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Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2016, 06:50:50 PM »

Offline walker834

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I hope we cash in our chips and get a player like Okafor or Cousins this offseason.  I would keep our current core and try to upgrade maybe one position and trade a player.

I think most of you undervalue guys like Sully and Turner, Bradley guys like that.

Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2016, 07:31:25 PM »

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Ok.. next year youngsters... rozier hunter young smart mickey 3 firsts 5 seconds.....13
And thomas bradley crowder jj olynyc sully zeller amir turner another 9
And a couple of free agents????? 2
24 players
You need to cut 9..... 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok you draft and stash a couple of seconds...7 to cut
You lose turner in free agency(do not think danny overpays him) 6 to cut
You trade away a couple of players jj and sully and a couple of seconds for one guy???? 3 to cut
You trade away young hunter and a late first for a better first next year..
Ok reached 15
Smart rozier thomas bradley crowder olynyc sully mickey amir 2 firsts 1 second 2 free agents and 1 from trade....
I am already tired
Good luck danny
Everybody knows you want to unload picks and they will try to buy low....
.... you will have to unload picks first to sign  free agents
 If you manage to sell at the right price this year i will sign with both my hands that you are the best gm in the league..
feel free to correct me, but I do not think this is the case. No matter how many rookies you have, you can still sign FAs.

Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2016, 08:07:35 PM »

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I hope we cash in our chips and get a player like Okafor or Cousins this offseason.  I would keep our current core and try to upgrade maybe one position and trade a player.

I think most of you undervalue guys like Sully and Turner, Bradley guys like that.

We will see because I do not think Ainge pays Sully more than he paid Amir and we will see how much the other GMs value him.  Some of these guys would not start on the top teams either.  I value them each in their own way, but I think the green tint is heavy is you think they are not expendable or replaceable.
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Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2016, 08:46:01 PM »

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This is the equivalent of a "rich world problem"
Like, "should I get the latte or the cappucino? I hear they're both really good at this cafe!!"
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Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2016, 08:58:28 PM »

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Ainge will be dealing, the roster could be different.   Hopefully, we sign a free agent of merit.

Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2016, 11:40:41 PM »

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Here is my idea where we keep all our picks and still get better :


#4 - Buddy Hield

#12 -Marquese Chriss

#23 - Petr Cornelie - Draft and Stash

#31 - AJ Hammons - Maine?

#35 - Caris Levert - Maine


Picks 50, 52, 58 All Stashed Skilled Super Tall Bigs :
Andrey Desyatnikov 7'3, Zhou QI 7'2, Jonathan Jeanne 7'2.
We would need at least one of those 3 bigs to pan out abroad and provide a solid bench role for us in the future.

Here is my team next year with Horford :

Thomas Smart Rozier
Bradley Hield Hunter
Crowder Turner Chriss
Olynyk Jerebko Mickey
Horford Amir Hammons

And here my team if we get unlucky at the draft and get pick #5 or worst :

Trade it along Smart, young and Amir plus some 2nd rounders for Butler

Thomas Rozier Levert
Butler Bradley Hunter
Crowder Turner Chriss
Olynyk Jerebko Mickey
Horford Sully Hammons

What do you guys think...?

Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2016, 09:05:13 AM »

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That's why it would be smart to unload both Brooklyn's 16 & 18 picks with along with a few players for Demarcus Cousins. We r probably not gonna get a top 3 pick considering the Suns just don't wanna let go of that 3 spot. Question is, who's going to take the #4 pick ? Or does Danny package both 16 & 18 together for a trade. I guess all we can really do is wait n see what happens. This could be ammunition for trades or it could all be a disaster in the end

Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2016, 09:12:31 AM »

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On a positive note, since we got a ton of picks and they're scatter all over the board, we should be able to get a ton of guys in for workouts.

I agree that we can't draft 6 guys. We got slim down the pack. Danny can use multiple picks to move down a few spots with our pick or the Dallas pick.

Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2016, 09:21:22 AM »

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And here my team if we get unlucky at the draft and get pick #5 or worst :

Trade it along Smart, young and Amir plus some 2nd rounders for Butler

Thomas Rozier Levert
Butler Bradley Hunter
Crowder Turner Chriss
Olynyk Jerebko Mickey
Horford Sully Hammons

What do you guys think...?

I'd do the Butler deal all day, but I don't see the Bulls doing it (and I love Smart). Butler is a veritable superstar. Smart has "very good player" potential, but he needs to improve his shot and tone down his temper. #5 will likely be a good player, but probably not a superstar. Everything else is a throw-in. So you're essentially trading a star for two players with the potential to become good. Most teams would rather have one "A" than two "B+"

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Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2016, 09:27:35 AM »

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That's why it would be smart to unload both Brooklyn's 16 & 18 picks with along with a few players for Demarcus Cousins. We r probably not gonna get a top 3 pick considering the Suns just don't wanna let go of that 3 spot. Question is, who's going to take the #4 pick ? Or does Danny package both 16 & 18 together for a trade. I guess all we can really do is wait n see what happens. This could be ammunition for trades or it could all be a disaster in the end
You know there is a lottery, right?

