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Re: I can see the Celtics drafting Domantas Sabonis
« Reply #135 on: March 30, 2016, 04:43:06 PM »

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Exactly.

I would rather have a big with enough quickness and length to disrupt pick and rolls and to be able to guard multiple positions from switches than a big who can block shots.

Re: I can see the Celtics drafting Domantas Sabonis
« Reply #136 on: March 30, 2016, 07:31:40 PM »

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How high could Sabonis go in the draft? How low?

Ppl OK with Sabonis replacing sully?

I think he could go in the late lottery. Hard for me to see him cracking the top 10 unless some new info comes out, like he grew 2 inches or something.

I like Sabonis a lot, and I thought he'd be a really good option at around #16. Now that the Mavs pick is likely to be 12 or 13, I'm guessing there will be better options. DX has Labissiere, Jackson and Luwawu 10-11-12 right how, and I'd prefer any of them over a talented but not well-rounded prospect like Sabonis. Especially Demetrius Jackson looks like an awesome option - he's just sooooo athletic, and he could be a knockdown shooter if he doesn't have to create every shot for himself (113/139 FTs this year). He's pretty redundant with Rozier, though.

He is 6'11 in shoes.  That is more than a good height for a PF.  Plus strong like an ox and he is considered skinny. 

How is it that Poeltl is rated to go 7-12 and Sabonis later?  To me that is laughable.  Sabonis torched him in their meeting in the sweet sixteen game.   These are the kind of games that are the better indicators as to how one will perform at the next level vs beating up on lower level schools/players

also  Labissiere over Sabonis??  Yeah on paper you take him.  Because he has the wingspan, leaping ability etc.  Per actually performance, IQ, etc.  Sabonis wins

In a full season, stress situation, consistent performance, grinding situations Sabonis wins
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Re: I can see the Celtics drafting Domantas Sabonis
« Reply #137 on: March 30, 2016, 08:56:27 PM »

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How high could Sabonis go in the draft? How low?

Ppl OK with Sabonis replacing sully?

I think he could go in the late lottery. Hard for me to see him cracking the top 10 unless some new info comes out, like he grew 2 inches or something.

I like Sabonis a lot, and I thought he'd be a really good option at around #16. Now that the Mavs pick is likely to be 12 or 13, I'm guessing there will be better options. DX has Labissiere, Jackson and Luwawu 10-11-12 right how, and I'd prefer any of them over a talented but not well-rounded prospect like Sabonis. Especially Demetrius Jackson looks like an awesome option - he's just sooooo athletic, and he could be a knockdown shooter if he doesn't have to create every shot for himself (113/139 FTs this year). He's pretty redundant with Rozier, though.

He is 6'11 in shoes.  That is more than a good height for a PF.  Plus strong like an ox and he is considered skinny. 

How is it that Poeltl is rated to go 7-12 and Sabonis later?  To me that is laughable.  Sabonis torched him in their meeting in the sweet sixteen game.   These are the kind of games that are the better indicators as to how one will perform at the next level vs beating up on lower level schools/players

also  Labissiere over Sabonis??  Yeah on paper you take him.  Because he has the wingspan, leaping ability etc.  Per actually performance, IQ, etc.  Sabonis wins

In a full season, stress situation, consistent performance, grinding situations Sabonis wins

Triboy, you continue to harp on one game, in which Poeltl was hurt by early foul problems, and Sabonis did most of his damage when Poeltl was not in the game. However, over the summer they faced each other as well, this time in International competition where the talent level is superior to college, and Poeltl had his way with him.


Sabonis and Poeltl, each European talents, faced off over the summer in an international friendly. Sabonis scored 8 points and pulled down four rebounds as Lithuania defeated Austria, 86-71, that day; Poeltl scored 27 points in 28 minutes, on 11-of-15 shooting from the field.

