NBA breaks 2016 Draft Order Tie Breakers with coin toss. News on Mavs Pick

[PhoSita]

This is dumb, just plain dumb.

Atlanta gets the better playoff seed AND the better pick?

Bad rule.

The draft order should go by the same tie breakers to determine playoff seed.

It seems pretty unlikely to really matter.  Who cares who we pick in the 20s in this draft?  We're all hoping that pick gets packaged with others to turn into some players who can make an impact next year.

I'm not worried over picking 23 versus 21, it's such a small difference at that point in the draft.

But that's not really the point. As Lucky mentioned above, it's illogical to not have the draft order match the playoffs seeds.  There is no good reason I can think of to have the criteria differ.

Well, I think they probably do the coin flips near the top of the draft for the sake of fairness, where draft positioning matters a lot more, and later in the draft it makes sense to be consistent with how tiebreakers are done earlier in the draft.

I think it would be perfectly fine to break ties in the draft lottery differently than the non-lottery portion of the draft.  They sort of already do.

I assume if two team tie for the 8th seed in their conference, which obviously would mean the tie needs to broken by normal tie breaker rules, they don't then break the tie for draft positioning separately (by coin flip), as that would potentially result in a team making the playoffs and also winning the draft lottery.

That's a fair point.

I'm pretty much OK with the way they do it now, though.  I don't particularly like the idea of rewarding teams in the draft because they lost a head-to-head matchup in the regular season or whatever, anyway.

I think a coin flip makes sense at the top of the draft, where position really matters.  Position doesn't matter nearly as much later on in the draft, so I don't care that they use a coin flip.  It's just not an important issue to me.

[footey]

If we were to package the 16th and the 23rd pick, what is realistic slot we could trade up to? 12?  There must be some reasonable rule of thumb to this.

[hpantazo]

If we were to package the 16th and the 23rd pick, what is realistic slot we could trade up to? 12?  There must be some reasonable rule of thumb to this.

Ask Michael Jordan about reasonable rules regarding trading up.

[Atzar]

If we were to package the 16th and the 23rd pick, what is realistic slot we could trade up to? 12?  There must be some reasonable rule of thumb to this.

Hard to say.  For reference, we got Olynyk at #13 by swapping our #16 and two seconds.  On the surface, #16 and #23 would seem to be more valuable.  But these situations are never perfectly symmetrical.

[alldaboston]

The funny part is, these weren't even "coin tosses". They were just ping pong balls again.

I've also noticed something. We won the tiebreaker when it was the Dallas pick involved. But when it was our own pick, we didn't fare too well. Well now, we have the NETS pick, not our pick. Hopefully the nets pick brings better luck than our own pick would.

[trickybilly]

The funny part is, these weren't even "coin tosses". They were just ping pong balls again.

I've also noticed something. We won the tiebreaker when it was the Dallas pick involved. But when it was our own pick, we didn't fare too well. Well now, we have the NETS pick, not our pick. Hopefully the nets pick brings better luck than our own pick would.

This is the kind of well thought out, targeted, superstition that will land us Simmons/Ingram. TP.