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Re: Someone help me understand what CBS is doing starting Smart at sf?
« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2016, 06:02:23 PM »

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This an example of not having that wing player we all agree is missing from this team. If we had several suitable options at the 3, it wouldn't be such a major topic. Beggars can't be choosers.

Smart actually didn't do a bad job on George, he did well while he had him. Paul George is a top 10-15 player in the NBA. He's a load for most SF's in the league. 

Re: Someone help me understand what CBS is doing starting Smart at sf?
« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2016, 06:10:42 PM »

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I would say there is one good word to explain what he was doing - experimenting.

Turner is the obvious solution at SF, but he is so critical to the second unit (especially with Olynyk out) that BS probably thought it was worth giving Smart a shot.

We had success last year with Crowder as our starting SF, and back then Crowder's shooting was terrible (pretty close what Smart's is like now) so Brad probably figured Smart could hopefully do as well at SF ans Crowder did last year.

Pretty sure the experiment wont last long if Smart continues shooting 7 threes a game.  He's starting to become Sully 2.0.

P.s.

People criticised me when I suggested we should go after Kevin Martin when he was bought out -  but I have to say he would he would have been incredibly useful right now.  We could have started Turner and Martin could have covered his bench role. 

This is why we really need more depth at the SF spot.  Hunter and Young are still quite a way from being ready.


Re: Someone help me understand what CBS is doing starting Smart at sf?
« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2016, 06:19:45 PM »

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The league's obsession with matching size with size is what lead to the plethora of untalented oafs liked Sagana Diop and Todd Fuller being drafted in the '90s and '00s to supposedly match up with Shaq. Shaq still destroyed them.

Size is nice if you have it. But at the end of they day, you play your most talented players.

Re: Someone help me understand what CBS is doing starting Smart at sf?
« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2016, 06:48:24 PM »

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People criticised me when I suggested we should go after Kevin Martin when he was bought out -  but I have to say he would he would have been incredibly useful right now.  We could have started Turner and Martin could have covered his bench role. 

This is why we really need more depth at the SF spot.  Hunter and Young are still quite a way from being ready.

Having one bad defender and another who's a little below average on the team?

Re: Someone help me understand what CBS is doing starting Smart at sf?
« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2016, 07:11:50 PM »

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People criticised me when I suggested we should go after Kevin Martin when he was bought out -  but I have to say he would he would have been incredibly useful right now.  We could have started Turner and Martin could have covered his bench role. 

This is why we really need more depth at the SF spot.  Hunter and Young are still quite a way from being ready.

Having one bad defender and another who's a little below average on the team?

Evan Turner is our best player at SF with Crowder out, by a mile.  But we cannot afford to move him to the starting lineup, because we would lose ALL offensive production from our bench with Turner and Olynyk out of the bench rotation.

Having another wing scorer like Kevin Martin would allow us to move Turner to the starting lineup in Crowder's place, and Kevin Martin could replace Turner's offense off the bench.

Having a backup SF is always better than not having one.  He might have barely played, but in the event of something like this happening he'd be a different maker.

We have a ton of depth at guard and in the front court, and we have practically none at the wing.  It's an obvious hole that you just can't afford to have when you are trying to hold on to a #3 seed in a very competitive East. If we lose all three games against Indiana, OKC and Toronto (which we very easily could) then we could drop to as far as 7th seed in the space of 3 games.

Re: Someone help me understand what CBS is doing starting Smart at sf?
« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2016, 09:49:33 PM »

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People criticised me when I suggested we should go after Kevin Martin when he was bought out -  but I have to say he would he would have been incredibly useful right now.  We could have started Turner and Martin could have covered his bench role. 

This is why we really need more depth at the SF spot.  Hunter and Young are still quite a way from being ready.

Having one bad defender and another who's a little below average on the team?

Evan Turner is our best player at SF with Crowder out, by a mile. But we cannot afford to move him to the starting lineup, because we would lose ALL offensive production from our bench with Turner and Olynyk out of the bench rotation.

Having another wing scorer like Kevin Martin would allow us to move Turner to the starting lineup in Crowder's place, and Kevin Martin could replace Turner's offense off the bench.

Having a backup SF is always better than not having one.  He might have barely played, but in the event of something like this happening he'd be a different maker.

We have a ton of depth at guard and in the front court, and we have practically none at the wing.  It's an obvious hole that you just can't afford to have when you are trying to hold on to a #3 seed in a very competitive East. If we lose all three games against Indiana, OKC and Toronto (which we very easily could) then we could drop to as far as 7th seed in the space of 3 games.

I guess me and you are the only ones that see this

As much as balance production from the starting unit and bench unit are important, you need to start off the right way.   

