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why are YOUNG shooters not SCORING
« on: March 18, 2016, 07:54:28 AM »

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it can be multiple things,rhythm,jacking shots in garbage times,confidence,focus on defense and ball movement on offence-this is hypothetical can weight lifting and bulking upeffect muscle memory,alter vertical
i have seen my sons shooting drop off after growth spurt and weight lifting but he grew 6 inches,i watched several players shot alter from three to mid range at mid range used more vertical and shot flattened
brad said young shot the lights out at practice early in the week
both these guys tried to bulk up-are they deadly shooters in drills-i was rollies top shooter and i know how an ankle injury ,groin pull and even a mild wrist sprain can bother a shot-in my era we were not allowed to lift but did isometrics that increased everyone jump-some added huge increases some less-but we all increased it was measured over period of time
WHAT IS WRONG WITH RJ AND YOUNG
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it can be multiple things,rhythm,jacking shots in garbage times,confidence,focus on defense and ball movement on offence-this is hypothetical can weight lifting and bulking upeffect muscle memory,alter vertical
i have seen my sons shooting drop off after groth sputs and weight lifting but he grew 6 inches,i watched several plauyers shot alter from three to mid range as they used more vertical and shot flattened
brad said young shot the lights out at practice early in the week
both these guys tried to bulk up-are they deadly shooters in drills-i was rollies top shooter and i know how an ankle injury ,groin pull and even a mild wrist sprain can bother a shot-in my era we were not allowed to lift but did isometrrics that increased everyone jump-some added huge increases some less-but we all increased it was measured over period of time
WHAT IS WRONG WITH RJ AND YOUNG

especially with Young I think confidence is an issue and it shows.

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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2016, 08:19:46 AM »

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IMO it's a few reasons, number one... they get few minutes of actual playing time, not enough to relax, fit in, and get into their game, and second, their ignored on offense. The veterans seem to seldom get the ball to the kids in a position where they can find a decent shot.

The C's aren't contending for anything, develop these young players please.   

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it can be multiple things,rhythm,jacking shots in garbage times,confidence,focus on defense and ball movement on offence-this is hypothetical can weight lifting and bulking upeffect muscle memory,alter vertical
i have seen my sons shooting drop off after growth sputs and weight lifting but he grew 6 inches,i watched several plauyers shot alter from three to mid range as they used more vertical and shot flattened
brad said young shot the lights out at practice early in the week
both these guys tried to bulk up-are they deadly shooters in drills-i was rollies top shooter and i know how an ankle injury ,groin pull and even a mild wrist sprain can bother a shot-in my era we were not allowed to lift but did isometrrics that increased everyone jump-some added huge increases some less-but we all increased it was measured over period of time
WHAT IS WRONG WITH RJ AND YOUNG

especially with Young I think confidence is an issue and it shows.

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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2016, 08:39:48 AM »

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i flinch when watching youngs defense and i allways have to put this into the context of being 20yrs old{sometimes it takes days)
  my son is 21 and crazy all over the place, do we cut bait on these two kids at 20 and 22 -lemme tell you the red claws have players setting three point records
-i remember everybody loving the young choice
i am in general against drafting 18 year olds
ah, its a tough life being an armchair general but i do know the difference between good defense and poor and fortunately we have some great which makes poor seem abysmal

why draft these young kids that need mens bodies if you can;t allow them to mature
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With Young I think it's a combination of playing nervous/scared and not having the basketball IQ to move along the perimeter and free himself for a shot off of ball movement. Since he doesn't move a ton on the 3 point line, his jumpers are always contested. It's hard to get into a rhythm if all the shots you take are contested.

With Hunter, I worry that the issue is his release. Since his release is so low, it seems like it is easier to contest from further away. Like Young, pretty much all of the shots he takes are contested.

I don't expect Young to last much longer if he continues to shoot like this.
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i flinch when watching youngs defense and i allways have to put this into the context of being 20yrs old{sometimes it takes days)
  my son is 21 and crazy all over the place, do we cut bait on these two kids at 20 and 22 -lemme tell you the red claws have players setting three point records
-i remember everybody loving the young choice
i am in general against drafting 18 year olds
ah, its a tough life being an armchair general but i do know the difference between good defense and poor and fortunately we have some great which makes poor seem abysmal

why draft these young kids that need mens bodies if you can;t allow them to mature

Young at the time looked like an excellent choice.

An 18 yo who had a good season with Kentucky (14.3 ppg, 34.5 3p%, able to grab some rebs too (5.3 per 40 mins))

The only red flags were his low FT% (70) and esp. his D. But even so, until he had the accident he was a candidate for the draft's top-10.

Most of us thought that DA did the smart thing: drafting a talented player who moved down the draft due to a minor car accident that that did not threaten his bball career.

Then I don't know what happened...I'm even more surprised since Stevens is good at developing young talents. Young is probably the kind of player who needs big mins to gain confidence and perform well, but after two years this is hardly a good enough excuse.