He's a very, very talented big man," Sabonis said, recounting that game. "He had a great game against us that summer. I know (Saturday) night's going to be very tough. It's going to be tough to stop him. I'm going to have my team to help me out. I'm just really excited to play."


So while Sabonis may have had the better game in the tournament, that wasn't the case in their previous contest. But to answer your question as to why Poeltl is the better prospect, it has to do with positional size, mobility, and interior defense. Sabonis can get away with playing the 5 in college, but not in the pros. At that level, he'll be forced to matchup against really good athletes at the spot and offensively prove he can be a threat out to 3pt range to keep defenses honest. Poeltl projects as a true 5 on the next level and can be the rim protector teams covet.


Re: I can see the Celtics drafting Domantas Sabonis
« Reply #138 on: March 31, 2016, 12:23:47 AM »

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How high could Sabonis go in the draft? How low?

Ppl OK with Sabonis replacing sully?

I think he could go in the late lottery. Hard for me to see him cracking the top 10 unless some new info comes out, like he grew 2 inches or something.

I like Sabonis a lot, and I thought he'd be a really good option at around #16. Now that the Mavs pick is likely to be 12 or 13, I'm guessing there will be better options. DX has Labissiere, Jackson and Luwawu 10-11-12 right how, and I'd prefer any of them over a talented but not well-rounded prospect like Sabonis. Especially Demetrius Jackson looks like an awesome option - he's just sooooo athletic, and he could be a knockdown shooter if he doesn't have to create every shot for himself (113/139 FTs this year). He's pretty redundant with Rozier, though.

He is 6'11 in shoes.  That is more than a good height for a PF.  Plus strong like an ox and he is considered skinny. 

How is it that Poeltl is rated to go 7-12 and Sabonis later?  To me that is laughable.  Sabonis torched him in their meeting in the sweet sixteen game.   These are the kind of games that are the better indicators as to how one will perform at the next level vs beating up on lower level schools/players

also  Labissiere over Sabonis??  Yeah on paper you take him.  Because he has the wingspan, leaping ability etc.  Per actually performance, IQ, etc.  Sabonis wins

In a full season, stress situation, consistent performance, grinding situations Sabonis wins

Triboy, you continue to harp on one game, in which Poeltl was hurt by early foul problems, and Sabonis did most of his damage when Poeltl was not in the game. However, over the summer they faced each other as well, this time in International competition where the talent level is superior to college, and Poeltl had his way with him.


Sabonis and Poeltl, each European talents, faced off over the summer in an international friendly. Sabonis scored 8 points and pulled down four rebounds as Lithuania defeated Austria, 86-71, that day; Poeltl scored 27 points in 28 minutes, on 11-of-15 shooting from the field.

He's a very, very talented big man," Sabonis said, recounting that game. "He had a great game against us that summer. I know (Saturday) night's going to be very tough. It's going to be tough to stop him. I'm going to have my team to help me out. I'm just really excited to play."


So while Sabonis may have had the better game in the tournament, that wasn't the case in their previous contest. But to answer your question as to why Poeltl is the better prospect, it has to do with positional size, mobility, and interior defense. Sabonis can get away with playing the 5 in college, but not in the pros. At that level, he'll be forced to matchup against really good athletes at the spot and offensively prove he can be a threat out to 3pt range to keep defenses honest. Poeltl projects as a true 5 on the next level and can be the rim protector teams covet.



How many min did Sabonis play? Why did you leave that out?

Well well in their 2nd matchup who got their revenge? What I saw was Poeltl outplayed by a wide margin. He was desperate and Sabonis took away all his strong points. 

Here Eddie20. Watch the domination again below
http://youtu.be/SfUc0GpcGEk

Re: I can see the Celtics drafting Domantas Sabonis
« Reply #139 on: March 31, 2016, 07:21:38 AM »

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How high could Sabonis go in the draft? How low?

Ppl OK with Sabonis replacing sully?

