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Re: Kobe - 60 pts
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2016, 11:40:45 AM »

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When was the last time someone took 50 shots in an NBA game?

It hasn't happened since at least 1984.

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When was the last time someone took 21 3s?

JR Smith took 22 (made 10) in April 2014.

Kobe's total was tied for second since 1984.

Meanwhile Steph had 46 points...on 24 shots.

The torch has been passed.

To be clear, I don't have a problem with it under the circumstances. But I do think it kind of sums up Kobe in a nutshell.

To me, what would have been really cool? Post a triple double in your final game. Or 20 assists. But still pretty amazing to put up 60, no matter how you do it....

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Re: Kobe - 60 pts
« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2016, 11:50:12 AM »

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Pretty symbolic end to the season last night. The torch indeed was passed, from a style of play standpoint. Kobe's isolation offense style , popularized by his idol MJ who's team had won 72 games playing it, was passed to the GS team scoring 73 wins style of offense.

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« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2016, 12:18:15 PM »

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I watched this game.
 
The Jazz gave Kobe 4 points.  They basically let him get 2 layups early in the game.  That was it.  Everything else Kobe was highly contested. 

Kobe made a ton of difficult shots.

He hit the final 7 shots to come back from 10 down with 3 minutes to go.

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for anyone that didn't, it's worth going back and watching some of the tape, down the stretch Kobe was unstoppable.  as a basketball fan, it was something to behold. 

sure it was all a show, but you can't deny what an electric show it was.  he single handedly brought them back down the stretch.  might have been the only time i've actually seen the staples ctr fans standing up & being loud. 

to be able to muster that kind of performance at his age, after a 20yr career -- that's unlike anything we've really seen before and adds merit to the debate that he's one of the top ten all time greats. 

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« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2016, 12:22:32 PM »

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I watched this game.
 
The Jazz gave Kobe 4 points.  They basically let him get 2 layups early in the game.  That was it.  Everything else Kobe was highly contested. 

Kobe made a ton of difficult shots.

He hit the final 7 shots to come back from 10 down with 3 minutes to go.

TP.
for anyone that didn't, it's worth going back and watching some of the tape, down the stretch Kobe was unstoppable.  as a basketball fan, it was something to behold. 

sure it was all a show, but you can't deny what an electric show it was.  he single handedly brought them back down the stretch.  might have been the only time i've actually seen the staples ctr fans standing up & being loud. 

to be able to muster that kind of performance at his age, after a 20yr career -- that's unlike anything we've really seen before and adds merit to the debate that he's one of the top ten all time greats. 

I saw most of the 2nd half.  Kobe was chucking a LOT (of course) but down the stretch he was absolutely electric.  Most people, including me, figured the game was basically decided and he was just trying to get to 50 before coming out, but then he started coming after the lead too.  It was a lot of fun to watch, and I HATE Kobe.  Er, hated.   ;D

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« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2016, 12:46:50 PM »

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Pretty symbolic end to the season last night. The torch indeed was passed, from a style of play standpoint. Kobe's isolation offense style , popularized by his idol MJ who's team had won 72 games playing it, was passed to the GS team scoring 73 wins style of offense.


Kobe and MJ both retired after game winning shots against Utah.  :)
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Re: Kobe - 60 pts
« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2016, 12:49:18 PM »

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yeah 1.2 points per shot is just not very good.



"Who cares about that stuff man?  I play to WIN!"


Kobe never saw a shot opportunity for himself that he didn't naturally assume was the best outcome for his team on that particular possession.

What was best for Kobe's teams, in Kobe's eyes, was always what was best for Kobe.


God bless him, he went out true to form.
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« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2016, 12:50:35 PM »

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It really sickens me that even today, on the last game of the career of an undebiable all time great, people still need to hunt for excuses to hate on Kobe and undermine his accomplishments.

On one side it's people complaining that he could have had more rings if he kept Shaq around...on the other side it's people complaining about how many shots he took to get his points today.