With Hunter, I'm less surprised. He was selected with a lower pick, and he was a player with known flaws to start with. Still, his performance is lower than my low expectations  ;D

He is less afraid to shoot than Young, but he is still very very raw both offensively and defensively.

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Maybe Young has had his mind pre-occupied.

I mean, most of his friends and family have been getting poisoned by their own tap water for the past two years. If what was happening in Flint was happening in my city, I would probably find it pretty hard to do everything necessary for NBA success, especially considering he's only 20 and probably the richest person some of those residents knows. I'll cut him some slack.

He's got some decent skills, he's gotten better at parts of his game. They'll at least give him another year to get it together if he's not moved in a deal.

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1. Its No killer instinct and confidence. These guys are used to being handed things to them since at least 14 years old. They don't know how to deal with being the worst players on a team.
And/Or
2. They need to focus on basketball a crazy amount to reach better levels. But is extremely hard for young players today as they are being gifted so much $ it makes things insane in their personal lives. It's not an easy thing to shut things out.

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Not sure about Hunter, but with Young, I strongly suspect the problem lies with not being good.  I didn't like it when he was drafted.  I'm a huge hater of no-defense scoring wings.
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it can be multiple things,rhythm,jacking shots in garbage times,confidence,focus on defense and ball movement on offence-this is hypothetical can weight lifting and bulking upeffect muscle memory,alter vertical
i have seen my sons shooting drop off after groth sputs and weight lifting but he grew 6 inches,i watched several plauyers shot alter from three to mid range as they used more vertical and shot flattened
brad said young shot the lights out at practice early in the week
both these guys tried to bulk up-are they deadly shooters in drills-i was rollies top shooter and i know how an ankle injury ,groin pull and even a mild wrist sprain can bother a shot-in my era we were not allowed to lift but did isometrrics that increased everyone jump-some added huge increases some less-but we all increased it was measured over period of time
WHAT IS WRONG WITH RJ AND YOUNG

especially with Young I think confidence is an issue and it shows.
i think this is a good point. confidence may not be the only factor, but it is one. his combined stats in the dleague for last year and this are show 19 pts/g and 39.5% in 3 pointers, though it has dropped this year.

plus, CBS says young is shooting great in practice.

so maybe it is ingame confidence. maybe he just is too young and cannot keep up with the nba speed and game right now.

not sure what his future will be. hard to judge on someone so young and only in the second year. some players develop after a few years. some dont. i really dont know what we have in young yet.
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Most of the time, when people are talking about "losing" a shot, they never really had that "good" of a shot to begin with.

Maybe you thought you had a good shot, or you thought your son had a "good" shot, but you actually didn't.

Maybe you just had a lucky couple months shooting, and that made you think your shooting was getting better.

People don't fully realize how subjective the term "good shot" is.

They don't realize how streaky shooting is.

They don't realize how long it takes for the law of averages to truly work itself out.

RJ and Young aren't "losing" their shots, they're just missing shots.
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Young/Hunter/Mickey needs NBA playing time. Thats the only way to improve. Been my knock on CBS. Don't play the young guys enough for they can develop

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it can be multiple things,rhythm,jacking shots in garbage times,confidence,focus on defense and ball movement on offence-this is hypothetical can weight lifting and bulking upeffect muscle memory,alter vertical
i have seen my sons shooting drop off after groth sputs and weight lifting but he grew 6 inches,i watched several plauyers shot alter from three to mid range as they used more vertical and shot flattened
brad said young shot the lights out at practice early in the week
both these guys tried to bulk up-are they deadly shooters in drills-i was rollies top shooter and i know how an ankle injury ,groin pull and even a mild wrist sprain can bother a shot-in my era we were not allowed to lift but did isometrrics that increased everyone jump-some added huge increases some less-but we all increased it was measured over period of time
WHAT IS WRONG WITH RJ AND YOUNG

especially with Young I think confidence is an issue and it shows.
i think this is a good point. confidence may not be the only factor, but it is one. his combined stats in the dleague for last year and this are show 19 pts/g and 39.5% in 3 pointers, though it has dropped this year.

plus, CBS says young is shooting great in practice.

so maybe it is ingame confidence. maybe he just is too young and cannot keep up with the nba speed and game right now.

not sure what his future will be. hard to judge on someone so young and only in the second year. some players develop after a few years. some dont. i really dont know what we have in young yet.

If confidence is indeed the issue with James Young, then the only remedy is more playing time and a bit of luck. He needs a breakthrough game to feel good about himself.


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I think RJ Hunter is a bad shooter. He has a unique fancy form, but he's no Pete Maravich.

I think Young is a good shooter, but he lacks the other parts of the game which might show up with bad shooting. He lacks confidence. He may feel that he is in over his head. He may be correct. Hunter has potential as an all-around player, but he has to stop being flashy and more reliable with his jump shots.

Or bring back Marcus Thornton or Jordan Crawford for some quality chuckers.