What are the implications of losing Avery Bradley?

[hwangjini_1]

honestly would not be surprised if we don't win a playoff game as currently constituted. and Stevens and Ainge will both be accountable.

Stevens for encouraging this team to settle for jumpers and Ainge for not providing actual shooters. although something tells me Ainge probably didn't expect this many jump shots being taken.

as for losing Bradley, we didn't have much of a chance with him so I don't expect much of a difference without him. however this team has a propensity for playing inspired ball when the time calls for it. so I could see 'em pulling one out - Atl in 4 or 5.

How do you come to this conclusion after we lost by only 1 point on the road after shooting uncharacteristically poor percentage, getting no foul calls, and losing one of our key players down the stretch?

have you noticed we've been having really poor offensive games lately? have you noticed our poor defense lately? well it's not a trend or a bad stretch.

this is who we've been all season - if our shots don't fall we don't play D. i'd say there were maybe 4 games this yr. where we overcame that, 2 of 'em happened in the last couple weeks.

I didn't come to this conclusion after game 1, I came to this conclusion after seeing them play all season. I expected the poor shooting/horrible D, the playoffs expose weaknesses or strengths.

After the first quarter, the Celtics had a very good defensive game, though, despite struggling offensively.  This kind of blows a hole in your theory that the team doesn't play d when the ball's not going in the basket.

not really, this was the exception not the rule.

celtics were 13th in the nba in opponent's point allowed this season.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/defense-per-game/sort/avgPointsOpponent

celtics were 4th in the nba in defensive efficiency.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/defensive-efficiency

celtics were 13th in the nba, and again above average, in defensive stats here.
http://www.oddsshark.com/nba/defensive-stats

the numbers seem to say that above average defense is the rule for this team, not the exception to it.

[libermaniac]

His shooting will be sorely missed, but I'm hoping that Rozier's ability to rebound may help to overcome that loss by hitting ATL where they are weakest - rebounding.  Hopefully, Rozier can grab 3-4 extra rebounds that will make up for Bradley's 2-3 extra missed shots.

[CoachBo]

honestly would not be surprised if we don't win a playoff game as currently constituted. and Stevens and Ainge will both be accountable.

Stevens for encouraging this team to settle for jumpers and Ainge for not providing actual shooters. although something tells me Ainge probably didn't expect this many jump shots being taken.

as for losing Bradley, we didn't have much of a chance with him so I don't expect much of a difference without him. however this team has a propensity for playing inspired ball when the time calls for it. so I could see 'em pulling one out - Atl in 4 or 5.

How do you come to this conclusion after we lost by only 1 point on the road after shooting uncharacteristically poor percentage, getting no foul calls, and losing one of our key players down the stretch?

have you noticed we've been having really poor offensive games lately? have you noticed our poor defense lately? well it's not a trend or a bad stretch.

this is who we've been all season - if our shots don't fall we don't play D. i'd say there were maybe 4 games this yr. where we overcame that, 2 of 'em happened in the last couple weeks.

I didn't come to this conclusion after game 1, I came to this conclusion after seeing them play all season. I expected the poor shooting/horrible D, the playoffs expose weaknesses or strengths.

After the first quarter, the Celtics had a very good defensive game, though, despite struggling offensively.  This kind of blows a hole in your theory that the team doesn't play d when the ball's not going in the basket.

not really, this was the exception not the rule.

celtics were 13th in the nba in opponent's point allowed this season.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/defense-per-game/sort/avgPointsOpponent

celtics were 4th in the nba in defensive efficiency.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/defensive-efficiency

celtics were 13th in the nba, and again above average, in defensive stats here.
http://www.oddsshark.com/nba/defensive-stats

the numbers seem to say that above average defense is the rule for this team, not the exception to it.

It has not been the rule late in the season at all, when these problems have become decidedly more acute. Apples vs. Oranges

[GreenWarrior]

honestly would not be surprised if we don't win a playoff game as currently constituted. and Stevens and Ainge will both be accountable.

Stevens for encouraging this team to settle for jumpers and Ainge for not providing actual shooters. although something tells me Ainge probably didn't expect this many jump shots being taken.

as for losing Bradley, we didn't have much of a chance with him so I don't expect much of a difference without him. however this team has a propensity for playing inspired ball when the time calls for it. so I could see 'em pulling one out - Atl in 4 or 5.

How do you come to this conclusion after we lost by only 1 point on the road after shooting uncharacteristically poor percentage, getting no foul calls, and losing one of our key players down the stretch?

have you noticed we've been having really poor offensive games lately? have you noticed our poor defense lately? well it's not a trend or a bad stretch.

this is who we've been all season - if our shots don't fall we don't play D. i'd say there were maybe 4 games this yr. where we overcame that, 2 of 'em happened in the last couple weeks.

