Noel's Latest

[Boris Badenov]

He'll pay the bill and move on.

Does your opinion of him change if he insists on fighting this in court and loses instead of paying the bill and moving on?

Not really. The damages seem inflated to me. He has a right to contest them.

Yeah. Is it so implausible that even though Noel left the place a mess, the primary effect when the landlord saw it was seeing dollar signs?

Sue the NBA player and send it to TMZ...instant paycheck. Noel's handlers have a huge incentive to just pay up and make it go away.

Look. He's a 21 year old kid. He did a stupid 21 year old kid thing.

But assuming he pays what he fairly owes, his actions did no discernible harm to any other human being on the planet.

Nor, I suspect, will this single incident do any discernible harm to his value around the league.

[Evantime34]

He'll pay the bill and move on.

Does your opinion of him change if he insists on fighting this in court and loses instead of paying the bill and moving on?

Not really. The damages seem inflated to me. He has a right to contest them.

Yeah. Is it so implausible that even though Noel left the place a mess, the primary effect when the landlord saw it was seeing dollar signs?

Sue the NBA player and send it to TMZ...instant paycheck. Noel's handlers have a huge incentive to just pay up and make it go away.

Look. He's a 21 year old kid. He did a stupid 21 year old kid thing.

But assuming he pays what he fairly owes, his actions did no discernible harm to any other human being on the planet.

Nor, I suspect, will this single incident do any discernible harm to his value around the league.

He didn't pay the bills and move on, after he was sent the bill he had a tombstone made and delivered to the owners door. Maybe it was meant as a joke but it was taken as a threat. Now the owners are not only suing him for messing up their property but threatening them.

Even if he just pays the new bill, that bill got a lot higher after the tomb stone.

[moiso]

This kid isn't even that good, and this stuff too. smh

Yep.  Not that good.  Too much fascination with a guy that's not very good.

[Boris Badenov]

He'll pay the bill and move on.

Does your opinion of him change if he insists on fighting this in court and loses instead of paying the bill and moving on?

Not really. The damages seem inflated to me. He has a right to contest them.

Yeah. Is it so implausible that even though Noel left the place a mess, the primary effect when the landlord saw it was seeing dollar signs?

Sue the NBA player and send it to TMZ...instant paycheck. Noel's handlers have a huge incentive to just pay up and make it go away.

Look. He's a 21 year old kid. He did a stupid 21 year old kid thing.

But assuming he pays what he fairly owes, his actions did no discernible harm to any other human being on the planet.

Nor, I suspect, will this single incident do any discernible harm to his value around the league.

He didn't pay the bills and move on, after he was sent the bill he had a tombstone made and delivered to the owners door. Maybe it was meant as a joke but it was taken as a threat. Now the owners are not only suing him for messing up their property but threatening them.

Even if he just pays the new bill, that bill got a lot higher after the tomb stone.

If you take "the incident" to include sending the tombstone, everything I wrote above is still true.

Stupid stunt. Costly. But still, on the spectrum of stupid things that 21 year olds do, pretty minor. I find it much more plausible that the tombstone simply made the dollar signs bigger, rather than actually being perceived as a serious threat.

If he had a history of violence or links to bad actors, that might be different. And if such a history is out there and I'm unaware of it, then I'll fully retract what I've said.

[jambr380]

He'll pay the bill and move on.

Does your opinion of him change if he insists on fighting this in court and loses instead of paying the bill and moving on?

Not really. The damages seem inflated to me. He has a right to contest them.

He obviously owes something. I suppose if ultimately he's a total deadbeat and does nothing to make things right, then it's an issue. I've dealt with too many landlords professionally and personally to take their word on anything, though. Just from my experience, their collective character ranks somewhere around the same level as "strip club owner".

As a landlord who owns and rents a number of his own units, I take offense to this. I personally make my own renovations and clean up after tenants when they leave. It is true that this particular landlord is obviously exaggerating charges because he has an NBA player on the hook for damages and knows he can pay, but too often I am left with a unit that has been trashed with no way to collect any money for damages.

And don't even get me started on evictions. You can give a tenant many opportunities to make good on their rent and they will still take advantage of you when it comes down to it. Being unable to collect money for months of unpaid rent because the disadvantaged tenant has nowhere to go and no way to pay should be the government's problem, not the landlord's, as they are the ones who have set up these asinine housing laws.

The perception of landlords is unfair in this country.

[Hank Finkel]

Being a former landlord I agree with everything jmbr380 said.  After reading the article no matter how exaggerated I don't believe Danny will want Noel.  The C's have good character players on their team and play hard together.  I say don't bring in a bad apple.

[LarBrd33]

Lol he had 17 points 11 rebounds, 2 steals and 2 blocks tonight, but clearly he's untradeable.

At 21, Nerlans is averaging 11 points and 8 rebounds a game.

At 21, Jared Sullinger averaged 13.3 points and 8.1 rebounds a game.

How many people were beating down Ainge's door to trade for 21-year-old Sully?  How many were offering veteran all stars or top 5 lottery picks?

Mike

Noel is not overweight with a post-surgery spine.

But still putting up worse numbers on a worse team.

