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Is Smart expendable?
« on: March 27, 2016, 12:51:51 PM »

Offline ballin

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Before everyone reaches for the reply button to tell me how wrong I am, please take a second to consider what I'm asking.

Is Marcus Smart expendable?

I'm not asking if you think he's good or bad, per se. What I want to know is that do our chances of building a contender go up by hanging on to him, or is now the time to sell high?

As a player, Smart is very clearly defined as poor offensively, great defensively, and a phenomenal intangibles guy. I think most of us would agree that despite the offensive issues he's overall a good player and an asset to our team. That said, he's far from a perfect player and there's a risk that he never develops a serviceable offensive game. That's one potential issue. The other risk is that we currently overvalue his game because his contributions (hustle, defense) are so hard to measure.

In light of those risks, and in consideration of the fact we now have an all-star caliber point guard in IT, I think Smart is a tradeable asset. One of the best ways to get ahead in this league is by selling high on assets, which means you need to flip them before their value diminishes. Ainge did this to masterful effect with Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett in the Brooklyn trade.

In contrast, it's obvious in retrospect that Ainge held on to Rondo far, far too long. There was a time when Rondo-for-CP3 rumors were a real thing... and people thought that Boston would have been getting the losing end of that trade. Obviously there's always a chance that a trade backfires, but you have to take risks in order to win big in this league.

As it pertains to Smart, if I were Ainge I would wager that there's a fair chance Smart's value never rises beyond where it's at now. I think it's time to sell high.


Re: Is Smart expendable?
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2016, 01:04:30 PM »

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If I were Ainge, I would make the wager that Smart's value is at its lowest right now.  I believe that if he sold now, he'd end up regretting it.
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Re: Is Smart expendable?
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2016, 01:06:16 PM »

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It is all about the return. Everyone is expendable/tradeable. As for Smart's value is it low or high? His offense is at its lowest yet right now there are 9 playoff teams that would start Smart or at least feature him heavily in their rotation. That is pretty good value because he is elite wing defense. Imagine Smart on OKC with Westbrook, KD, Ibaka and Adams. Or even with GS with Klay at SF, then Curry, Barnes and Green doing it small ball. Smart can develop and be a Kahwi Leonard at PG. You probably hold onto him. At worst he is TA.

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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2016, 01:21:03 PM »

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He's trade-able in the right deal, is the way I would put it.

My dream is still to trade picks for Noel (let's say the rights to Kris Dunn) and sign Durant. Sign Pau Gasol for reasonable money over 2 years to chase a ring w/o the huge commitment of a Horford, and leaving money left over. Bring back Turner if the price is right. Trade Sully for even more pick(s), to keep the pantry full.

Smart + Crowder + Noel would be the best defensive trio in the league.
Durant + Thomas would be among the best scoring duos.
Gasol + Olynyk would be among the best bench bigs.
Bradley + Rozier would be nice energy guards.

Add coaching and depth, and we'd have a title contender still sitting on cap room to spare.

Thomas / Smart / Crowder / Durant / Noel (starters)
Bradley / Rozier / Turner / Olynyk / Gasol (6th man - would destroy 2nd team opponents)

Spare parts: Mickey, Hunter, Young, Jerebko, some euro stashes with our extra picks

+ $10M left over even with Durant ($23M), Gasol ($8M), Turner ($9M), Jerebko ($5M)?

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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2016, 01:26:06 PM »

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Smart isn't untouchable, but I don't think that makes him "expendable"
I'm bitter.

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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2016, 01:26:16 PM »

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He's not untouchable by any means, if that's what you're asking.
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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2016, 01:28:25 PM »

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Not really ......he has a unique team first mindset for a guard .  Winning is everything to this guy.  He thinks like KG . 

Few young players play the game like him anymore .  He is old school and would have fit right in from Tommy era.

I guess to get a player like Anthony Davis or such he would have to go . 

But no way you trade him for a player like Whiteside .

