What's the last bad move Danny made?

[MJohnnyboy]

Jason Terry was a bad signing too. And Jermaine O'Neal. But the Courtney Lee trade to Memphis bugged me. We got nothing for him and included picks to dump him for Bayless's expiring contract. Everyone else we traded we got something in return.

We were just clearing up cap room because the team was rebuilding and at the time, teams didn't want to take on Courtney Lee's contract because it had three years left and Lee's value was pretty sunk at the time.

[2short]

I wasn't happy with Lee being moved for nothing or actually a negative.  Jason Terry pretty much stunk in Boston.  But I'd say the last bad move by Ainge by Patrick Obryant or whatever his name was

[Snakehead]

I wouldn't kill Ainge for Terry.  That one was odd.  He just didn't fit and went on to be better after that year.  I still don't get what happened that year with him.

One move by Ainge I loved was Shaq.  If Shaq stayed healthy that would have been special.  The offense was so much better with him on the floor than the offense had been for that Big Three era and defense held strong to how it was for that period.

Agreed on Jermaine O'Neal being a bad one.

I like Ainge as a drafter.  He isn't perfect but no one is.  I think he does a good job.  The only Ainge pick I think was just bad was JR Giddens.

[fairweatherfan]

Ainge did not let Tony Allen walk. He offered Allen more money than the Grizzlies did. TA wanted a bigger role and didn't want to play behind Pierce and Ray. That's not Danny's fault.

Got a source for that?  Because my recollection and articles I just Googled from that time period say differently.  For example, this article says we initially offered just a 2-year contract, then only matched Memphis' offer, not exceeded it:

"We [eventually] offered Tony the same deal that he ended up getting in Memphis, but maybe ... [if] I made that offer initially [Allen would have signed in Boston]. But we were trying to maintain our flexibility, not this summer, but the following summer. It wasn't about money. It was about years and flexibility."

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/columns/story?id=6560546&columnist=forsberg_chris

It's possible we offered more per year on that 2 year deal, but I can't find anything to confirm it, and that's not really the same as more $ overall.


TA for me is the last significant bad decision as well, outside of our draft busts.  It's really been awhile since we made a bad player move, though it's easier when you're rebuilding and the stakes are lower.

[Snakehead]

Ainge did not let Tony Allen walk. He offered Allen more money than the Grizzlies did. TA wanted a bigger role and didn't want to play behind Pierce and Ray. That's not Danny's fault.

Got a source for that?  Because my recollection and articles I just Googled from that time period say differently.  For example, this article says we initially offered just a 2-year contract, then only matched Memphis' offer, not exceeded it:

"We [eventually] offered Tony the same deal that he ended up getting in Memphis, but maybe ... [if] I made that offer initially [Allen would have signed in Boston]. But we were trying to maintain our flexibility, not this summer, but the following summer. It wasn't about money. It was about years and flexibility."

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/columns/story?id=6560546&columnist=forsberg_chris


TA for me is the last significant bad decision as well, outside of our draft busts.  It's really been awhile since we made a bad player move, though it's easier when you're rebuilding and the stakes are lower.

This was my recollection as well but I don't actually see it as such a bad move.  To me it is not great but understandable.  Like Ainge says, he wanted to be flexible.  Consider not long later that the Celtics were trying to trade for Chris Paul, who they wanted to trade for and sign long term (which he declined to do) for example.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7297944/new-orleans-hornets-chris-paul-sign-boston-celtics-dealt-source-says

http://nesn.com/2013/09/danny-ainge-tried-trading-rajon-rondo-for-chris-paul-to-get-over-the-hump-offensively/

[PhoSita]

I think acquiring Lee and trying to shoehorn him into the rotation to showcase for a mid-season trade ended up backfiring.  Not in a major way, but it probably hurt the team at the beginning of this season and it didn't end up yielding any kind of trade value.

[MJohnnyboy]

Ainge did not let Tony Allen walk. He offered Allen more money than the Grizzlies did. TA wanted a bigger role and didn't want to play behind Pierce and Ray. That's not Danny's fault.

Got a source for that?  Because my recollection and articles I just Googled from that time period say differently.  For example, this article says we initially offered just a 2-year contract, then only matched Memphis' offer, not exceeded it:

"We [eventually] offered Tony the same deal that he ended up getting in Memphis, but maybe ... [if] I made that offer initially [Allen would have signed in Boston]. But we were trying to maintain our flexibility, not this summer, but the following summer. It wasn't about money. It was about years and flexibility."

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/columns/story?id=6560546&columnist=forsberg_chris

It's possible we offered more per year on that 2 year deal, but I can't find anything to confirm it, and that's not really the same as more $ overall.


TA for me is the last significant bad decision as well, outside of our draft busts.  It's really been awhile since we made a bad player move, though it's easier when you're rebuilding and the stakes are lower.

I guess I remembered incorrectly. My bad. TP for that. However, Danny still offered him the same money as Memphis did, which in my eyes, tells me TA wanted a bigger role elsewhere.

[JSD]

Ainge did not let Tony Allen walk. He offered Allen more money than the Grizzlies did. TA wanted a bigger role and didn't want to play behind Pierce and Ray. That's not Danny's fault.

I'd say the last bad move Danny made was signing Jermaine O'Neal. I'd say most, if not, all of Danny's bad moves were explainable when they were made. They just turned out a lot worse than expected.

That's how I remembered it too, and we remembered it correctly:

The Grizzlies stole away Allen from Boston in the summer of 2010 with a meager three-year $10 million contract, a deal that gave them the Celtics’ perimeter stopper in his prime.

The loss of Allen via free agency can’t be entirely blamed on Ainge. Memphis offered Allen a starting job, something Ainge couldn’t do with Paul Pierce and Ray Allen firmly entrenched in the starting five. Still, Boston likely would have been able to make up for reduced playing time with dollars, and Boston’s offer was not sufficient enough in Allen’s eyes to stay in Beantown.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/05/06/robb-tony-allen-the-one-who-got-away/

Edit - I always thought the money was the same, just Allen wanted a bigger role.

[Denis998]

The perkins trade is yet to be determined. We traded Perk for Jeff, and then traded Jeff for Memphis 1st. That pick could become an unprotected 1st in 2021 with a chance it lands in high lottery.

[lefty12]

Hard to hit DA too hard for any of the moves already mentioned

If we must second guess - how bout re-phrase

"Who is best player DA let get away - or passed on in draft"

Bobby portis being a good recent example

Overall though , DA more up than down

[alldaboston]

Drafting Rozier and Hunter

Maybe he could have picked portis over rebounding menace Terry Rozier, but why was hunter a bad pick? Who would you have taken instead?

[mloyko]

Drafting James Young over Gary Harris and Rodney Hood is starting to look pretty bad and will probably get worse.

[i believe in brad]

Hard to hit DA too hard for any of the moves already mentioned

If we must second guess - how bout re-phrase

"Who is best player DA let get away - or passed on in draft"

Bobby portis being a good recent example

Overall though , DA more up than down

I think it's too early to say that we'd rather have Portis over Rozier.  Very well might be the case but Rozier is just now getting meaningful minutes whereas Portis has had more time because that Bulls team has been shot for a while.

[alldaboston]

Drafting James Young over Gary Harris and Rodney Hood is starting to look pretty bad and will probably get worse.

Yeah I was surprised we haven't seen more of this yet.

[mgent]

Fab Melo.

Edit:  Young ain't out the league yet.

We might cut him this year, and he could go on to be a productive player for all we know.

If we're gonna play the "well, we could have taken this guy over this guy," then we can play that all day.