Starting a 6'3 player as a SF is not what you call the right way.   And having him stay in the corner to prepare to launch 3s is not the right way  (he is not a good 3 pt shooter).   

He would be much more at ease and productive at least playing as a SG from the bench.  getting a chance to handle the ball and getting into the rhythm of things too

Re: Someone help me understand what CBS is doing starting Smart at sf?
« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2016, 10:45:34 PM »

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P.s.

People criticised me when I suggested we should go after Kevin Martin when he was bought out -  but I have to say he would he would have been incredibly useful right now.  We could have started Turner and Martin could have covered his bench role. 

This is why we really need more depth at the SF spot.  Hunter and Young are still quite a way from being ready.

Having one bad defender and another who's a little below average on the team?

Evan Turner is our best player at SF with Crowder out, by a mile. But we cannot afford to move him to the starting lineup, because we would lose ALL offensive production from our bench with Turner and Olynyk out of the bench rotation.

Having another wing scorer like Kevin Martin would allow us to move Turner to the starting lineup in Crowder's place, and Kevin Martin could replace Turner's offense off the bench.

Having a backup SF is always better than not having one.  He might have barely played, but in the event of something like this happening he'd be a different maker.

We have a ton of depth at guard and in the front court, and we have practically none at the wing.  It's an obvious hole that you just can't afford to have when you are trying to hold on to a #3 seed in a very competitive East. If we lose all three games against Indiana, OKC and Toronto (which we very easily could) then we could drop to as far as 7th seed in the space of 3 games.

I guess me and you are the only ones that see this

As much as balance production from the starting unit and bench unit are important, you need to start off the right way.   

Starting a 6'3 player as a SF is not what you call the right way.   And having him stay in the corner to prepare to launch 3s is not the right way  (he is not a good 3 pt shooter).   

He would be much more at ease and productive at least playing as a SG from the bench.  getting a chance to handle the ball and getting into the rhythm of things too

Yeah, to be completely honest I just don't think Smart is ready to start yet.

I think he's ready to play a big role off the bench, and I think he's not too far off from being ready to start...but just don't think he is there yet. 

His passion is there, but he needs to become more disciplined in his shot selection and he needs to further refine his overall skill set.

I think size isn't a killer for him.  He's small height wise for the SF spot sure, but he's got strength and length to cover bigger guys in occasions like this.  The thing that kills it is his lack of a remotely consistent jump shot combined with his inability to score at the basket - at this point in time he really is a significant offensive liability. 

Turner can't hit the three but he is a sniper from midrange, and he can get in to the paint at will - and finishes very well there too.  His defence isn't Crowder good but it's solid enough these days to hold his own. 

His ability as a ball handler, rebounder, passer and as a scorer make him easily our best option at SF with Crowder out.  He is capable of creating chaos when he is on the court.

I love Smart - I think he has a bright, bright future.  But he needs more time I think.  Until he reaches the point where he can consistently dominate opposing second units (the way Turner does now) he's just not ready for a starting role.

If he could cut down on the threes it would help, but he needs more refinement to his game too.

Re: Someone help me understand what CBS is doing starting Smart at sf?
« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2016, 10:53:30 PM »

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Starting Smart at the 3 is stupid. Brad's first mistake.
Start James or Clarke and keep the second unit together.

Re: Someone help me understand what CBS is doing starting Smart at sf?
« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2016, 11:03:17 PM »

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Starting Smart at the 3 is stupid. Brad's first mistake.
Start James or Clarke and keep the second unit together.

I'm sorry...WHAT? We should start a very likely bust or a 10 day guy as our SF? The position where KD, PG, and Derozan play? You just lost all credibility on this site.
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

you vs. the guy she tells you not to worry about

Re: Someone help me understand what CBS is doing starting Smart at sf?
« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2016, 12:30:21 AM »

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Starting Smart at the 3 is stupid. Brad's first mistake.
Start James or Clarke and keep the second unit together.

I'm sorry...WHAT? We should start a very likely bust or a 10 day guy as our SF? The position where KD, PG, and Derozan play? You just lost all credibility on this site.

Starting Smart messes up the starting unit and the second unit.
My credibility is intact.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2016, 01:27:33 AM by Chris22 »

Re: Someone help me understand what CBS is doing starting Smart at sf?
« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2016, 12:33:25 AM »

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Starting Smart at the 3 is stupid. Brad's first mistake.
Start James or Clarke and keep the second unit together.

I'm sorry...WHAT? We should start a very likely bust or a 10 day guy as our SF? The position where KD, PG, and Derozan play? You just lost all credibility on this site.

Starting Smart messes up the starting unit and the first unit.
My credibility is intact.