I didn't come to this conclusion after game 1, I came to this conclusion after seeing them play all season. I expected the poor shooting/horrible D, the playoffs expose weaknesses or strengths.

After the first quarter, the Celtics had a very good defensive game, though, despite struggling offensively.  This kind of blows a hole in your theory that the team doesn't play d when the ball's not going in the basket.

not really, this was the exception not the rule.

celtics were 13th in the nba in opponent's point allowed this season.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/defense-per-game/sort/avgPointsOpponent

celtics were 4th in the nba in defensive efficiency.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/defensive-efficiency

celtics were 13th in the nba, and again above average, in defensive stats here.
http://www.oddsshark.com/nba/defensive-stats

the numbers seem to say that above average defense is the rule for this team, not the exception to it.

wow stats....

 

[bruinsandceltics]

wow stats....

Stats are a little better backup to ones argument then, "I've seen it with my eyes."

Just because you think you see something doesn't make it true.

[jpotter33]

Here's a positive take on this whole situation:

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/721768000836210688

"When Avery Bradley didn't play against the Hawks on Nov. 13, Marcus Smart started and Celtics won, 106-93. Only W against ATL this season." 

[GreenFaith1819]

Looks like an opportunity for someone else to step up.

I have no doubt in this team to remain competitive - it's what we do.

[mctyson]

It's really not that complicated.  Smart (and probably Turner) are going to get more minutes, and Rozier most likely will be added to the rotation so everyone can be rested appropriately

[CoachBo]

Nor is the injury the end of the world, necessarily. Bradley's shot selection often leaves something to be desired, and I suspect Teague would laugh himself sick at the lock-down moniker.

Next man up, or you deserve what happens to you.

[arctic 3.0]

While I expect Turner to move into the starting line up and rozier and possibly hunter will see minutes of the bench I'd prefer to see cbs take a page from pop's playbook.
I'd suggest starting rozier or hunter at the two.
This would provide continuity that would be missing if we promote Turner or Smart to the first unit.

[GreenWarrior]

wow stats....

Stats are a little better backup to ones argument then, "I've seen it with my eyes."

Just because you think you see something doesn't make it true.

well my eyes have gotten me this far.

listen, stats are nice to give you an indication of something, but they don't tell the whole story. they can't because they don't tell you if a guy is shooting poorly because he's tired, injured or sick. numbers can't account for everything when people are involved, you can't quantify emotion. if they did why would we watch the game? what's the point?

don't bother answering you won't sway me, because I trust my eyes more than I do numbers and stats.

besides the AB injury everything that's been happening with this team theses past couple weeks I've seen coming and I didn't need to look at the box score or go search deep in some data base on the internet. nope... I just watched the reg. season.

[hwangjini_1]

honestly would not be surprised if we don't win a playoff game as currently constituted. and Stevens and Ainge will both be accountable.

Stevens for encouraging this team to settle for jumpers and Ainge for not providing actual shooters. although something tells me Ainge probably didn't expect this many jump shots being taken.

as for losing Bradley, we didn't have much of a chance with him so I don't expect much of a difference without him. however this team has a propensity for playing inspired ball when the time calls for it. so I could see 'em pulling one out - Atl in 4 or 5.

How do you come to this conclusion after we lost by only 1 point on the road after shooting uncharacteristically poor percentage, getting no foul calls, and losing one of our key players down the stretch?

have you noticed we've been having really poor offensive games lately? have you noticed our poor defense lately? well it's not a trend or a bad stretch.

this is who we've been all season - if our shots don't fall we don't play D. i'd say there were maybe 4 games this yr. where we overcame that, 2 of 'em happened in the last couple weeks.

I didn't come to this conclusion after game 1, I came to this conclusion after seeing them play all season. I expected the poor shooting/horrible D, the playoffs expose weaknesses or strengths.

After the first quarter, the Celtics had a very good defensive game, though, despite struggling offensively.  This kind of blows a hole in your theory that the team doesn't play d when the ball's not going in the basket.

not really, this was the exception not the rule.

celtics were 13th in the nba in opponent's point allowed this season.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/defense-per-game/sort/avgPointsOpponent

celtics were 4th in the nba in defensive efficiency.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/defensive-efficiency

celtics were 13th in the nba, and again above average, in defensive stats here.
http://www.oddsshark.com/nba/defensive-stats

the numbers seem to say that above average defense is the rule for this team, not the exception to it.

