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Re: turner has not only been good
« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2016, 09:43:38 AM »

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Not only a clutch scorer, but an aggressive scorer too. He plays three positions, plays hard, literally a nice guy to have on your bench. But he's due for a serious increase in pay... for me it depends on if we have any hope to sign a major FA.

If we ever had the chance to sign Durant, and needed cap space, it would be Turner who?

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« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2016, 09:58:49 AM »

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I like the way Tommy Heinson says the word, "Turner."

Re: turner has not only been good
« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2016, 12:29:48 PM »

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If Smart ever finds a jumper, especially a 3pt, all will be forgiven. He can play out his rookie deal looking for one. I have always looked at him as a combo guard anyway, not a point.

As to Turner, we have to resign him if we can. A 2 year 25 million front loaded with an option for 3 at 12 million is about what it may cost. That is tradeable if he is playing decent and we need to move him for a younger or better player.
My thoughts exactly. Smart rose up in ATL in game 1. Smart will work to be better. I think all our team will. Ainge is going to have an offseason like no GM has ever had. Great Young Talent, Too Many picks and Money to spend. Turner i hope does come back. He is perfect 7 guy. He can conver 3 postions better than almost anyone in the League. I think DA has a special like for him, too.
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Re: turner has not only been good
« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2016, 12:44:41 PM »

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I think Smart would be a lot better if Danny upgraded the talent around him and allowed  him to be the primary ball handler more often.

Only so much money to go around.  So you can overpay for Turner or go after Durant, Hortford...
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Re: turner has not only been good
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2016, 09:35:12 AM »

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I want Turner to come back next year...but at the right price. He could very well turn out to be an elite 6th man, but I would still hate to see Danny overpay him.
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« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2016, 09:39:18 AM »

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If Smart ever finds a jumper, especially a 3pt, all will be forgiven. He can play out his rookie deal looking for one. I have always looked at him as a combo guard anyway, not a point.
It is now increasingly looking like it will be more important for him to find a brain rather than a jumper. Too many brain farts that are costing us games.
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« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2016, 10:42:49 AM »

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I have no interest whatsoever in forcing an underachieving Smart into the lineup. If he can't earn his way in, and he most assuredly has not, then he should either come off the bench or be moved.

Smart's progression is in his hands. It has nothing to do with one of the most consistent players on this roster, Turner, who certainly should be resigned.

Tough love, but have to agree with Coach Bo.

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« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2016, 10:46:02 AM »

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Turner is Exhibit A that a player can actually turn his career around with a combination of hard work and great coaching.  He obviously was the major reason he turned his game around from going down a huge draft bust into a real player. But credit also goes to Stevens for figuring out how to play most to Turner's strengths (leading with the ball rather than off the ball) and minimizing his weaknesses (limit 3 point shots!!).

This rarely happens in the NBA. Wonder what Stevens could have done for other high pick failures like Beasely, Bennett and Darko. Will probably never know.

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« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2016, 11:04:02 AM »

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According to today's SMOY vote Turner is the 5th best bench player in the league. You keep players like that.

Stats can be deceiving and the eye test doesn't always tell the whole story. Both are facts.

Turner means to much to this team's overall structure and performance to be discarded simply to make room for a smart to do all the ball handling on the second team. You don't throw away very valuable assets to simply develop another. There is no reason Smart can't develop with Turner on this team and playing alongside Smart.

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« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2016, 11:12:08 AM »

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According to today's SMOY vote Turner is the 5th best bench player in the league. You keep players like that.

Stats can be deceiving and the eye test doesn't always tell the whole story. Both are facts.

Turner means to much to this team's overall structure and performance to be discarded simply to make room for a smart to do all the ball handling on the second team. You don't throw away very valuable assets to simply develop another. There is no reason Smart can't develop with Turner on this team and playing alongside Smart.

Nick, what would be the maximum amount of money per year you would give Turner?

Would you sacrifice the chance of getting 2 max players to resign him?
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« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2016, 11:19:58 AM »

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Media perception is just another opinion to consider. Given historical voting of only for bench gunners I don't put 6th man of the year as a useful barometer of a players value.

Turner is a useful band aid for our roster issues. But given that we're looking to add elite talent I don't want to spend too many resources on a flexible reserve piece.

Especially given that he's always struggled when given a more typical bench role. (aka low 20s or less in minutes)

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« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2016, 11:22:36 AM »

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According to today's SMOY vote Turner is the 5th best bench player in the league. You keep players like that.

Stats can be deceiving and the eye test doesn't always tell the whole story. Both are facts.

Turner means to much to this team's overall structure and performance to be discarded simply to make room for a smart to do all the ball handling on the second team. You don't throw away very valuable assets to simply develop another. There is no reason Smart can't develop with Turner on this team and playing alongside Smart.

Nick, what would be the maximum amount of money per year you would give Turner?

Would you sacrifice the chance of getting 2 max players to resign him?

Nobody is going to turn away Durant and Horford, but that isn't likely. If Turner is willing to come back for a reasonable amount, his salary should be very tradable next off-season (when the cap increases even more) should a free agent star want to join us then.

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« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2016, 11:29:42 AM »

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According to today's SMOY vote Turner is the 5th best bench player in the league. You keep players like that.

Stats can be deceiving and the eye test doesn't always tell the whole story. Both are facts.

Turner means to much to this team's overall structure and performance to be discarded simply to make room for a smart to do all the ball handling on the second team. You don't throw away very valuable assets to simply develop another. There is no reason Smart can't develop with Turner on this team and playing alongside Smart.

Nick, what would be the maximum amount of money per year you would give Turner?

Would you sacrifice the chance of getting 2 max players to resign him?

Nobody is going to turn away Durant and Horford, but that isn't likely. If Turner is willing to come back for a reasonable amount, his salary should be very tradable next off-season (when the cap increases even more) should a free agent star want to join us then.
Reasonable amount is going to be like $15 million or something crazy based on current rumors and estimate.

And counting on being able to trade a contract in just a year is a bad way to run your roster and cap. Dumping players has a cost even when the players are useful when teams know you have to make the move for a bigger move. Easy way to lose necessary picks.

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« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2016, 11:40:37 AM »

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Media perception is just another opinion to consider. Given historical voting of only for bench gunners I don't put 6th man of the year as a useful barometer of a players value.

Turner is a useful band aid for our roster issues. But given that we're looking to add elite talent I don't want to spend too many resources on a flexible reserve piece.

Especially given that he's always struggled when given a more typical bench role. (aka low 20s or less in minutes)

This is my biggest concern....is he's actually worth paying top money for at this point? If Turner has already hit his ceiling, and this is the best we can expect from him, then the answer is probably "no"...right?

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« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2016, 11:48:33 AM »

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According to today's SMOY vote Turner is the 5th best bench player in the league. You keep players like that.

Stats can be deceiving and the eye test doesn't always tell the whole story. Both are facts.

Turner means to much to this team's overall structure and performance to be discarded simply to make room for a smart to do all the ball handling on the second team. You don't throw away very valuable assets to simply develop another. There is no reason Smart can't develop with Turner on this team and playing alongside Smart.

Nick, what would be the maximum amount of money per year you would give Turner?

Would you sacrifice the chance of getting 2 max players to resign him?

Nobody is going to turn away Durant and Horford, but that isn't likely. If Turner is willing to come back for a reasonable amount, his salary should be very tradable next off-season (when the cap increases even more) should a free agent star want to join us then.

Horford is not worth a max deal. I'd rather over-pay Turner a little than give Horford a max deal.