Jamal Murray is the GUY!

[ashanm10]

So after the last game, clearly we are in need of guards who can shoot it. This guy will be doing exactly that. There is a Curry like stroke in him and hes got a swag. We should draft him if we have the 3rd pick.

[loco_91]

A great alternative to Murray with the Bkn pick is Korkmaz with the Dallas pick. I'm not sure why Korkmaz is ranked so low on DX (#18), but he's just as appealing as Murray. Just as good a shooter if not better, at 46% from 3 on decent volume (last year: 42%). A really nice midrange game, quick high release, creates for himself and teammates off the dribble (72:42 ast/tov). He has better tools than Murray; he's also skinny, but he's 6'7 (Murray: 6'5) and surprisingly athletic considering his immature frame. He has great feel for the game-- timely passes, gets open for jumpers and layups, DX thinks he can play some PG. He's a good ballhandler with a nice crossover, and he plays with good change of pace. I honestly can't find an area of the game where Murray has a clear advantage, and I'm not sure why Korkmaz isn't a top-10 prospect.

[showtime]

So after the last game, clearly we are in need of guards who can shoot it. This guy will be doing exactly that. There is a Curry like stroke in him and hes got a swag. We should draft him if we have the 3rd pick.

  Agree! I actually believe Murray will be better than Ingram.

[crimson_stallion]

Everybody keeps talking about who we will pick at #3, but we actually have a veey slim chance at getting #3.  It would mean mean the team's with the top 3 odds finish top 3, which rarely ever happens.

Kinda more likely for us to get 2 or 4, with an outside chance at 1 or 5.

Anyway Regardless of where we fall, I would take Hield over Murray any day.  Even though he isn't the youngest rookie, he's an outstanding shooter...but also an all out scorer.  And he has potential to become a good defensive player, solid athleticism, good size for the 2 spot, and a winning attitude.

I don't feel Murray's upside is nearly as high.  I feel there's too much risk of Murry becoming just a one dimensional guy who can't do much more than shoot threes. 

I might actually agree also about Korkmaz having just as much upside as Murray.  Would rather try and snag him with the Dallas pick, and go for a legit start with the nets pick. 

I definately don't see Murray having anything near the potential of Simmons, Ingram or Hield.

[loco_91]

Everybody keeps talking about who we will pick at #3, but we actually have a veey slim chance at getting #3.  It would mean mean the team's with the top 3 odds finish top 3, which rarely ever happens.

Kinda more likely for us to get 2 or 4, with an outside chance at 1 or 5.

Anyway Regardless of where we fall, I would take Hield over Murray any day.  Even though he isn't the youngest rookie, he's an outstanding shooter...but also an all out scorer.  And he has potential to become a good defensive player, solid athleticism, good size for the 2 spot, and a winning attitude.

I don't feel Murray's upside is nearly as high.  I feel there's too much risk of Murry becoming just a one dimensional guy who can't do much more than shoot threes. 

I might actually agree also about Korkmaz having just as much upside as Murray.  Would rather try and snag him with the Dallas pick, and go for a legit start with the nets pick. 

I definately don't see Murray having anything near the potential of Simmons, Ingram or Hield.

Our lottery odds are as follows:

Slot | probability | (cumulative probability)
#1 16% (16%)
#2 16% (31%)
#3 16% (47%)
#4 23% (70%)
#5 26% (96%)
#6 4% (100%)

[Tr1boy]

Everybody keeps talking about who we will pick at #3, but we actually have a veey slim chance at getting #3.  It would mean mean the team's with the top 3 odds finish top 3, which rarely ever happens.

Kinda more likely for us to get 2 or 4, with an outside chance at 1 or 5.

Anyway Regardless of where we fall, I would take Hield over Murray any day.  Even though he isn't the youngest rookie, he's an outstanding shooter...but also an all out scorer.  And he has potential to become a good defensive player, solid athleticism, good size for the 2 spot, and a winning attitude.

I don't feel Murray's upside is nearly as high.  I feel there's too much risk of Murry becoming just a one dimensional guy who can't do much more than shoot threes. 

I might actually agree also about Korkmaz having just as much upside as Murray.  Would rather try and snag him with the Dallas pick, and go for a legit start with the nets pick. 

