sure why Korkmaz isn't a top-10 prospect.