I think he could go in the late lottery. Hard for me to see him cracking the top 10 unless some new info comes out, like he grew 2 inches or something.

I like Sabonis a lot, and I thought he'd be a really good option at around #16. Now that the Mavs pick is likely to be 12 or 13, I'm guessing there will be better options. DX has Labissiere, Jackson and Luwawu 10-11-12 right how, and I'd prefer any of them over a talented but not well-rounded prospect like Sabonis. Especially Demetrius Jackson looks like an awesome option - he's just sooooo athletic, and he could be a knockdown shooter if he doesn't have to create every shot for himself (113/139 FTs this year). He's pretty redundant with Rozier, though.

He is 6'11 in shoes.  That is more than a good height for a PF.  Plus strong like an ox and he is considered skinny. 

How is it that Poeltl is rated to go 7-12 and Sabonis later?  To me that is laughable.  Sabonis torched him in their meeting in the sweet sixteen game.   These are the kind of games that are the better indicators as to how one will perform at the next level vs beating up on lower level schools/players

also  Labissiere over Sabonis??  Yeah on paper you take him.  Because he has the wingspan, leaping ability etc.  Per actually performance, IQ, etc.  Sabonis wins

In a full season, stress situation, consistent performance, grinding situations Sabonis wins

Triboy, you continue to harp on one game, in which Poeltl was hurt by early foul problems, and Sabonis did most of his damage when Poeltl was not in the game. However, over the summer they faced each other as well, this time in International competition where the talent level is superior to college, and Poeltl had his way with him.


Sabonis and Poeltl, each European talents, faced off over the summer in an international friendly. Sabonis scored 8 points and pulled down four rebounds as Lithuania defeated Austria, 86-71, that day; Poeltl scored 27 points in 28 minutes, on 11-of-15 shooting from the field.

He's a very, very talented big man," Sabonis said, recounting that game. "He had a great game against us that summer. I know (Saturday) night's going to be very tough. It's going to be tough to stop him. I'm going to have my team to help me out. I'm just really excited to play."


So while Sabonis may have had the better game in the tournament, that wasn't the case in their previous contest. But to answer your question as to why Poeltl is the better prospect, it has to do with positional size, mobility, and interior defense. Sabonis can get away with playing the 5 in college, but not in the pros. At that level, he'll be forced to matchup against really good athletes at the spot and offensively prove he can be a threat out to 3pt range to keep defenses honest. Poeltl projects as a true 5 on the next level and can be the rim protector teams covet.



How many min did Sabonis play? Why did you leave that out?

Well well in their 2nd matchup who got their revenge? What I saw was Poeltl outplayed by a wide margin. He was desperate and Sabonis took away all his strong points. 

Here Eddie20. Watch the domination again below
http://youtu.be/SfUc0GpcGEk

Weak.

Re: I can see the Celtics drafting Domantas Sabonis
« Reply #140 on: March 31, 2016, 07:33:34 AM »

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How high could Sabonis go in the draft? How low?

Ppl OK with Sabonis replacing sully?

I think he could go in the late lottery. Hard for me to see him cracking the top 10 unless some new info comes out, like he grew 2 inches or something.

I like Sabonis a lot, and I thought he'd be a really good option at around #16. Now that the Mavs pick is likely to be 12 or 13, I'm guessing there will be better options. DX has Labissiere, Jackson and Luwawu 10-11-12 right how, and I'd prefer any of them over a talented but not well-rounded prospect like Sabonis. Especially Demetrius Jackson looks like an awesome option - he's just sooooo athletic, and he could be a knockdown shooter if he doesn't have to create every shot for himself (113/139 FTs this year). He's pretty redundant with Rozier, though.

He is 6'11 in shoes.  That is more than a good height for a PF.  Plus strong like an ox and he is considered skinny. 