The starting unit IS the first unit. And I don't mind moving smart to the second unit, but to replace him with those guys?
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

you vs. the guy she tells you not to worry about

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Smart vs George. Yeah that is going to play out well.

You start Turner.  Doesn't matter if this weakens the bench. 

A good start to the game is important for a reason. You don't need George to start getting on fire early

We got off to a 20-13 lead in the 1Q when Marcus was in with starters so I don't see the issue?

He got taken out at halfway mark because of 2 fouls, but up to that point Paul George's stat line was:

1-2 for 2 points, 2 boards, 2 turnovers, 2 steals.  Not exactly getting on fire early.

Yeah, I have no idea what Triboy is griping at. Smart made everything really hard on George, even ripping him on an iso. Triboy has also said that Mickey could lockdown George so consider the source.

How many pts did George score? How many did Smart?

In addition how many times did the Celts need to keep one eye on George/double team him once he got the ball?

Do you not think this affects the rest of the lineups play?


Bottom line is, you don't start nor for a long stretch of time place a 6'3 SG/pg on a 6'8-6'9 legit sf. Even if he is not scoring 40 he is hurting you in other ways
george struggled when Smart was in. when turner covered him he quickly got hot.

This is not your best Triboy.

I disagree

Ok by your approval let's leave smart out there vs Durant, Lebron, batum etc and see what happens
now you are truly are providing us with less than "not your best". smart did a good job on george and the team with that arrangement did well.

now you seem down right petulant when you refuse to admit that and then proceed to make comparisons without regard to specific matchups, etc.

sorry tb but this thread is not going anywhere good. time to move on.

Read the rebuttals before responding

How is letting someone score 25 pts (in an efficient manner) , have your team worry about needing to double team plus inefficiency on the offensive end(no impact at all ,playing out of position) good things?

Did you actually watch the game?
TP, Eddie!! T P !!!!

Re: Someone help me understand what CBS is doing starting Smart at sf?
« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2016, 01:05:47 AM »

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People criticised me when I suggested we should go after Kevin Martin when he was bought out -  but I have to say he would he would have been incredibly useful right now.  We could have started Turner and Martin could have covered his bench role. 

This is why we really need more depth at the SF spot.  Hunter and Young are still quite a way from being ready.

Having one bad defender and another who's a little below average on the team?

Evan Turner is our best player at SF with Crowder out, by a mile.  But we cannot afford to move him to the starting lineup, because we would lose ALL offensive production from our bench with Turner and Olynyk out of the bench rotation.

Having another wing scorer like Kevin Martin would allow us to move Turner to the starting lineup in Crowder's place, and Kevin Martin could replace Turner's offense off the bench.

Having a backup SF is always better than not having one.  He might have barely played, but in the event of something like this happening he'd be a different maker.

We have a ton of depth at guard and in the front court, and we have practically none at the wing.  It's an obvious hole that you just can't afford to have when you are trying to hold on to a #3 seed in a very competitive East. If we lose all three games against Indiana, OKC and Toronto (which we very easily could) then we could drop to as far as 7th seed in the space of 3 games.

But they need defense against the more talented wings in the east, Crowder can do that Smart (to an extent) but not Turner or Martin.

Re: Someone help me understand what CBS is doing starting Smart at sf?
« Reply #43 on: March 17, 2016, 01:29:15 AM »

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Starting Smart at the 3 is stupid. Brad's first mistake.
Start James or Clarke and keep the second unit together.

I'm sorry...WHAT? We should start a very likely bust or a 10 day guy as our SF? The position where KD, PG, and Derozan play? You just lost all credibility on this site.

Starting Smart messes up the starting unit and the second unit.
My credibility is intact.

The starting unit IS the first unit. And I don't mind moving smart to the second unit, but to replace him with those guys?

James is a decent defender and Clarke looked like Crowder 2.0.
Instead we have weakened the entire team by playing a two guard at the three.
Brad f ed up.

Re: Someone help me understand what CBS is doing starting Smart at sf?
« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2016, 01:43:51 AM »

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Starting Smart at the 3 is stupid. Brad's first mistake.
Start James or Clarke and keep the second unit together.

I'm sorry...WHAT? We should start a very likely bust or a 10 day guy as our SF? The position where KD, PG, and Derozan play? You just lost all credibility on this site.

Starting Smart messes up the starting unit and the second unit.
My credibility is intact.

The starting unit IS the first unit. And I don't mind moving smart to the second unit, but to replace him with those guys?

James is a decent defender and Clarke looked like Crowder 2.0.
Instead we have weakened the entire team by playing a two guard at the three.
Brad f ed up.
I strongly disagree that James Young is a decent defender. I also disagree that Coty Clarke looks like Jae Crowder 2.0