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Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2016, 09:26:24 PM »

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Drafting James Young over Gary Harris and Rodney Hood is starting to look pretty bad and will probably get worse.

Yeah I was surprised we haven't seen more of this yet.

It's because the OP explicitly asked for non-draft mistakes. Draft mistake debates are clusterbangs of unreasonable expectations and unfair hindsight.

I'll say this, if it turns out that TA would've left for Memphis even if we offered him more money and years, then I might even say Ainge has never made a consequential non-draft mistake. There are free agents who were meh and trades that weren't optimal like the Telfair thing, but every suboptimal move had an upside which worked itself out. Hence the four year turnaround from dumpster fire to champion and the two year turnaround from tankers to near-contention with the youngest team and most abundant supply of assets in the league. Ainge is a front office genius.
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Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2016, 09:40:44 PM »

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Hard to hit DA too hard for any of the moves already mentioned

If we must second guess - how bout re-phrase

"Who is best player DA let get away - or passed on in draft"

Bobby portis being a good recent example


Overall though , DA more up than down

I think it's too early to say that we'd rather have Portis over Rozier.  Very well might be the case but Rozier is just now getting meaningful minutes whereas Portis has had more time because that Bulls team has been shot for a while.
Portis has been getting regular minutes since middle of December

Main reason he sticks out now vs rozier  is 6'10 230 and can guard his position
Rozier hasn't played because he got 4 guys on the roster that play his position

Young looks like he could eclipse fab mello for el busto


Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2016, 09:51:36 PM »

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I think acquiring Lee and trying to shoehorn him into the rotation to showcase for a mid-season trade ended up backfiring.  Not in a major way, but it probably hurt the team at the beginning of this season and it didn't end up yielding any kind of trade value.

Im not too sure that's on Danny. Acquiring Lee was more of financial move, playing him was the mistake, and since we don't know anything, it couldve been on Brad.

Danny had some gambles that didn't pay off. Certainly not in the level of Scal's contract or Blount's contract etc. big 3 era mistake was probably letting Posey walk without getting a replacement.

Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2016, 10:03:07 PM »

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Portis?   He hasn't done enough to prove it was a mistake to skip him

He has to add more strength. Lacks a wide base and can be moved/boxed out without alot of fuss

Rozier is coming along slowly.  He had 7 rebounds the last game.  For a pg and coming off the bench, that is fantastic

Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2016, 10:15:09 PM »

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Missed the point

Portis fits celts roster and could play sf/pf

Rozier is redundant as long as smart is here

Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2016, 10:25:30 PM »

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Missed the point

Portis fits celts roster and could play sf/pf

Rozier is redundant as long as smart is here

So Olynyk, Mickey, Sullinger, Amir aren't taking minutes from Portis?

Ainge, Stevens (who plays a huge part in who we draft now) and the Celtics collectively decided that Rozier had the best potential as an NBA player.

Rozier has All Star potential in the NBA. Portis has starter/role player potential.
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Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2016, 10:25:30 PM »

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Missed the point

Portis fits celts roster and could play sf/pf

Rozier is redundant as long as smart is here

i think its a little early to call
as they are both rookies
so for all we know rozier becomes a starter and portis becomes a career bench player

i guess his last bad move was selecting fab melo or jajuan johnson whichever came later

Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2016, 10:41:39 PM »

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I wasn't really upset that Ainge didn't resign Tony Allen; it's that he couldn't figure out a sign-and-trade to recoup some sort of asset, even a TPE. Ainge knew another team valued Allen, and couldn't/didn't make any hay. Out of character.

Otherwise, I can't remember another move that I would call "bad."
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Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2016, 10:48:33 PM »

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Next BAD move s he could make  ;)

1) not signing Boogie Cousins or Butler

2). Not drafting Maker

Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2016, 10:59:51 PM »

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If we are eliminating drafted players from the equation, there is only one move Danny made that irked me (big time) and that was taking on the exorbitant contract of 'Bad Knees' LaFrentz. It can be debated whether or not it was time to trade Antoine (I didn't think so at the time), but the return we got on our all-star forward was extremely disappointing.

It was the one move that I hated at the time and also ended up being [nearly] disastrous. Thank goodness Danny was later able to move Raef for Ratliff who he was able to use as an expiring in the Ray Allen deal...it doesn't totally excuse the initial deal, though.

Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2016, 11:02:30 PM »

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Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2016, 11:21:08 PM »

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Drafting James Young over Gary Harris and Rodney Hood is starting to look pretty bad and will probably get worse.

Yeah I was surprised we haven't seen more of this yet.

It's because the OP explicitly asked for non-draft mistakes. Draft mistake debates are clusterbangs of unreasonable expectations and unfair hindsight.



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Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2016, 11:30:47 PM »

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If we are eliminating drafted players from the equation, there is only one move Danny made that irked me (big time) and that was taking on the exorbitant contract of 'Bad Knees' LaFrentz. It can be debated whether or not it was time to trade Antoine (I didn't think so at the time), but the return we got on our all-star forward was extremely disappointing.

It was the one move that I hated at the time and also ended up being [nearly] disastrous. Thank goodness Danny was later able to move Raef for Ratliff who he was able to use as an expiring in the Ray Allen deal...it doesn't totally excuse the initial deal, though.

TP   I agree, by far his worst move.

Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #43 on: April 04, 2016, 11:38:33 PM »

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 I can live with Rozier over Portis, but if we had Hood and Gianni's right now we would be so deep it's ridiculous. I'm fine with not having Kelly.

 

Re: What's the last bad move Danny made?
« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2016, 11:43:10 PM »

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I wouldn't kill Ainge for Terry.  That one was odd.  He just didn't fit and went on to be better after that year.  I still don't get what happened that year with him.

One move by Ainge I loved was Shaq.  If Shaq stayed healthy that would have been special.  The offense was so much better with him on the floor than the offense had been for that Big Three era and defense held strong to how it was for that period.

Agreed on Jermaine O'Neal being a bad one.

I like Ainge as a drafter.  He isn't perfect but no one is.  I think he does a good job.  The only Ainge pick I think was just bad was JR Giddens.

Agreed on both O'Neals.  Jermaine ended up being good again.  And with Shaq, man, as you said, when he was healthy the first part of the season, I think that may have actually been the most talented team of the Big Three Era.  Sure the Big Three had slipped a little since '08, but Rondo was probably at the peak of his career, and Shaq just made the team unguardable, especially the spacing that the lights out shooting of Ray, PP, and KG brought. 

It's such a shame he couldn't stay healthy that year.  We definitely would have won another title and the Jeff Green trade may have then gone down as a fairly decent one (if we had beaten LeBron and the Heat).