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Re: Buddy Hield vs VCU
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2016, 12:47:40 PM »

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I've not watched any college basketball this season. This weekend was my first look at Hield, and my first impression was, "This guy looks like he'll be a pro."
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Re: Buddy Hield vs VCU
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2016, 12:50:27 PM »

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I'm sold on Buddy Hield if we miss on Ingram and Simmons. Kid is a baller. At worst, he could be a guy who starts and plays the JJ Redick role of running around screens and getting a shot. But I think he could be more than that.
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Re: Buddy Hield vs VCU
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2016, 01:05:45 PM »

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Hield is going top 6 imo.  Regardless what happens next game
I'm skeptical he'll go that high.

A lot depends on how he does in workouts, probably a top 10 pick given his season long performance.

I agree with the workout idea.

Also I think there's a Steph Curry effect that may push him up. They are different players but the idea of getting someone who can shoot from anywhere will be hard to pass up for many teams.

Re: Buddy Hield vs VCU
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2016, 01:15:59 PM »

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I haven't watched a ton of college basketball this year, but I definitely haven't seen six players I'd take ahead of Buddy Hield.  I think Ingram is the best pro player I've seen.  His game seems ready made for the NBA.  Then... ?  Hield is probably the next best.  Simmons doesn't look ready.  There aren't any dominant big guys.  Who looks better than Hield?
For next year? I'm not sure anyone is.

The question is who will be better over the entire 9 years or so you have control of a draft pick.

Over nine years?  You only get control over a player for 5.  Unless you are sure this guy is going to be a max guy after 4 years, I'm not sure nine years is an appropriate measure of time.  Maybe Simmons develops into that guy but I've watched maybe four LSU games and frankly Simmons hasn't once looked like an NBA player.  I'm starting to have doubts about what his actual skills are. 

Bender I obviously have no information about.  Murray and Brown seem like JAGs.  The D-League is filled with super athletic guys who can't shoot and good shooters who can't get their own shots.

With restricted free agency, if a team wants to keep a player, it's very likely that player will be around 3-5 years after his rookie deal of four years.  9 years is the upper-bound, but if you're considering whether a pick will have panned out enough to get his second contract, I'd say to look for at least a 7-year time horizon.

But do teams go that far out?

A bazillion things could happen in that timeframe.

I truly don't know...just asking.

Re: Buddy Hield vs VCU
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2016, 01:39:40 PM »

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i have a question on hield. he can obviously score. does anyone here feel qualified to offer opinions and details on him as a defender? passer? someone who can play within CBS offensive schemes?

thanks in advance.
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Re: Buddy Hield vs VCU
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2016, 01:42:20 PM »

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I haven't watched a ton of college basketball this year, but I definitely haven't seen six players I'd take ahead of Buddy Hield.  I think Ingram is the best pro player I've seen.  His game seems ready made for the NBA.  Then... ?  Hield is probably the next best.  Simmons doesn't look ready.  There aren't any dominant big guys.  Who looks better than Hield?
For next year? I'm not sure anyone is.

The question is who will be better over the entire 9 years or so you have control of a draft pick.

Over nine years?  You only get control over a player for 5.  Unless you are sure this guy is going to be a max guy after 4 years, I'm not sure nine years is an appropriate measure of time.  Maybe Simmons develops into that guy but I've watched maybe four LSU games and frankly Simmons hasn't once looked like an NBA player.  I'm starting to have doubts about what his actual skills are. 

Bender I obviously have no information about.  Murray and Brown seem like JAGs.  The D-League is filled with super athletic guys who can't shoot and good shooters who can't get their own shots.

With restricted free agency, if a team wants to keep a player, it's very likely that player will be around 3-5 years after his rookie deal of four years.  9 years is the upper-bound, but if you're considering whether a pick will have panned out enough to get his second contract, I'd say to look for at least a 7-year time horizon.

But do teams go that far out?

A bazillion things could happen in that timeframe.

I truly don't know...just asking.

I think they do, especially for first round picks.  Clearly James Young was a pick for the future, not the present (as an obvious example). Now teams have to weigh how good of a player might be down the line with the cost of keeping him on the roster 3-4 years until he starts to become useful.  Sometimes the need for someone useful, or at least the lack of room for anyone useless, might mean that you pass on the riskier picks.  Other times, it might seem worth it.  But while James Young isn't working out, Avery Bradley was a similar risk and, after a useless first year, or even 1.5 years since it took Doc awhile to try him out, he's turned into a fine contributor.

