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Re: Assuming the draft order stays as is...
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2016, 02:42:37 PM »

Offline HuskerCeltic

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I think we will be able to trade the #3 pick for better value. I assume that picks 1 and 2 will be locked in with Ingram and Simmons and that those picks won't be up for trade. After that you have every other team desperate to jump ahead of teams in the 4/5/6 picks to get who they fell in love with pre-draft. The #3 pick to me would be the highest available pick for trade. The only problem is getting back a player and not more picks. Either way there should be plenty of offers that are of greater value than using the pick on Bender/Hield/Murray/Dunn.

Re: Assuming the draft order stays as is...
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2016, 02:51:59 PM »

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If we get #3, I'd shop it hard to Philly / Chicago / Sacramento, and then when that failed, I'd cross my fingers and draft Bender.
I'd almost rather just move back in the draft than pick at 3 (and I don't really think any of those teams are going to want 3 at least at the value Boston would want it to be).

So there are some trades I came up with (assuming no changes in draft order)

Denver - 3, Bradley, Jerekbo for 7, Gallinari
Milwaukee - 3, Bradley for 8, Parker
Toronto - 3, 31, Bradley, Olynyk for 10, 27, DeRozan
Orlando - 3, Jerekbo for 11, Gordon or Hezonja

No idea if any of those teams would be interested, but in a vacuum I think those are reasonable trades for both teams.

Not for nothing but these trades are CRAZY.  We're giving up the 3rd pick in the draft, and Bradley in 3 of the 4 trades you suggest.  Bradley is no scrub player you just toss in.  Specially for Gallinari he is a scrub player compared to Bradley, when Bradley play two ways.  I rather Bradley over Parker.  DeRozan is only signed for one year and going to want max next year, he's not worth the trade.  The only trade that's kinda interesting is your Magic trade but even then, I'm not in love with anybody who's going to be at 11. 

We're better just staying at the 3 out of all of these trades. 

Re: Assuming the draft order stays as is...
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2016, 03:01:17 PM »

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Right now I don't see much daylight between Brown, Bender, Poeltl, Murray and Dunn. If I were Ainge I'd be picking between those guys based on the workout. It would be especially important for Bender. If none of these guys stood out, I'd try to trade down, or to trade out (would the Sixers trade Noel? Would the Nuggets trade Jokic?). Forced to make the pick based on current info, I guess I'd take Brown, who at least plays a position of need for us. Or maybe Poeltl? Or Murray? So tough.

Re: Assuming the draft order stays as is...
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2016, 03:13:02 PM »

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Who knows with Simmons, last year Okafor was a lock for the #1, and he went third. I could see Philly or the Lakers making a panic move not to miss out on the next "Porzingis" and taking Bender too high. If we stay at 3, I wait until draft night to make a trade to see how the top 2 shake out. If Simmons and Ingram are gone, trade it for Okafor, unless Bender blows us away in workouts.

Last week on the 98.5 The Sports Hub, they were saying Philly fans were saying (via Twitter and forums) that they wanted the Nets pick and Rozier for Okafor... If the pick is 3 or 4, seems like a no brainer.

Re: Assuming the draft order stays as is...
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2016, 03:53:48 PM »

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People think that a team wo't trade down, but if Philly wants to grab Dunn and probably won't at 2nd overall, we could send them our picks and let them stash up on promising prospects while letting us grab Ingram or Simmons at 2.

Re: Assuming the draft order stays as is...
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2016, 04:59:30 PM »

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If we get #3, I'd shop it hard to Philly / Chicago / Sacramento, and then when that failed, I'd cross my fingers and draft Bender.
I'd almost rather just move back in the draft than pick at 3 (and I don't really think any of those teams are going to want 3 at least at the value Boston would want it to be).

So there are some trades I came up with (assuming no changes in draft order)

Denver - 3, Bradley, Jerekbo for 7, Gallinari
Milwaukee - 3, Bradley for 8, Parker
Toronto - 3, 31, Bradley, Olynyk for 10, 27, DeRozan
Orlando - 3, Jerekbo for 11, Gordon or Hezonja

No idea if any of those teams would be interested, but in a vacuum I think those are reasonable trades for both teams.

Not for nothing but these trades are CRAZY.  We're giving up the 3rd pick in the draft, and Bradley in 3 of the 4 trades you suggest.  Bradley is no scrub player you just toss in.  Specially for Gallinari he is a scrub player compared to Bradley, when Bradley play two ways.  I rather Bradley over Parker.  DeRozan is only signed for one year and going to want max next year, he's not worth the trade.  The only trade that's kinda interesting is your Magic trade but even then, I'm not in love with anybody who's going to be at 11. 