How is it that Poeltl is rated to go 7-12 and Sabonis later?  To me that is laughable.  Sabonis torched him in their meeting in the sweet sixteen game.   These are the kind of games that are the better indicators as to how one will perform at the next level vs beating up on lower level schools/players

also  Labissiere over Sabonis??  Yeah on paper you take him.  Because he has the wingspan, leaping ability etc.  Per actually performance, IQ, etc.  Sabonis wins

In a full season, stress situation, consistent performance, grinding situations Sabonis wins

Triboy, you continue to harp on one game, in which Poeltl was hurt by early foul problems, and Sabonis did most of his damage when Poeltl was not in the game. However, over the summer they faced each other as well, this time in International competition where the talent level is superior to college, and Poeltl had his way with him.


Sabonis and Poeltl, each European talents, faced off over the summer in an international friendly. Sabonis scored 8 points and pulled down four rebounds as Lithuania defeated Austria, 86-71, that day; Poeltl scored 27 points in 28 minutes, on 11-of-15 shooting from the field.

He's a very, very talented big man," Sabonis said, recounting that game. "He had a great game against us that summer. I know (Saturday) night's going to be very tough. It's going to be tough to stop him. I'm going to have my team to help me out. I'm just really excited to play."


So while Sabonis may have had the better game in the tournament, that wasn't the case in their previous contest. But to answer your question as to why Poeltl is the better prospect, it has to do with positional size, mobility, and interior defense. Sabonis can get away with playing the 5 in college, but not in the pros. At that level, he'll be forced to matchup against really good athletes at the spot and offensively prove he can be a threat out to 3pt range to keep defenses honest. Poeltl projects as a true 5 on the next level and can be the rim protector teams covet.



How many min did Sabonis play? Why did you leave that out?

Well well in their 2nd matchup who got their revenge? What I saw was Poeltl outplayed by a wide margin. He was desperate and Sabonis took away all his strong points. 

Here Eddie20. Watch the domination again below
http://youtu.be/SfUc0GpcGEk

Weak.

Watch the highlights. You will find the answers.

Re: I can see the Celtics drafting Domantas Sabonis
« Reply #141 on: March 31, 2016, 08:50:02 AM »

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Another highlights clip.  Gonzaga vs Utah a few weeks ago .  much better indicator vs an international game last off season.

Sabonis 19 pts. Poeltl I think only had 6 pts?
http://youtu.be/oWGVgu_qWsM

Re: I can see the Celtics drafting Domantas Sabonis
« Reply #142 on: March 31, 2016, 09:35:46 AM »

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I don't think that it's unreasonable that we could draft both Poeltl and Sabonis. Would be a great haul, I think.

Also, for the younger folks out there who haven't seen Sabonis' daddy play, there's this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18tnToDLHV4
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Re: I can see the Celtics drafting Domantas Sabonis
« Reply #143 on: March 31, 2016, 09:47:39 AM »

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I don't think that it's unreasonable that we could draft both Poeltl and Sabonis. Would be a great haul, I think.

Also, for the younger folks out there who haven't seen his daddy play, there's this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18tnToDLHV4

A. Sabonis was one of the best centers to play the game. He outplayed opponents often with two bum knees later on his career

His Son is not as big or talented. But you can tell A. Sabonis taught him alot. Especially tricks some modern prospects have no clue about

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I don't think that it's unreasonable that we could draft both Poeltl and Sabonis. Would be a great haul, I think.

Also, for the younger folks out there who haven't seen Sabonis' daddy play, there's this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18tnToDLHV4

While he was still very good for a stint with the Blazers, its a shame that we couldn't have seen him in the NBA in the 80s before the injuries had taken a real toll on his body.


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Re: I can see the Celtics drafting Domantas Sabonis
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I don't think that it's unreasonable that we could draft both Poeltl and Sabonis. Would be a great haul, I think.

