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Which guard would you take with a top 5 pick?

Buddy Hield
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Jamal Murray
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Kris Dunn
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What if the BPA is a guard? Dunn, Murray, or Hield?
« on: March 25, 2016, 01:54:16 PM »

Offline PhoSita

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Imagine the Celts end up with pick #3, #4, or #5.  Seems fairly likely right now with where the Brooklyn pick is situated.

Imagine the Best Player Available in that spot is judged to be a guard.

That, too, seems likely.

Take your pick:

Buddy Hield, Jamal Murray, Kris Dunn. 


Which one would you take?   The pure point with great size in Dunn?  The braggadocio scorer in Hield? Or the much younger, high upside combo guard with elements of the other two in Murray?
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Re: What if the BPA is a guard? Dunn, Murray, or Hield?
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2016, 02:00:23 PM »

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Trade the pick or draft Hield and trade away one of the guards.

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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2016, 02:01:33 PM »

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I think my answer is Hield or Murray. 

Makes Bradley replaceable.  Makes it easier to include Smart in a trade for a big.  Provides an eventual heir to Isaiah once he begins a rapid decline in 2-3 years.  Should be able to play beside any of our current guards.
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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2016, 02:07:21 PM »

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If we're going only by BPA, it's Kris Dunn all day every day. Immediate contributor, ability to get to his spot at any time and an improving jump shot. Also a great rebounder for position and the potential to become an elite defender.
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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2016, 02:10:16 PM »

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Was on the Murray bandwagon but I think I've jumped to the Hield bandwagon now.
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2016, 02:10:31 PM »

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If we're going only by BPA, it's Kris Dunn all day every day. Immediate contributor, ability to get to his spot at any time and an improving jump shot. Also a great rebounder for position and the potential to become an elite defender.

I worry about whether Dunn has much upside, and I also worry about his jumper.  I feel like he could just be a poor man's John Wall, or an older version of Dennis Schroder.

Hield and Murray look like shot-makers with some ability to create for others.  That's a weak skillset unless it's truly superlative, but it seems like Hield, at least, may be on that level. 


Shooting guard is one of the easiest spots to fill with an adequate defender and shooter, but it's one of the hardest positions to fill with a guy who is a genuine can't-stop-this scorer.  The Celts could definitely use that.
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Out of the three, I would definitely pick Buddy Hield.
I think Dunn shares some similarities to Rozier, which is why I wouldn't pick him. Hield on the other hand could prove to be a big scorer in the NBA hence why he would be a good asset to have from our bench (especially after Isaiah got promoted to a starter).
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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2016, 02:16:32 PM »

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Hield is climbing .  That performance last game was clutch

you knew he was going to try to take over and still couldn't stop him

Teams look nervous when he has the ball in his hands/receive passes

I would say Hield above the other two. Then it will depend what the team drafting will need (pure SG or PG). 

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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2016, 02:20:03 PM »

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Option 1 trade the pick.
Option 2 take Heild and shop AB.
Option 3 take Brown he replaces Turner
Option 4 take Murray shop Hunter and Young
Option 5 take Lab and gamble big. No on Dunn.

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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2016, 02:30:06 PM »

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If we're going only by BPA, it's Kris Dunn all day every day. Immediate contributor, ability to get to his spot at any time and an improving jump shot. Also a great rebounder for position and the potential to become an elite defender.

I worry about whether Dunn has much upside, and I also worry about his jumper.  I feel like he could just be a poor man's John Wall, or an older version of Dennis Schroder.


Could be. However, I think he actually has the most upside of the three. He's 6' 4" with excellent athleticism and a long wing span. I think style-wise he could be a poor man's Westbrook -- almost nobody can match Russ' athleticism.


I think his basement is fantastic though. He's a sure thing as a floor general. Fantastic penetrator, excellent passer and a quality finisher. I think his shooting woes are a bit overblown. He can definitely make threes -- shot 38% this year -- and more importantly create his own shot. You also have to consider that his shooting issues were exacerbated by a brutal supporting cast outside of Bentil.

I think he's about the closest thing to a sure thing as you can find in this draft.


Hield and Murray look like shot-makers with some ability to create for others.  That's a weak skillset unless it's truly superlative, but it seems like Hield, at least, may be on that level. 


Shooting guard is one of the easiest spots to fill with an adequate defender and shooter, but it's one of the hardest positions to fill with a guy who is a genuine can't-stop-this scorer.  The Celts could definitely use that.

I don't think Hield is all that great of a passer. He's obviously asked to be the Sooners' alpha dog scorer, but just 2 assists per game on 30% usage doesn't scream facilitator. I also worry about his ability to get to his spot in the pro's. He's an absolutely lights out shooter, but I think he'll struggle with high quality defenders -- there's a notable lack of wing stoppers in the Big 12. I think he easily has the lowest floor of the three as a spot up shooter off the bench. I think his best case is a CJ McCollum.

I actually really like Murray -- and I think he has a great ceiling -- but I also worry about his ability to create in the pro's. He really struggled when Kentucky used him as the primary ball handler earlier in the year -- most notably in his inability to get by his defenders. He really excelled later in the year playing off ball to Ulis. He's a terrific spot up shooter and does have nice vision as a passer. I think worst case he's a J.J. Reddick, best case a watered-down Lillard (if he tightens his ball handling and improves his first step).
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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2016, 02:33:19 PM »

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Dunn eff stats is bad.  Especially as a shooter/scorer. It's like Marcus smart situation all over again

Can he become more efficient? Turn the ball over less? Improve his shooting?  He had am awkward looking jump shot


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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2016, 02:33:55 PM »

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If Hield's best case is CJ McCollum, I'm OK with that.  McCollum is a good player.  Efficient 20 point per game scorer on a playoff team.

You take that at #3-5 in a relatively weak draft every time.  With a smile.
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Dunn eff stats is bad.  Especially as a shooter/scorer. It's like Marcus smart situation all over again

Can he become more efficient? Turn the ball over less? Improve his shooting?  He had am awkward looking jump shot

Smart and Dunn's offensive games are day and night. Marcus may never have the ball-handling, penetration and passing skills that Dunn already possesses.
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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2016, 02:37:27 PM »

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If Hield's best case is CJ McCollum, I'm OK with that.  McCollum is a good player.  Efficient 20 point per game scorer on a playoff team.

You take that at #3-5 in a relatively weak draft every time.  With a smile.

For sure. I'm a huge CJ fan -- I drafted and own him in the DKC -- but I'm worried more about Hield's floor as an Anthony Morrow for a pick in the 3-5 range.
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I wasn't a big fan of Hield to start the season but he has won me over.  I actually think that Hield and Ingram are the two best fits for the C's.  Hield is an amazing scorer.  Averaging 25 pts a game while shooting 50% from the field 46% from 3 and 88% from the line.  While playing in one of the best conferences in the country.  Thomas and Hield back court sure would be nice....