Mike

Also numbers: FG% and blocks and steals and assists.

Which you didn't bother to look at.

21-year-old Noel: 52% 2 PF fg, 1.8 assists, 1.7 steals, 1.5 blks, 2.4 turnovers.

21-year-old Sully: 47% 2 pt fg, 1.6 assists, .5 steals, .7 blks, 1.6 turnovers.

So, better shooting percentage for Noel but balanced out by Sully being the one who can, you know, actually shoot a jump shot.  Assists basically a wash but Noel has more turnovers.  Noel's steals and block numbers look a lot better, but what do we see with more advanced analytics?

Noel - PER 16.2, Offensive Win Share .1, Defensive Win Share 2.6.

Sully - PER 16.4, Offensive Win Share 1.9, Defensive Win Share 2.

So, Noel is the better defender but terrible on offense.  Sully is still a reasonably good defender, comparatively, and is practically Michael Jordan on offense when compared to Noel.

Yeah, I'm sure GMs are just lining up to give Philly anything they want for Noel.

Mike

Dam, Dino Pitno just got owned.

Dude that's really rude.  Also, he didn't get owned.  It completely ignores system and surrounding talent.  Anyone who actually paid attention this year widely acknowledges that Noel couldn't play alongside Okafor.  He spent much of this season playing out of position at PF.

He averaged 14 points, 9 rebounds, 2.2 assists, 2 steals and 1.5 blocks with 56% shooting as starting center.

It's also acknowledged by folks like Zach Lowe that Noel will benefit from being surrounded by better talent.  When you one of the only legitimate NBA players on the roster, it's hard not to struggle with efficiency.  We saw a massive leap in Noel's efficiency as soon as ish smith arrived.  Imagine if he had a team of NBA players surrounding him?   The Celtics are an efficient playoff team superbly coached with several offensive options.  Sullinger has played well and deserves credit, but Sullinger is not the focus of the opposing team's defense. 

Lastly, the entire conversation started because someone asked if sully has the same level of trade value as Noel.  If you think sully still has allstar potential that's fine. It has nothing to do with whether Nerlens Noel (someone who could be a DPOY long term) has trade value of his own.   This stems from someone claiming that philly was incapable of trading Noel for a guard.  It's complete hogwash.  They didn't trade Noel, because it didn't serve their agenda.  That's not to say they couldn't have flipped Noel for someone like Marcus smart had they wanted to.  The team very clearly preferred finishing out the tank job and reevaluating their options this summer.  For those of you insulting Noel by comparing him to former DPOY Tyson chandler, ask yourself if chandler could have been traded for guard help in his prime.  There's lots of guards in this league. Not a lot of star defensive bigs.  The answer is obviously yes.

[Roy H.]

He'll pay the bill and move on.

Does your opinion of him change if he insists on fighting this in court and loses instead of paying the bill and moving on?

Not really. The damages seem inflated to me. He has a right to contest them.

He obviously owes something. I suppose if ultimately he's a total deadbeat and does nothing to make things right, then it's an issue. I've dealt with too many landlords professionally and personally to take their word on anything, though. Just from my experience, their collective character ranks somewhere around the same level as "strip club owner".

As a landlord who owns and rents a number of his own units, I take offense to this. I personally make my own renovations and clean up after tenants when they leave. It is true that this particular landlord is obviously exaggerating charges because he has an NBA player on the hook for damages and knows he can pay, but too often I am left with a unit that has been trashed with no way to collect any money for damages.

And don't even get me started on evictions. You can give a tenant many opportunities to make good on their rent and they will still take advantage of you when it comes down to it. Being unable to collect money for months of unpaid rent because the disadvantaged tenant has nowhere to go and no way to pay should be the government's problem, not the landlord's, as they are the ones who have set up these asinine housing laws.

The perception of landlords is unfair in this country.

You've had different experiences than I have. I think there are plenty of good ones, but a disproportionately high number of sleazy ones.

I don't disagree about eviction laws. I just think that there are plenty of landlords trying to make a sleazy and illegal book off good tenants.

[Endless Paradise]

Being a former landlord I agree with everything jmbr380 said.  After reading the article no matter how exaggerated I don't believe Danny will want Noel.  The C's have good character players on their team and play hard together.  I say don't bring in a bad apple.

This team employs Jared Sullinger and Marcus Smart. Depending on who you ask, the claim of the Celtics only looking for "good character players" is dubious.

[LarBrd33]

He'll pay the bill and move on.

Does your opinion of him change if he insists on fighting this in court and loses instead of paying the bill and moving on?

Not really. The damages seem inflated to me. He has a right to contest them.

He obviously owes something. I suppose if ultimately he's a total deadbeat and does nothing to make things right, then it's an issue. I've dealt with too many landlords professionally and personally to take their word on anything, though. Just from my experience, their collective character ranks somewhere around the same level as "strip club owner".

As a landlord who owns and rents a number of his own units, I take offense to this. I personally make my own renovations and clean up after tenants when they leave. It is true that this particular landlord is obviously exaggerating charges because he has an NBA player on the hook for damages and knows he can pay, but too often I am left with a unit that has been trashed with no way to collect any money for damages.