I definately don't see Murray having anything near the potential of Simmons, Ingram or Hield.

I disagree

Chances are good

What you saying then there is a good chance someone from 4-6 have a decent chance to move up top a 2 or 3 pick


I'm no saying we will get 2 or 3 , but I say it's harder for 4-6 to leapfrog us to nab a 1-3 spot and 1-2 worst record teams to drop to 3

[alewilliam789]

I agree saying that if we get 3-4 that Murray is the pick. You all say that he has a lack of upside, but he is a 6'5" guard with a 6'7" wingspan and a 39" vertical. All those measurables are similar to a guy that all of us would like to have in C.J. McCollum. Both are killer 3 point shooters that can create offense and handle the ball. Their stats from their freshman years are almost exact and their advanced stats are almost exactly the same besides CJ being a better defensive rebounder. Muray actually had a better eFG% than McCollum and Murray actually finished better around the rim than the Lehigh guard. One aspect of the game that shows he can develop more into McCollum-like player is that Murray has shown is a handle and a mid range pull up game. When creating space he has shown that he can take 1 dribble and pull up on a dime. He's even shown an ability to run the pick and roll as well. Our team needs two things 3 point shooting and playmaking and Murray brings both of them. I think at worst he becomes a knockdown 3 point shooter that could be similar to a Booker type player, but I think with the added space of the NBA he continues to develop his handle and adds to his offensive repertoire.

[alewilliam789]

I agree saying that if we get 3-4 that Murray is the pick. You all say that he has a lack of upside, but he is a 6'5" guard with a 6'7" wingspan and a 39" vertical. All those measurables are similar to a guy that all of us would like to have in C.J. McCollum. Both are killer 3 point shooters that can create offense and handle the ball. Their stats from their freshman years are almost exact and their advanced stats are almost exactly the same besides CJ being a better defensive rebounder. Muray actually had a better eFG% than McCollum and Murray actually finished better around the rim than the Lehigh guard. One aspect of the game that shows he can develop more into McCollum-like player is that Murray has shown is a handle and a mid range pull up game. When creating space he has shown that he can take 1 dribble and pull up on a dime. He's even shown an ability to run the pick and roll as well. Our team needs two things 3 point shooting and playmaking and Murray brings both of them. I think at worst he becomes a knockdown 3 point shooter that could be similar to a Booker type player, but I think with the added space of the NBA he continues to develop his handle and adds to his offensive repertoire.

[cltc5]

Jm is nice

[IDreamCeltics]

Couldn't go wrong with him.  His game is made for the NBA.

[hwangjini_1]

I think I would rather have Dunn. I have no problem drafting a guard if he turns out to be an all-star. You wouldn't turn down drafting Damian Lillard because the C's have guards. The C's don't have a superstar. If Murray is the start then so be it. Delusional Danny can't afford to miss on this pick. God knows when they will get a pick this high again.

conceivably for the next two years.

[hwangjini_1]

A great alternative to Murray with the Bkn pick is Korkmaz with the Dallas pick. I'm not sure why Korkmaz is ranked so low on DX (#18), but he's just as appealing as Murray. Just as good a shooter if not better, at 46% from 3 on decent volume (last year: 42%). A really nice midrange game, quick high release, creates for himself and teammates off the dribble (72:42 ast/tov). He has better tools than Murray; he's also skinny, but he's 6'7 (Murray: 6'5) and surprisingly athletic considering his immature frame. He has great feel for the game-- timely passes, gets open for jumpers and layups, DX thinks he can play some PG. He's a good ballhandler with a nice crossover, and he plays with good change of pace. I honestly can't find an area of the game where Murray has a clear advantage, and I'm not sure why Korkmaz isn't a top-10 prospect.

on korkmaz, i believe the questions on him are his defense and athleticism. he has problems with both. but the first seems correctable. the latter is why he will be available and be a good off the bench player under CBS.

i would like either korkmaz or sabonis with dallas pick. both should be very good rotation players.

[Boris Badenov]

Everybody keeps talking about who we will pick at #3, but we actually have a veey slim chance at getting #3.  It would mean mean the team's with the top 3 odds finish top 3, which rarely ever happens.

Kinda more likely for us to get 2 or 4, with an outside chance at 1 or 5.