People - Kobe Bryant is 37 years of age.  When was the last time you saw a 37 year old score 60 points, under ANY circumstances, in an NBA game, against NBA defence?

Has it ever happened? If so it can't have been many times. 

I am 30 years old and i start struggling with my shot after about 40 minutes of slow paced basketball, in a pickup game, against complete amateurs.  My legs go, my arms go, and i struggle to even get shots off.

That Kobe even has the energy and athleticism to get 50 shots off against an NBA defence (and a pretty good one too) at the age of 37 is simply mindblowing.  For him to actually MAKE almost half of those shots (and go 10-12 from the line) is rediculously impressive.

You look at the best scorers in the game today - Curry, Cousins, Davis, Lebron, Durant, Harden, Melo, Westbrook.  Those guys are the absolute elite offensive players in the NBA and in their physical prime, and everey one of those guys would have a very hard trying to score 60 on 44% shooting against ANY NBA team on ANY night.

This guy just did it at the age of 37, in the final game of his NBA career, against a playoff calibre team.

I don't care what anybody days, that is godlike.


 

Re: Kobe - 60 pts
« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2016, 01:02:38 PM »

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It really sickens me that even today, on the last game of the career of an undebiable all time great, people still need to hunt for excuses to hate on Kobe and undermine his accomplishments.

....

People - Kobe Bryant is 37 years of age.  When was the last time you saw a 37 year old score 60 points, under ANY circumstances, in an NBA game, against NBA defence?

Has it ever happened? If so it can't have been many times. 


Yes, by all means, let's worship an accomplishment of dumbfounding ball-hoggery.


50 shots by a single player really shouldn't ever happen.  There's no way the Lakers are a better team with Kobe taking all of those shots.

And really, I don't look at it in the context of one game.  Kobe has throttled that team the last few years by playing exactly like he did last night, just with less gusto.  They've been in limbo, and they've made no progress in actually building a real team, because of his continued presence on that roster.  Because he had no interest in transitioning to a role less than the absolute focal point, end-all be-all of the Lakers.

Last night was his last hurrah, and [dang]ed if anybody but him was going to get any of the spotlight.

That's Kobe.  Good riddance.


Kobe is the greatest player ever to consistently not elevate his team, and even less often elevate his teammates.

Kobe won 5 titles.  At least one of those times he was probably the best player on his team.  He had a great career.

Still, I'll take Tim Duncan, or even Steve Nash, any day of the week. 

Kobe might be the only great player who was smart enough and experienced enough to understand "the secret," only to say, "Nah!" and keep playing the way he wanted anyway.


How many Kobe teams were better than the sum of their parts?

You wanna talk about how Kobe ended his career, how about the fact that his presence effectively ensured the two worst seasons in Lakers history?  Why should 60 points on 50 shots in a meaningless game in April change that?
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Re: Kobe - 60 pts
« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2016, 01:13:00 PM »

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The media drooling over Kobe for this game is the same reason Bill Russell is perceived as only the 7th best player in NBA history. It's no longer about winning, it's about me-me-me.

Kobe in many ways carried the torch from Jordan to the new era. And I don't mean that in a good way. Jordan's career coincided with the rise of Nike, and the flashy new nature of team sports and the incessive marketing of its superstars. But at the end of the day Jordan was hyper obsessed with winning. And that's what he did, over and over and over.

Kobe was a ruthless competitor, don't get me wrong. But somewhere along the line, "going out on top" became about taking the most shots in 40 years and giving away toy helicopters to early arrivers to Staples Center. You can see the same thing in Jeter's final season, when he and his team were terrible, and nobody seemed to care.

You know how Bill Russell went out? At the age of 35, by grabbing 21 rebounds and breaking the hearts of Wilt, Jerry West, and a heavily-favored Laker team. For his 11th championship.
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« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2016, 03:53:25 AM »

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The media drooling over Kobe for this game is the same reason Bill Russell is perceived as only the 7th best player in NBA history. It's no longer about winning, it's about me-me-me.

