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Offline jbpats

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Per many outlets Sixers are indicating that they will try and move Okafor. Should the Celtics make a play for him? There were many rumors that we tried at the deadline, although I'm not sure that I fully believe the stories.. it's tough to believe anything that comes out of the press these days.
Obviously cost is the concern. Brooklyn pick will likely have to be included, although I think if it falls in the top three that is too much for him.
Realistically I'd give up our pick this year and Marcus Smart for him. I know throwing Marcus's name into the mix will not be popular around here.
If the Brooklyn pick falls 4-5 I'd do the pick straight up for him, but not sure Philly would.
I think Okafor has potential to either be a stud or a cancer, I'm not as willing to bet the farm on a guy like him as I am with a guy like Demarcus Cousins.. Similar character issues but with Demarcus you are realistically receiving a top 15 NBA talent.

What do others think?

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lets see what we get from the draft first

if we get a top 2 pick... i would give them something like sully and mavs pick for him

simmons okafor or ingramm okafor is not bad

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I've always felt that our interest in Okafor was in sending him to a third team for a star, because a team sending off a star often wants a young player with star potential, rather than a pick, because the player is more of a known commodity and thus less risky.  As a player, I think he's too immature, both in terms of personality and basketball ability, to be a better fit for this team than any generic top 4 pick.

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lets see what we get from the draft first

if we get a top 2 pick... i would give them something like sully and mavs pick for him

simmons okafor or ingramm okafor is not bad

Sully is a free agent, I'm not sure how we could trade him.

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My prediction is if the Cs land a pick #3-#5 and Dunn is available then he will be drafted and traded along with Hunter/Young and additional 1st this year (hopefully Cs but likely the Mavs) for Okafor.

For the 76res this is a legit move towards team building. Assuming they net Simmons or Ingram then make the above trade for Dunn now at least their roster starts to make sense. With Saric likely coming over next season the 76ers would have a Ingram/Simmons + Saric combo at the forward spots. Then they already have Noel at the 5 with Embiid hopefully healthy and coming off the bench. Dunn would go along way to anchor them at the point, even if they retain Smith Dunn is big enough to play off the ball.


For the Cs adding Okafor to effectivly replace Sully is a talent upgrade but one that brings in its own problems. The Cs would really need to start looking for a special player to man the PF spot next to Okafor. PF's who can spread the court and also provide high end defense are the hottest commodity in the league. Amir gives the Cs a little of that this year and KO gives the Cs the floor spreading and solid D but he isn't a help defender/rim protector. White A Davis, S Ibaka or Porzingis are not going to be available these are the mold of players ideally suited to play next to a post anchor like Okafor. The Cs may be able to get buy playing more small ball around Okafor and hope that Mickey develops into a player who can contribute while they search for the perfect fit.

As for Okafor if this trade could light a fire under him and get him to buy into the Cs way of playing he can be special. The league has moved away from his style of play but the Cs may be able to use this to their advantage. They have been very effective going small with Sully at the Cs and 4 perimeter players. Okafor has many physical advantages over Sully (taller, longer, lighter) and should be able to excel in this role. If he rebounds and buys into the defense the shooters and spacing the Cs can provide him can make him a star.   
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he seems pretty lazy out there so i guess what concerns me most is his motor. Skillset-wise, it's not hard to imagine him improving vastly. the question is if 1) he's willing to apply himself to reach his potential and 2) play hard enough during games and showcase those new skills.

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No.   I'd rather see the Celtics spend assets elsewhere. 

Outside the maturity issues & defensive deficiencies, I think we're already seeing a game from him that is close to his ceiling.  Given the way the NBA game is trending right now, I'm not sure the Celtics need a guy who plays only one end of the floor and who slogs around in the middle.

That's not to say he isn't a good basketball player.  He certainly is.  He's just not someone I'd care to see in a Celtics uniform.



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lets see what we get from the draft first

if we get a top 2 pick... i would give them something like sully and mavs pick for him

simmons okafor or ingramm okafor is not bad

Simmons and Okafor would not be a viable defensive frontcourt.
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Well, we have to deduce for ourselves if Philly is going to make that move or are they still planning on letting the kids swim?

The way I see it their whole "process" is to nab the next "can't miss" player... so I believe without a shadow of a doubt they will be picking up Simmons with the first, since in my book he's the clear cut grade A prospect in this draft... but now maybe Jerry Colangelo is looking for a package deal for Simmons one that could turn the team around since as we saw in LSU Ben Simmons alone can't win you ballgames.

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As in all things it depends on the price they are asking, but Boston should absolutely look at acquiring Okafor if he is available. 
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Well, we have to deduce for ourselves if Philly is going to make that move or are they still planning on letting the kids swim?

The way I see it their whole "process" is to nab the next "can't miss" player... so I believe without a shadow of a doubt they will be picking up Simmons with the first, since in my book he's the clear cut grade A prospect in this draft... but now maybe Jerry Colangelo is looking for a package deal for Simmons one that could turn the team around since as we saw in LSU Ben Simmons alone can't win you ballgames.

You pose an interesting scenario,

76ers want to turn things around and are scared of Simmons. Do they do a Wiggins type deal? Maybe the bulls offer Butler for Simmons? Portland offers up McCullunm plus assets? I dont think this is the way things play out but it would be interesting.
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Think pick has to be 6 or lower to trade it for Okafor. I have 5 guys more valuable than Okafor. Dunn, Heild, Bender, Simmons and Ingram. And as far as fit Okafor is a little old school and doesn't show enough defensively. There is also maturity/character concerns already. 76ers will be lucky to flip Okafor for a top 10 pick. Just think Brown, Lab, Ellenson, Sabonis, and Poeltl are top 10 worthy guys with potential and less concerns. At this point I have 8 guys I'd rather draft than bring in Okafor.

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Think pick has to be 6 or lower to trade it for Okafor. I have 5 guys more valuable than Okafor. Dunn, Heild, Bender, Simmons and Ingram. And as far as fit Okafor is a little old school and doesn't show enough defensively. There is also maturity/character concerns already. 76ers will be lucky to flip Okafor for a top 10 pick. Just think Brown, Lab, Ellenson, Sabonis, and Poeltl are top 10 worthy guys with potential and less concerns. At this point I have 8 guys I'd rather draft than bring in Okafor.
I think this is a pretty silly post.  In 30 minutes a game, Okafor is averaging 17.5/7 on over 50% from the field and 69% from the line.  He isn't turning it over very much for a guy with the ball in his hand as much as he has it and is blocking over a shot a game.  This from a 20 year old rookie on the worst team in basketball who is starting with a guy that plays the same position as he does.

Okafor will require a pretty hefty price tag to acquire and Philly will get it (if they choose to trade him). 
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I'd say if the pick is outside the top 3 the Celts should definitely go all-in on trading for Okafor / Jabari or whoever.
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I've always felt that our interest in Okafor was in sending him to a third team for a star, because a team sending off a star often wants a young player with star potential, rather than a pick, because the player is more of a known commodity and thus less risky.  As a player, I think he's too immature, both in terms of personality and basketball ability, to be a better fit for this team than any generic top 4 pick.
I agree with all of this. In general, I'd much rather Noel then Okafor.