We're better just staying at the 3 out of all of these trades.
Bradley is a nice player, but he is basically fully formed at this point (this was his 6th season after all).  He isn't going to be much more than a nice rotation level player for a contending team.  He wasn't thrown in as a scrub, but he has less value than Gallinari, Parker, and DeRozan and it isn't really all that close.  You make up the difference between those players by giving up the 3rd pick to move back a few spots and into a position where you still might get the guy you would have taken at 3.  Makes perfect sense. 
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Re: Assuming the draft order stays as is...
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2016, 05:16:20 PM »

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So there are some trades I came up with (assuming no changes in draft order)

Denver - 3, Bradley, Jerekbo for 7, Gallinari
Milwaukee - 3, Bradley for 8, Parker
Toronto - 3, 31, Bradley, Olynyk for 10, 27, DeRozan
Orlando - 3, Jerekbo for 11, Gordon or Hezonja

No idea if any of those teams would be interested, but in a vacuum I think those are reasonable trades for both teams.


1. Uh uh.  No way.  Gallo is damaged goods at this point, I don't trust him to play more than 40-50 games in a season.

2. I rather doubt Milwaukee will look to trade Jabari, but if they do, they'd expect the BRK pick and Smart or Bradley without including their own top 10 pick.

3. Derozan will be a free agent.

4. I don't really see the incentive for Orlando to trade Gordon.  Hezonja is not a good enough prospect to warrant trading the #3, even if the Celts are getting #11 in return.  If we're trading with Orlando, I'd go after Oladipo or Vucevic.
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Re: Assuming the draft order stays as is...
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2016, 05:56:02 PM »

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Something that I think is interesting about this draft is that the Laker's pick that the 76ers hold is only top 3 protected.  The Lakers only have a 55% chance of staying in the top 3.  So there is a 45% chance that the Sixers could get say #1 or #2 and #4 or #5.  For example, Boston gets #!, Philly #2, PHO #3, then the Sixers get #4, wow.  This could really change the draft trade dynamics, especially in terms of the Sixers trading Okafor or Noel.

In terms of us getting the 3rd pick, it is great but I am not excited enough about any of the prospects that I wouldn't be willing to trade for the right deal.  I suspect we won't trade it though.  Maybe something smaller involving our other picks.  For example trading the Dallas pick for a future first, just to spread things out some.
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Re: Assuming the draft order stays as is...
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2016, 06:22:15 PM »

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Statistically isn't it the most unlikely that we get the 3rd pick?

I agree with many sentiments here.  I don't like Bender AT ALL and I think Hield is about as good as he'll get (to me his ceiling is Reddick, maybe a little better, which is very good but not #3 overall).

I like Dunn as the 3rd best prospect but he just adds to the glut of confusion the Celtics already have.  I don't like Brown at all.  I don't like Poetl as projected.  I am intrigued by Murray and it seems Danny likes him.

Ideally I would try to get Noel with some combination including the BK pick if we don't get top 2.  It sounds like Cousins is not available. 

The players I do like for the Celtics have a lot more value later in the draft (Stone, Rabb, Valentine, Zimmerman, Maker, AJ Hammons).  I think it would be smart to keep a couple picks and get at least 1 big who can develop.

Re: Assuming the draft order stays as is...
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2016, 06:43:20 PM »

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We have a slightly better than 70% shot at landing in a top 4 pick. I like those odds. To me, we will either get a very good player at 3 or 4, or have a real good bargaining chip to centerpiece a trade for a very good veteran.  (And I don't mean Kevin Love, whom I don't want).

Re: Assuming the draft order stays as is...
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2016, 07:23:17 PM »

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I will be happy to see, Hield, Denzel Valentine, Taurean Prince, Damien Jones and call it a day.

Re: Assuming the draft order stays as is...
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2016, 08:05:01 PM »

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I will be happy to see, Hield, Denzel Valentine, Taurean Prince, Damien Jones and call it a day.

There is just no way we are adding four rookies.  Hopefully we get a top three and take one of Ingram, Bender, or Simmons.  Then I'd see us packaging two firsts, and two seconds to move up and select someone, or keeping one first and turning the other with a second or two into a future first.

We just can't have four rookies plus three from last year on the team.  Seven spots for first and second year guys just isn't going to happen.

Or obviously we will probably draft some stash guys.

Re: Assuming the draft order stays as is...
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2016, 08:15:21 PM »

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People think that a team wo't trade down, but if Philly wants to grab Dunn and probably won't at 2nd overall, we could send them our picks and let them stash up on promising prospects while letting us grab Ingram or Simmons at 2.

In that situation I would more expect them to draft Simmons and Ingram and then trade Okafor for Dunn and an additional pick
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Re: Assuming the draft order stays as is...
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2016, 08:27:14 PM »

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Good God this post is depressing. I'm going to pray for a top 2 pick.

Re: Assuming the draft order stays as is...
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2016, 09:20:25 PM »

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ive been looking at who we can get with the 3rd
and tbh i dont think any of them really fit our needs
it would be a godsend for us to be able to pick either simmons or ingram
too much uncertainty with bender
and i dont think the rest of the class has the same potential of all star calibre players that those 3 can develop into that we should be able to choose with a high lottery pick