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Too many picks....
« on: April 05, 2016, 03:25:33 PM »

Offline konkmv

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Ok.. next year youngsters... rozier hunter young smart mickey 3 firsts 5 seconds.....13
And thomas bradley crowder jj olynyc sully zeller amir turner another 9
And a couple of free agents????? 2
24 players
You need to cut 9..... 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok you draft and stash a couple of seconds...7 to cut
You lose turner in free agency(do not think danny overpays him) 6 to cut
You trade away a couple of players jj and sully and a couple of seconds for one guy???? 3 to cut
You trade away young hunter and a late first for a better first next year..
Ok reached 15
Smart rozier thomas bradley crowder olynyc sully mickey amir 2 firsts 1 second 2 free agents and 1 from trade....
I am already tired
Good luck danny
Everybody knows you want to unload picks and they will try to buy low....
.... you will have to unload picks first to sign  free agents
 If you manage to sell at the right price this year i will sign with both my hands that you are the best gm in the league..

Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2016, 03:28:40 PM »

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Ok.. next year youngsters... rozier hunter young smart mickey 3 firsts 5 seconds.....13
And thomas bradley crowder jj olynyc sully zeller amir turner another 9
And a couple of free agents????? 2
24 players
You need to cut 9..... 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok you draft and stash a couple of seconds...7 to cut
You lose turner in free agency(do not think danny overpays him) 6 to cut
You trade away a couple of players jj and sully and a couple of seconds for one guy???? 3 to cut
You trade away young hunter and a late first for a better first next year..
Ok reached 15
Smart rozier thomas bradley crowder olynyc sully mickey amir 2 firsts 1 second 2 free agents and 1 from trade....
I am already tired
Good luck danny
Everybody knows you want to unload picks and they will try to buy low....
.... you will have to unload picks first to sign  free agents
 If you manage to sell at the right price this year i will sign with both my hands that you are the best gm in the league..
ya i'm hoping gm's don't try to buy super low knowing this


But a good pick is a good pick. And a good pick has good value
I trust Danny Ainge

Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2016, 03:50:44 PM »

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I don't like the 15 you ended up with. Not a better team than today

This summer is the window for big jump forward. DA needs to cash in

Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2016, 03:54:30 PM »

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More chances to hit a home run

But really Danny will try his best to move up

I'm thinking if he gets 4th to throw as much as possible and not too much for Ingram. Some team that likes Ingram but not sold on him and think they can get another guy later may take the offer

Something like for number 2 the mavs pick and 31st

Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2016, 03:57:49 PM »

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More chances to hit a home run

But really Danny will try his best to move up

I'm thinking if he gets 4th to throw as much as possible and not too much for Ingram. Some team that likes Ingram but not sold on him and think they can get another guy later may take the offer

Something like for number 2 the mavs pick and 31st

In what most are calling a two-man draft, it'll take a king's ransom to move up from #4, I'm afraid.
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Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2016, 04:03:46 PM »

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This is a subject I've wondered about for some time. How many players could the Celtics draft and "stash", ie won't be on the 2016-17 team? I assume all five 2nd-round picks, but I'm not sure.

The team could absolutely roll with 3 more rookies (first rounders) next year, given that Sullinger, Turner, and Zeller are all free agents and Amir Johnson and Jerebko's contracts will be non-guaranteed. The question is, as you've mentioned already, Do you really want to replace three or more veterans with three rookies?

If you add three rookies, you'll have 6 players with 0-1 year of experience on the team, plus James Young. That's 7 guys with little or no time on the court or proof of being able to stick in the league.

This is clearly not ideal. But I think it's important for Ainge not to be so afraid of this scenario that it paints him into a corner in the offseason. If there are no good opportunities to trade youth for established talent, or to consolidate draft picks, then you roll the dice three more times and see what sticks. You just have to plan on some of those younger guys actually getting minutes next year, because you can't have all of them riding the bench the whole year.
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Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2016, 05:02:50 PM »

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This is a subject I've wondered about for some time. How many players could the Celtics draft and "stash", ie won't be on the 2016-17 team? I assume all five 2nd-round picks, but I'm not sure.

The team could absolutely roll with 3 more rookies (first rounders) next year, given that Sullinger, Turner, and Zeller are all free agents and Amir Johnson and Jerebko's contracts will be non-guaranteed. The question is, as you've mentioned already, Do you really want to replace three or more veterans with three rookies?

If you add three rookies, you'll have 6 players with 0-1 year of experience on the team, plus James Young. That's 7 guys with little or no time on the court or proof of being able to stick in the league.

This is clearly not ideal. But I think it's important for Ainge not to be so afraid of this scenario that it paints him into a corner in the offseason. If there are no good opportunities to trade youth for established talent, or to consolidate draft picks, then you roll the dice three more times and see what sticks. You just have to plan on some of those younger guys actually getting minutes next year, because you can't have all of them riding the bench the whole year.