Meanwhile, teams very much value the controlled contracts that restricted free agency provides.  Before they got cold feet due to injury, the Pistons were willing to trade a first for two months of D-Mo, because they know they can keep him.  Phoenix sent out a lot for Brandon Knight last year under similar circumstances.  So even if you decide you don't want to keep your rookie contract player beyond four years, if he pans out, you can still get a very good return for him on the trade market because of restricted free agency.

Re: Buddy Hield vs VCU
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2016, 02:56:47 PM »

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I'm sold on Buddy Hield if we miss on Ingram and Simmons. Kid is a baller. At worst, he could be a guy who starts and plays the JJ Redick role of running around screens and getting a shot. But I think he could be more than that.
I'm almost at this point. But I don't want another guard. If team moves AB (hopefully for Ibaka) I'd feel good taking Buddy at 3 or 4.

Re: Buddy Hield vs VCU
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2016, 04:09:25 PM »

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I haven't watched a ton of college basketball this year, but I definitely haven't seen six players I'd take ahead of Buddy Hield.  I think Ingram is the best pro player I've seen.  His game seems ready made for the NBA.  Then... ?  Hield is probably the next best.  Simmons doesn't look ready.  There aren't any dominant big guys.  Who looks better than Hield?
For next year? I'm not sure anyone is.

The question is who will be better over the entire 9 years or so you have control of a draft pick.

Over nine years?  You only get control over a player for 5.  Unless you are sure this guy is going to be a max guy after 4 years, I'm not sure nine years is an appropriate measure of time.  Maybe Simmons develops into that guy but I've watched maybe four LSU games and frankly Simmons hasn't once looked like an NBA player.  I'm starting to have doubts about what his actual skills are. 

Bender I obviously have no information about.  Murray and Brown seem like JAGs.  The D-League is filled with super athletic guys who can't shoot and good shooters who can't get their own shots.

With restricted free agency, if a team wants to keep a player, it's very likely that player will be around 3-5 years after his rookie deal of four years.  9 years is the upper-bound, but if you're considering whether a pick will have panned out enough to get his second contract, I'd say to look for at least a 7-year time horizon.
If you're picking in the high lottery and you don't think your pick has the potential to be a max rookie extension type guy then you're picking the wrong guy.

Re: Buddy Hield vs VCU
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2016, 04:44:43 PM »

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i have a question on hield. he can obviously score. does anyone here feel qualified to offer opinions and details on him as a defender? passer? someone who can play within CBS offensive schemes?

thanks in advance.

I'm interested in this as well.

He looks to me like he can be a scorer similar to Marcus Thornton, Eric Gordon, CJ McCollum.  Somewhere along that spectrum. 

But what else can he do at an NBA level?  That'll determine whether he's a microwave scorer, sixth man, or a borderline star.
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Re: Buddy Hield vs VCU
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2016, 07:05:06 PM »

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Buddy Buckets would be a star in Boston. Just a special player to watch. Dude worked his butt off getting to where he is now. I just saw this chart today:


Re: Buddy Hield vs VCU
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2016, 07:19:40 PM »

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I just wanna throw this out there:

Imagine a starting backcourt of IT and Buddy with a bench backcourt of Smart and AB.

ABSOLUTELY LETHAL

Re: Buddy Hield vs VCU
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2016, 07:59:18 PM »

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Not with the top 3 - 4 pick

Re: Buddy Hield vs VCU
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2016, 08:08:03 PM »

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I haven't watched a ton of college basketball this year, but I definitely haven't seen six players I'd take ahead of Buddy Hield.  I think Ingram is the best pro player I've seen.  His game seems ready made for the NBA.  Then... ?  Hield is probably the next best.  Simmons doesn't look ready.  There aren't any dominant big guys.  Who looks better than Hield?
For next year? I'm not sure anyone is.

The question is who will be better over the entire 9 years or so you have control of a draft pick.

Over nine years?  You only get control over a player for 5.  Unless you are sure this guy is going to be a max guy after 4 years, I'm not sure nine years is an appropriate measure of time.  Maybe Simmons develops into that guy but I've watched maybe four LSU games and frankly Simmons hasn't once looked like an NBA player.  I'm starting to have doubts about what his actual skills are. 

Bender I obviously have no information about.  Murray and Brown seem like JAGs.  The D-League is filled with super athletic guys who can't shoot and good shooters who can't get their own shots.

With restricted free agency, if a team wants to keep a player, it's very likely that player will be around 3-5 years after his rookie deal of four years.  9 years is the upper-bound, but if you're considering whether a pick will have panned out enough to get his second contract, I'd say to look for at least a 7-year time horizon.
If you're picking in the high lottery and you don't think your pick has the potential to be a max rookie extension type guy then you're picking the wrong guy.
What is a JAG

Re: Buddy Hield vs VCU
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2016, 09:14:17 PM »

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