Also, for the younger folks out there who haven't seen his daddy play, there's this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18tnToDLHV4

A. Sabonis was one of the best centers to play the game. He outplayed opponents often with two bum knees later on his career

His Son is not as big or talented. But you can tell A. Sabonis taught him alot. Especially tricks some modern prospects have no clue about
Of course not. That's some big shoes to fill. But he's not undersized, he's skilled, and has dominated the NCAA as a sophomore (17 and 12 is no chopped liver). I think it's worth taking a chance to see how good he's going to be once he grows into his body. Physically, 20-year-old bigs just aren't finished products.
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I don't think that it's unreasonable that we could draft both Poeltl and Sabonis. Would be a great haul, I think.

Also, for the younger folks out there who haven't seen Sabonis' daddy play, there's this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18tnToDLHV4

While he was still very good for a stint with the Blazers, its a shame that we couldn't have seen him in the NBA in the 80s before the injuries had taken a real toll on his body.
Absolutely. He gave the Blazers a season of 16/10/3 with a block and a steal at an age of 33(!), injuries and all. And he played 73 games. Just a phenomenal, all-around player.
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« Reply #147 on: March 31, 2016, 10:23:48 AM »

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I don't think that it's unreasonable that we could draft both Poeltl and Sabonis. Would be a great haul, I think.

Also, for the younger folks out there who haven't seen Sabonis' daddy play, there's this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18tnToDLHV4

While he was still very good for a stint with the Blazers, its a shame that we couldn't have seen him in the NBA in the 80s before the injuries had taken a real toll on his body.
Absolutely. He gave the Blazers a season of 16/10/3 with a block and a steal at an age of 33(!), injuries and all. And he played 73 games. Just a phenomenal, all-around player.

Those hook passes, behind the back passes.  Not many centers can do this.

Yep, his son is going to be a tough player in the NBA.  He has a heart of a champion. If Gonzaga just had another decent player , they get past Syracuse

Also don't forget he did a good job as a freshman covering Okafor during the tourney game last year.   

A jae crowder pf version in the nba imo

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« Reply #148 on: March 31, 2016, 10:30:24 AM »

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I don't think that it's unreasonable that we could draft both Poeltl and Sabonis. Would be a great haul, I think.

Also, for the younger folks out there who haven't seen Sabonis' daddy play, there's this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18tnToDLHV4

While he was still very good for a stint with the Blazers, its a shame that we couldn't have seen him in the NBA in the 80s before the injuries had taken a real toll on his body.
Absolutely. He gave the Blazers a season of 16/10/3 with a block and a steal at an age of 33(!), injuries and all. And he played 73 games. Just a phenomenal, all-around player.

Those hook passes, behind the back passes.  Not many centers can do this.

Yep, his son is going to be a tough player in the NBA.  He has a heart of a champion. If Gonzaga just had another decent player , they get past Syracuse

Also don't forget he did a good job as a freshman covering Okafor during the tourney game last year.   

A jae crowder pf version in the nba imo

Did you forget about Wiltjer?

Re: I can see the Celtics drafting Domantas Sabonis
« Reply #149 on: March 31, 2016, 10:48:34 AM »

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I don't think that it's unreasonable that we could draft both Poeltl and Sabonis. Would be a great haul, I think.

Also, for the younger folks out there who haven't seen Sabonis' daddy play, there's this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18tnToDLHV4

While he was still very good for a stint with the Blazers, its a shame that we couldn't have seen him in the NBA in the 80s before the injuries had taken a real toll on his body.
Absolutely. He gave the Blazers a season of 16/10/3 with a block and a steal at an age of 33(!), injuries and all. And he played 73 games. Just a phenomenal, all-around player.

Those hook passes, behind the back passes.  Not many centers can do this.

Yep, his son is going to be a tough player in the NBA.  He has a heart of a champion. If Gonzaga just had another decent player , they get past Syracuse

Also don't forget he did a good job as a freshman covering Okafor during the tourney game last year.   

A jae crowder pf version in the nba imo

Did you forget about Wiltjer?

What about him?

Mid - late 2nd round prospect