Your scenario with 7 young kids on the roster is NOT an option

Celts have made a jump to top of eastern conference. That progress needs to continue - not take a step back
It's time to bring couple vets here that take you to next level (50+ wins)

Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2016, 05:04:34 PM »

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This is a subject I've wondered about for some time. How many players could the Celtics draft and "stash", ie won't be on the 2016-17 team? I assume all five 2nd-round picks, but I'm not sure.

The team could absolutely roll with 3 more rookies (first rounders) next year, given that Sullinger, Turner, and Zeller are all free agents and Amir Johnson and Jerebko's contracts will be non-guaranteed. The question is, as you've mentioned already, Do you really want to replace three or more veterans with three rookies?

If you add three rookies, you'll have 6 players with 0-1 year of experience on the team, plus James Young. That's 7 guys with little or no time on the court or proof of being able to stick in the league.

This is clearly not ideal. But I think it's important for Ainge not to be so afraid of this scenario that it paints him into a corner in the offseason. If there are no good opportunities to trade youth for established talent, or to consolidate draft picks, then you roll the dice three more times and see what sticks. You just have to plan on some of those younger guys actually getting minutes next year, because you can't have all of them riding the bench the whole year.

Theoretically, every pick can be a draft-and-stash. A 1st round pick need not immediately sign with the team that drafted him.
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Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2016, 05:18:46 PM »

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I like our team as it is that's the thing.  We have too many picks.  I like our guards.  Avery, Isaiah, Smart and Rozier are a good mix.  We have young guys who can't even play.  Crowder and Turner is good.   Sully and KO is good.  Amir is serviceable and Zeller is as well as a backup.  Plus we have Mickey and jerebko as that glue guy at the end of the bench.  Stevens really has a very good 8-12  man rotation now. 

If we need anything it's a center.   Ainge is going to reshape this team somehow.  I wouldn't be in a rush to trade off valuable players though.

We could use a good shooter too or even just a guy who can do all those things. As far as playing time it's going to be tough though.

Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2016, 05:28:12 PM »

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This is a subject I've wondered about for some time. How many players could the Celtics draft and "stash", ie won't be on the 2016-17 team? I assume all five 2nd-round picks, but I'm not sure.

The team could absolutely roll with 3 more rookies (first rounders) next year, given that Sullinger, Turner, and Zeller are all free agents and Amir Johnson and Jerebko's contracts will be non-guaranteed. The question is, as you've mentioned already, Do you really want to replace three or more veterans with three rookies?

If you add three rookies, you'll have 6 players with 0-1 year of experience on the team, plus James Young. That's 7 guys with little or no time on the court or proof of being able to stick in the league.

This is clearly not ideal. But I think it's important for Ainge not to be so afraid of this scenario that it paints him into a corner in the offseason. If there are no good opportunities to trade youth for established talent, or to consolidate draft picks, then you roll the dice three more times and see what sticks. You just have to plan on some of those younger guys actually getting minutes next year, because you can't have all of them riding the bench the whole year.

This is my concern.  A great trade opportunity might not present itself.  That's what happened last year.

Heading into next year with half a roster of guys with little to no meaningful NBA experience sounds like a recipe for having a painfully short rotation OR taking a step back in the standings.


Luckily this draft seems to have quite a few international prospects worth taking a flier on, and this seems like the ideal situation to do that.
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Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2016, 05:36:50 PM »

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This is a subject I've wondered about for some time. How many players could the Celtics draft and "stash", ie won't be on the 2016-17 team? I assume all five 2nd-round picks, but I'm not sure.

Every single pick could be a draft and stash.  Further, you can straight up sell draft picks for cash considerations.  That's how we got Rondo. 

There is NEVER such a thing as "too many draft picks."

The team could absolutely roll with 3 more rookies (first rounders) next year, given that Sullinger, Turner, and Zeller are all free agents and Amir Johnson and Jerebko's contracts will be non-guaranteed. The question is, as you've mentioned already, Do you really want to replace three or more veterans with three rookies?

If you add three rookies, you'll have 6 players with 0-1 year of experience on the team, plus James Young. That's 7 guys with little or no time on the court or proof of being able to stick in the league.

This is clearly not ideal. But I think it's important for Ainge not to be so afraid of this scenario that it paints him into a corner in the offseason. If there are no good opportunities to trade youth for established talent, or to consolidate draft picks, then you roll the dice three more times and see what sticks. You just have to plan on some of those younger guys actually getting minutes next year, because you can't have all of them riding the bench the whole year.

Amir and Jerebko were signed on essentially 1-year deals to give us maximum roster flexibility going into the summer.  If Turner and Sullinger get Godfathered by other teams, it's likely that we could lose 5 players from this year's squad. 

Ainge doesn't have to be afraid of anything.  He has the best offseason situation of any GM in the league.

Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2016, 05:42:38 PM »

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If we don't win the lottery, I'm hoping for a double move-up. Something like #13+#22+Celtics 2018 1st for #8 and then #5+#8+#31 for Simmons or Ingram. If we don't manage that, then we at least need to package second rounders + #22 to move up into the teens.