Anyway Regardless of where we fall, I would take Hield over Murray any day.  Even though he isn't the youngest rookie, he's an outstanding shooter...but also an all out scorer.  And he has potential to become a good defensive player, solid athleticism, good size for the 2 spot, and a winning attitude.

I don't feel Murray's upside is nearly as high.  I feel there's too much risk of Murry becoming just a one dimensional guy who can't do much more than shoot threes. 

I might actually agree also about Korkmaz having just as much upside as Murray.  Would rather try and snag him with the Dallas pick, and go for a legit start with the nets pick. 

I definately don't see Murray having anything near the potential of Simmons, Ingram or Hield.

I disagree

Chances are good

What you saying then there is a good chance someone from 4-6 have a decent chance to move up top a 2 or 3 pick


I'm no saying we will get 2 or 3 , but I say it's harder for 4-6 to leapfrog us to nab a 1-3 spot and 1-2 worst record teams to drop to 3

We have a 53% chance of drafting out of the top 3...so no, it's more likely that another team outside the top 3 moves into the top 3 (while we do not move into the top 2), thereby bumping us to 4-6.

[max215]

Everybody keeps talking about who we will pick at #3, but we actually have a veey slim chance at getting #3.  It would mean mean the team's with the top 3 odds finish top 3, which rarely ever happens.

Kinda more likely for us to get 2 or 4, with an outside chance at 1 or 5.

Anyway Regardless of where we fall, I would take Hield over Murray any day.  Even though he isn't the youngest rookie, he's an outstanding shooter...but also an all out scorer.  And he has potential to become a good defensive player, solid athleticism, good size for the 2 spot, and a winning attitude.

I don't feel Murray's upside is nearly as high.  I feel there's too much risk of Murry becoming just a one dimensional guy who can't do much more than shoot threes. 

I might actually agree also about Korkmaz having just as much upside as Murray.  Would rather try and snag him with the Dallas pick, and go for a legit start with the nets pick. 

I definately don't see Murray having anything near the potential of Simmons, Ingram or Hield.

I disagree

Chances are good

What you saying then there is a good chance someone from 4-6 have a decent chance to move up top a 2 or 3 pick


I'm no saying we will get 2 or 3 , but I say it's harder for 4-6 to leapfrog us to nab a 1-3 spot and 1-2 worst record teams to drop to 3

We have a 53% chance of drafting out of the top 3...so no, it's more likely that another team outside the top 3 moves into the top 3 (while we do not move into the top 2), thereby bumping us to 4-6.

No need to bring facts into the discussion .

[Boris Badenov]

Everybody keeps talking about who we will pick at #3, but we actually have a veey slim chance at getting #3.  It would mean mean the team's with the top 3 odds finish top 3, which rarely ever happens.

Kinda more likely for us to get 2 or 4, with an outside chance at 1 or 5.

Anyway Regardless of where we fall, I would take Hield over Murray any day.  Even though he isn't the youngest rookie, he's an outstanding shooter...but also an all out scorer.  And he has potential to become a good defensive player, solid athleticism, good size for the 2 spot, and a winning attitude.

I don't feel Murray's upside is nearly as high.  I feel there's too much risk of Murry becoming just a one dimensional guy who can't do much more than shoot threes. 

I might actually agree also about Korkmaz having just as much upside as Murray.  Would rather try and snag him with the Dallas pick, and go for a legit start with the nets pick. 

I definately don't see Murray having anything near the potential of Simmons, Ingram or Hield.

I disagree

Chances are good

What you saying then there is a good chance someone from 4-6 have a decent chance to move up top a 2 or 3 pick


I'm no saying we will get 2 or 3 , but I say it's harder for 4-6 to leapfrog us to nab a 1-3 spot and 1-2 worst record teams to drop to 3

We have a 53% chance of drafting out of the top 3...so no, it's more likely that another team outside the top 3 moves into the top 3 (while we do not move into the top 2), thereby bumping us to 4-6.

No need to bring facts into the discussion .

Here's another fact for you: there's only a 1.5% chance that the 1/2/3 seeds get the 1/2/3 picks, in order. (This means the rest of the draft would go in order as well).

Put another way: there's a 98.5% the actual draft order does not correspond to the order by ping-pong balls.