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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2016, 01:47:33 PM »

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His value must be at rock bottom right now.

That being said, I would wait until it goes up again, and I'd use his higher value in a package for a star.
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2016, 01:53:23 PM »

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As others have said, this is kind of an awkwardly worded OP. Of course he's expendable at the right price and I'm sure he would be traded if Danny found that right price.

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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2016, 01:59:06 PM »

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He's not untouchable but he's hardly expendable.

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« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2016, 02:00:21 PM »

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Before everyone reaches for the reply button to tell me how wrong I am, please take a second to consider what I'm asking.

Is Marcus Smart expendable?

I'm not asking if you think he's good or bad, per se. What I want to know is that do our chances of building a contender go up by hanging on to him, or is now the time to sell high?

As a player, Smart is very clearly defined as poor offensively, great defensively, and a phenomenal intangibles guy. I think most of us would agree that despite the offensive issues he's overall a good player and an asset to our team. That said, he's far from a perfect player and there's a risk that he never develops a serviceable offensive game. That's one potential issue. The other risk is that we currently overvalue his game because his contributions (hustle, defense) are so hard to measure.

In light of those risks, and in consideration of the fact we now have an all-star caliber point guard in IT, I think Smart is a tradeable asset. One of the best ways to get ahead in this league is by selling high on assets, which means you need to flip them before their value diminishes. Ainge did this to masterful effect with Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett in the Brooklyn trade.

In contrast, it's obvious in retrospect that Ainge held on to Rondo far, far too long. There was a time when Rondo-for-CP3 rumors were a real thing... and people thought that Boston would have been getting the losing end of that trade. Obviously there's always a chance that a trade backfires, but you have to take risks in order to win big in this league.

As it pertains to Smart, if I were Ainge I would wager that there's a fair chance Smart's value never rises beyond where it's at now. I think it's time to sell high.

TP Well written...my only question is, when Smart is paired with Crowder (and possibly another top defender in the future) does he jump from "great defensively" to elite? If so, wouldn't he be virtually irreplaceable on the defensive end?

Re: Is Smart expendable?
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2016, 02:30:59 PM »

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At one time i would have said "no" to the question. But lately Marcus' learning curve is looking like it's hit a bump. Much of the time he looks like a kid trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. And just keep trying to fit it in.

Right now the market has to be down on Marcus. The best bet is to keep him, and try to develop him while he's still on his rookie contract. If during this time Danny and Brad feel Marcus will never be the contributor on offense they thought he would be, and not withstanding his potential as an all NBA defense guard. Then all options should be kept open. 
 

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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2016, 02:57:31 PM »

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Not sure who/why another nba team would offer anything significant - late 1st round pick? - aging vet on bad contract?

Celts don't need any more picks -and unless vet puts them over the top - no room for bad contract

Would rather use money on turner and free agents

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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2016, 03:11:10 PM »

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I don't think Marcus is at his highest value by any means.  I think he's going to be a very valuable player.  He turned 22yo just 3 weeks ago.  He is 2 weeks younger than Terry Rozier and 6 months younger than RJ Hunter (not to mention only 4 months older than Jordan Mickey)!

That said, Marcus plus the 12th pick and/or the Brooklyn pick (if not top 2) might bring back something worthwhile -- whether it's a move up the draft to get someone Danny covets or a  position upgrade.   Smart has a unique skill set but I think this team survives fine without him given the current options at guard and possible draft/FA additons at guard.

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« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2016, 03:13:55 PM »

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I guess I'm not ure what expandable means to everyone. If we just cut him, would we get worse? Yes. Would it destroy our team? No. I dissagree with now being a high point to sell him at. His trade value probably isn't going to bring in someone in a fair trade that really moves the needle to much and I would bet that he gets better and better year by year. He can't bolt on us soon, so why trade him unless we get someone clearly better. Also, we have great D by AB and Jae and IT has been better than advertised and IT really hasen't been the D liability you might think, so a lot of Smarts value is hidden because everyone is decent to good on D.