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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2016, 05:46:27 PM »

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This is a subject I've wondered about for some time. How many players could the Celtics draft and "stash", ie won't be on the 2016-17 team? I assume all five 2nd-round picks, but I'm not sure.

Every single pick could be a draft and stash.  Further, you can straight up sell draft picks for cash considerations.  That's how we got Rondo

There is NEVER such a thing as "too many draft picks."


We gave up a first rounder in the trade for Rondo...

Picks are often traded for cash, but that's mid-to-late second rounder, not the 21st overall pick
I'm bitter.

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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2016, 05:51:44 PM »

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This is a subject I've wondered about for some time. How many players could the Celtics draft and "stash", ie won't be on the 2016-17 team? I assume all five 2nd-round picks, but I'm not sure.

Every single pick could be a draft and stash.  Further, you can straight up sell draft picks for cash considerations.  That's how we got Rondo. 

There is NEVER such a thing as "too many draft picks."

The team could absolutely roll with 3 more rookies (first rounders) next year, given that Sullinger, Turner, and Zeller are all free agents and Amir Johnson and Jerebko's contracts will be non-guaranteed. The question is, as you've mentioned already, Do you really want to replace three or more veterans with three rookies?

If you add three rookies, you'll have 6 players with 0-1 year of experience on the team, plus James Young. That's 7 guys with little or no time on the court or proof of being able to stick in the league.

This is clearly not ideal. But I think it's important for Ainge not to be so afraid of this scenario that it paints him into a corner in the offseason. If there are no good opportunities to trade youth for established talent, or to consolidate draft picks, then you roll the dice three more times and see what sticks. You just have to plan on some of those younger guys actually getting minutes next year, because you can't have all of them riding the bench the whole year.

Amir and Jerebko were signed on essentially 1-year deals to give us maximum roster flexibility going into the summer.  If Turner and Sullinger get Godfathered by other teams, it's likely that we could lose 5 players from this year's squad. 

Ainge doesn't have to be afraid of anything.  He has the best offseason situation of any GM in the league.
Amir and jerebko might need to be retained if both sully and turner leave with better offers

I don't see how you let all 4 go - from your 9man rotation

UNLESS you bring in two bigs studs via trade or free agency

You need somebody to play - that can bring you to next level

And that's not going to be somebody from this year draft class

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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2016, 06:49:38 PM »

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This is a subject I've wondered about for some time. How many players could the Celtics draft and "stash", ie won't be on the 2016-17 team? I assume all five 2nd-round picks, but I'm not sure.

Every single pick could be a draft and stash.  Further, you can straight up sell draft picks for cash considerations.  That's how we got Rondo. 

There is NEVER such a thing as "too many draft picks."

The team could absolutely roll with 3 more rookies (first rounders) next year, given that Sullinger, Turner, and Zeller are all free agents and Amir Johnson and Jerebko's contracts will be non-guaranteed. The question is, as you've mentioned already, Do you really want to replace three or more veterans with three rookies?

If you add three rookies, you'll have 6 players with 0-1 year of experience on the team, plus James Young. That's 7 guys with little or no time on the court or proof of being able to stick in the league.

This is clearly not ideal. But I think it's important for Ainge not to be so afraid of this scenario that it paints him into a corner in the offseason. If there are no good opportunities to trade youth for established talent, or to consolidate draft picks, then you roll the dice three more times and see what sticks. You just have to plan on some of those younger guys actually getting minutes next year, because you can't have all of them riding the bench the whole year.

Amir and Jerebko were signed on essentially 1-year deals to give us maximum roster flexibility going into the summer.  If Turner and Sullinger get Godfathered by other teams, it's likely that we could lose 5 players from this year's squad. 

Ainge doesn't have to be afraid of anything.  He has the best offseason situation of any GM in the league.
Amir and jerebko might need to be retained if both sully and turner leave with better offers

I don't see how you let all 4 go - from your 9man rotation

UNLESS you bring in two bigs studs via trade or free agency

You need somebody to play - that can bring you to next level

And that's not going to be somebody from this year draft class


this is not a good idea
considering it will hurt our chances at free agency as free agents like durant and horford would like to play with an established supporting class and not rookies

also it seems kind of ridiculous to throw away a team that has almost reached #3 seed in the east. I think if ainge needed to make room for rookies, he'd probably remove 2-3 players.

I can see these players going
zeller = not enough playing time behind sully and olynyk, despite being a solid backup C.

young = hasn't distinguished himself from other players in terms of skills e.g. hunter = shooting, mickey = shot blocking. And he has shown minimal improvements.

amir = if ainge can see mickey replacing amir's role as a defensive minded PF. I dont really see that happening soon but if mickey were to show a lot of development, ainge might think about opening playing time for mickey to develop.

Ainge will probably draft and stash the rest of the picks or trade them to other teams