It has not been the rule late in the season at all, when these problems have become decidedly more acute. Apples vs. Oranges

i looked at stats and drew a conclusion. you seem to be selecting those stats that fit a pre-existing thought. or at least that seemed to be a reasonable reading of your statements.

the stats stand as season stats. that the celitcs' defensive stat fluctuate over a season is not news. i dont see why we should pay attention to those stats that indicate poor defense but seemly ignore the stats that say good defense.

i would say the same thing were someone to cite only the stats that show great defense and ignore those that show otherwise.

final point on use of "eyes." no one says using one's eyes is automatically a bad thing. but we should all recognize that our eyes are guided to see those things we already believe to be important. that is, we confirm our biases as often as not since we seek out that data that has a pre-existing assumption of being true/important attached to it. often we will miss that which we are unaware of and downplay it, regardless of whether it is indeed important.

stats are not the end all and be all. but when "eyes" and stats differ, that is an invitation to rethink what it is the eyes are seeing and whether or not they are unconsciously missing something.

[tankcity!]

I don't think we can win this series without Bradley. There isn't enough shooting on our team.

[boscel33]

I believe it means you're going to see what the #6 pick two years ago is worth.  He's bigger than AB and people touted his D coming out of school.  It sure does tighten up the G rotation.

[GreenWarrior]

honestly would not be surprised if we don't win a playoff game as currently constituted. and Stevens and Ainge will both be accountable.

Stevens for encouraging this team to settle for jumpers and Ainge for not providing actual shooters. although something tells me Ainge probably didn't expect this many jump shots being taken.

as for losing Bradley, we didn't have much of a chance with him so I don't expect much of a difference without him. however this team has a propensity for playing inspired ball when the time calls for it. so I could see 'em pulling one out - Atl in 4 or 5.

How do you come to this conclusion after we lost by only 1 point on the road after shooting uncharacteristically poor percentage, getting no foul calls, and losing one of our key players down the stretch?

have you noticed we've been having really poor offensive games lately? have you noticed our poor defense lately? well it's not a trend or a bad stretch.

this is who we've been all season - if our shots don't fall we don't play D. i'd say there were maybe 4 games this yr. where we overcame that, 2 of 'em happened in the last couple weeks.

I didn't come to this conclusion after game 1, I came to this conclusion after seeing them play all season. I expected the poor shooting/horrible D, the playoffs expose weaknesses or strengths.

After the first quarter, the Celtics had a very good defensive game, though, despite struggling offensively.  This kind of blows a hole in your theory that the team doesn't play d when the ball's not going in the basket.

not really, this was the exception not the rule.

celtics were 13th in the nba in opponent's point allowed this season.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/defense-per-game/sort/avgPointsOpponent

celtics were 4th in the nba in defensive efficiency.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/defensive-efficiency

celtics were 13th in the nba, and again above average, in defensive stats here.
http://www.oddsshark.com/nba/defensive-stats

the numbers seem to say that above average defense is the rule for this team, not the exception to it.

It has not been the rule late in the season at all, when these problems have become decidedly more acute. Apples vs. Oranges

i looked at stats and drew a conclusion. you seem to be selecting those stats that fit a pre-existing thought. or at least that seemed to be a reasonable reading of your statements.

the stats stand as season stats. that the celitcs' defensive stat fluctuate over a season is not news. i dont see why we should pay attention to those stats that indicate poor defense but seemly ignore the stats that say good defense.

i would say the same thing were someone to cite only the stats that show great defense and ignore those that show otherwise.

final point on use of "eyes." no one says using one's eyes is automatically a bad thing. but we should all recognize that our eyes are guided to see those things we already believe to be important. that is, we confirm our biases as often as not since we seek out that data that has a pre-existing assumption of being true/important attached to it. often we will miss that which we are unaware of and downplay it, regardless of whether it is indeed important.

stats are not the end all and be all. but when "eyes" and stats differ, that is an invitation to rethink what it is the eyes are seeing and whether or not they are unconsciously missing something.

I've seen enough basketball in my time to come up with my own educated opinion. enough so that i'd rather listen to my own opinion than what stats say or the idiots on espn.

furthermore, it's interesting that in the game threads during the last few games or so everyone in there seems to have finally come to the realization about what's wrong with this team, what they need and just how mediocre some players really are. and these are all things I mentioned over the course of the last 2 seasons. yet all the while plenty of these same posters during that time dismissed most of these thoughts as stupid, untrue, wrong, etc. and even went so far to once again throw a bunch of useless stats at me...and yet here we are.