The pick isn't going to be traded before the lottery, so people need to stop talking like having the 4th worst record means the 4th pick. It is actually more likely we don't get the 4th pick than we do get the 4th pick.

Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2016, 09:32:58 AM »

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I'm convinced that Danny will be able to move the excess picks. I don't buy into the argument that every other gm is going to lowball him because they know Danny won't make all his picks.

That is assuming the market is only one team trying to acquire a pick, in reality there will be a lot of teams looking to trade for our picks and a market will develop among several teams for every pick we look to move. If teams try to lowball Danny he can make all the picks and then wait for training camp to try to get better offers. (the 15 player roster limit doesn't come into effect until the end end of training camp)

If a GM says "Danny needs to make a move I'll send him a low ball offer" then you can best believe that someone will come along and top that offer.

Danny will utilize draft and stash, and trades to make sure the roster isn't overfull. If Danny trades some of the guys currently on the roster then the roster crunch problem goes away.
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Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2016, 10:23:02 AM »

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Either combine picks, multiple picks for players or kick the can down the road.


Trade a first from this year for a future 1st plus an optional 2nd.

Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2016, 10:24:50 AM »

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Either combine picks, multiple picks for players or kick the can down the road.


Trade a first from this year for a future 1st plus an optional 2nd.


How often do we actually see this in the NBA? Such and such a team trades its first this year for a first and a second next year?
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Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2016, 10:35:59 AM »

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I'm convinced that Danny will be able to move the excess picks. I don't buy into the argument that every other gm is going to lowball him because they know Danny won't make all his picks.

That is assuming the market is only one team trying to acquire a pick, in reality there will be a lot of teams looking to trade for our picks and a market will develop among several teams for every pick we look to move. If teams try to lowball Danny he can make all the picks and then wait for training camp to try to get better offers. (the 15 player roster limit doesn't come into effect until the end end of training camp)

If a GM says "Danny needs to make a move I'll send him a low ball offer" then you can best believe that someone will come along and top that offer.

Danny will utilize draft and stash, and trades to make sure the roster isn't overfull. If Danny trades some of the guys currently on the roster then the roster crunch problem goes away.

Ya this is spot on.  People act like there's only one team the C's can trade with when there's actually 29.  So if one team is asking for too much because they think the C's have to make a move, then Danny can just move on and start negotiating with one of the 28 other teams.

Also consider there's 6 teams without a draft pick in this draft (CLE, MIA, NYK, OKC, POR, WAS), plus 2 others that only have a late 2nd (DAL at #50 and Brooklyn at 55 currently), and 4 others with only 1 pick (MIN at #5, CHA at #21, SAS at # 29, GS at #30) currently.  These are teams that might be looking to add a pick.

There's enough going on in the market for the C's to get a fair deal.  One team isn't going to be able to hold them hostage.

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Re: Too many picks....
« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2016, 11:14:26 AM »

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Either combine picks, multiple picks for players or kick the can down the road.


Trade a first from this year for a future 1st plus an optional 2nd.


How often do we actually see this in the NBA? Such and such a team trades its first this year for a first and a second next year?

I don't know about trading a 1st for a 1st and a 2nd, but trading a current pick for a future pick(s) happens all the time, especially in the 2nd round.

Draft day 2015, Philly traded #35 for 2 future 2nds.
Draft day 2015, Charlotte traded #39 for a 2018 and 2019 2nd.
Draft day 2014, Memphis traded #35 for a 2016 2nd.
Draft day 2014, Atlanta traded #48 for a 2015 2nd.
Draft day 2013, Cleveland traded #31 for 2 future 2nds.
Draft day 2013, Atlanta traded #50 for a future 2nd.
Draft day 2013, Philly traded #43 for a 2014 2nd.
Draft day 2011, New Jersey traded #31 for for 2013 2nd.
Draft day 2011, Cleveland traded #32 for a 2013 and 2014 2nd.
Draft day 2011, Lakers traded #56 for a future 2nd.
Draft day 2010, OKC traded #18 (Bledsoe) for a future 1st.
Draft day 2010, Miami traded #50 for a 2013 2nd.
Draft day 2009, Minnesota traded #18 (Lawson) for a 2010 1st.
Draft day 2009, Miami traded #43 for a 2010 and 2012 2nd.

Danny can definitely kick the can down the road here, and for what it's worth, I don't think the Celtics currently have any 2018 2nd round picks.

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