And don't even get me started on evictions. You can give a tenant many opportunities to make good on their rent and they will still take advantage of you when it comes down to it. Being unable to collect money for months of unpaid rent because the disadvantaged tenant has nowhere to go and no way to pay should be the government's problem, not the landlord's, as they are the ones who have set up these asinine housing laws.

The perception of landlords is unfair in this country.

You've had different experiences than I have. I think there are plenty of good ones, but a disproportionately high number of sleazy ones.

I don't disagree about eviction laws. I just think that there are plenty of landlords trying to make a sleazy and illegal book off good tenants.

I've had bad and good landlords.  Roy, as a lawyer you must see how taking a TMZ report at face value isn't the wisest move here.

Buried in the tmz article is that Noel is demanding his security deposit back.

For all we know, Noel's boys were throwing parties while he was on the road, neighbors complained, the landlord evicted him, Noel took offense to this and refused to pay something, and now the landlord has trumped up some claims to get some money out of Noel.  Who knows.  We don't even know if the claims are true.  We don't even know if any of this was from Noel or his entourage.  Did he have other people living there ?   It's funny how quickly people here assume that Noel actually put up that fluffy tombstone out on the lawn himself.  Perhaps the landlord is a lunatic and did it himself?  Perhaps a neighbor kid did it because it was Halloween.   Perhaps one of Noel's weed smoking buddies from Boston did it.  Maybe Noel actually took time to do it himself.  Who knows.

And none of that really has anything to do with his abilities and potential on the court ... So whatever.

[Donoghus]

Eh, as someone who lived the college life pretty hard back in the day. & got a fair share of damage bills, I don't have too much concern on this given his age. 

Granted the extent of the damage may be a bit extreme, this isn't totally to be unexpected by someone that age. 

In regards to the outrage/don't want him around meter, this would probably register as about a 2 out 10.

[LarBrd33]

Eh, as someone who lived the college life pretty hard back in the day. & got a fair share of damage bills, I don't have too much concern on this given his age. 

Granted the extent of the damage may be a bit extreme, this isn't totally to be unexpected by someone that age. 

In regards to the outrage/don't want him around meter, this would probably register as about a 2 out 10.

The extent of the damage might not even be true.  But either way, it's not really a big deal.

[fubar089]

bring him home Danny.

[LooseCannon]

He'll pay the bill and move on.

Does your opinion of him change if he insists on fighting this in court and loses instead of paying the bill and moving on?

Not really. The damages seem inflated to me. He has a right to contest them.

He obviously owes something. I suppose if ultimately he's a total deadbeat and does nothing to make things right, then it's an issue. I've dealt with too many landlords professionally and personally to take their word on anything, though. Just from my experience, their collective character ranks somewhere around the same level as "strip club owner".

As a landlord who owns and rents a number of his own units, I take offense to this. I personally make my own renovations and clean up after tenants when they leave. It is true that this particular landlord is obviously exaggerating charges because he has an NBA player on the hook for damages and knows he can pay, but too often I am left with a unit that has been trashed with no way to collect any money for damages.

And don't even get me started on evictions. You can give a tenant many opportunities to make good on their rent and they will still take advantage of you when it comes down to it. Being unable to collect money for months of unpaid rent because the disadvantaged tenant has nowhere to go and no way to pay should be the government's problem, not the landlord's, as they are the ones who have set up these asinine housing laws.

The perception of landlords is unfair in this country.

You've had different experiences than I have. I think there are plenty of good ones, but a disproportionately high number of sleazy ones.

I don't disagree about eviction laws. I just think that there are plenty of landlords trying to make a sleazy and illegal book off good tenants.

As a group, who is sleazier, landlords or lawyers?

[Donoghus]

He'll pay the bill and move on.

Does your opinion of him change if he insists on fighting this in court and loses instead of paying the bill and moving on?

Not really. The damages seem inflated to me. He has a right to contest them.

He obviously owes something. I suppose if ultimately he's a total deadbeat and does nothing to make things right, then it's an issue. I've dealt with too many landlords professionally and personally to take their word on anything, though. Just from my experience, their collective character ranks somewhere around the same level as "strip club owner".

As a landlord who owns and rents a number of his own units, I take offense to this. I personally make my own renovations and clean up after tenants when they leave. It is true that this particular landlord is obviously exaggerating charges because he has an NBA player on the hook for damages and knows he can pay, but too often I am left with a unit that has been trashed with no way to collect any money for damages.

And don't even get me started on evictions. You can give a tenant many opportunities to make good on their rent and they will still take advantage of you when it comes down to it. Being unable to collect money for months of unpaid rent because the disadvantaged tenant has nowhere to go and no way to pay should be the government's problem, not the landlord's, as they are the ones who have set up these asinine housing laws.

The perception of landlords is unfair in this country.

You've had different experiences than I have. I think there are plenty of good ones, but a disproportionately high number of sleazy ones.

I don't disagree about eviction laws. I just think that there are plenty of landlords trying to make a sleazy and illegal book off good tenants.

As a group, who is sleazier, landlords or lawyers?

c).  All of the Above?