Kobe in many ways carried the torch from Jordan to the new era. And I don't mean that in a good way. Jordan's career coincided with the rise of Nike, and the flashy new nature of team sports and the incessive marketing of its superstars. But at the end of the day Jordan was hyper obsessed with winning. And that's what he did, over and over and over.

Kobe was a ruthless competitor, don't get me wrong. But somewhere along the line, "going out on top" became about taking the most shots in 40 years and giving away toy helicopters to early arrivers to Staples Center. You can see the same thing in Jeter's final season, when he and his team were terrible, and nobody seemed to care.

You know how Bill Russell went out? At the age of 35, by grabbing 21 rebounds and breaking the hearts of Wilt, Jerry West, and a heavily-favored Laker team. For his 11th championship.

Valid points although i don`t think that BR played nearly as many games as KB. Still you are right , today media have to create (because we as spectators ask for) drama and heroes. And we are talking about a city built on image and media. So yes it`s unfair for many other great players who retired but it doesn`t mean that we should balance it by doing the completely opposite

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« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2016, 05:43:10 AM »

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Pretty symbolic end to the season last night. The torch indeed was passed, from a style of play standpoint. Kobe's isolation offense style , popularized by his idol MJ who's team had won 72 games playing it, was passed to the GS team scoring 73 wins style of offense.


Kobe and MJ both retired after game winning shots against Utah.  :)

but MJ came back, so I predicting a Kobe return???

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« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2016, 05:46:02 AM »

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The media drooling over Kobe for this game is the same reason Bill Russell is perceived as only the 7th best player in NBA history. It's no longer about winning, it's about me-me-me.

Kobe in many ways carried the torch from Jordan to the new era. And I don't mean that in a good way. Jordan's career coincided with the rise of Nike, and the flashy new nature of team sports and the incessive marketing of its superstars. But at the end of the day Jordan was hyper obsessed with winning. And that's what he did, over and over and over.

Kobe was a ruthless competitor, don't get me wrong. But somewhere along the line, "going out on top" became about taking the most shots in 40 years and giving away toy helicopters to early arrivers to Staples Center. You can see the same thing in Jeter's final season, when he and his team were terrible, and nobody seemed to care.

You know how Bill Russell went out? At the age of 35, by grabbing 21 rebounds and breaking the hearts of Wilt, Jerry West, and a heavily-favored Laker team. For his 11th championship.

TP

Well said

The business side of the sport/entertainment industry has taken over , Kudos to those who made a profit off of Kobe's last season.

The generation who grew up watching this unfold may take Kobe's lead and take the game further in the wrong direction , money notwithstanding.





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« Reply #42 on: April 15, 2016, 07:18:50 AM »

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It is pretty clear that Utah played no defense, and his team mates fed him the ball almost every time.     Kobe was a great player, but this game felt manufactured.  50 Shots?  NBA is Scamtastic!  Sometimes I feel the game I love is almost worse than WWE in terms of honesty.

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« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2016, 08:21:44 AM »

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Disappointed in the hating in this thread. It's clear to me that most people that are bashing did not watch the game. There were multiple times in the game where Utah picked Kobe up full court. There were times they doubled. So please, don't insult us by saying there was no defense if you didn't watch the game.

The Lakers won their 17th game Wednesday night. Is it really a big deal that Kobe took 50 shots? I don't think so. Yes he took some bad shots, but who cares. Appreciate greatness. I hate the Lakers and I hated Kobe, but I witnessed greatness Wednesday night, and I will never forget that game.

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« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2016, 08:32:56 AM »

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i dont mind kobe for trying to go off on his last game
jazz probably did not mind as they got knocked off the playoffs
Lakers obviously were out before the season started

Kobe looked like he still had fight in him
I would not be surprised if he came back
but only if Lakers were built into contention and he would probably be coming off the bench

 considering the spurs + warriors at the top, and LA just looking horrible this season = a quick turnaround for them is extremely unlikely