Someone help me understand what CBS is doing starting Smart at sf?

[Tr1boy]

Smart vs George. Yeah that is going to play out well.

You start Turner.  Doesn't matter if this weakens the bench. 

A good start to the game is important for a reason. You don't need George to start getting on fire early

We got off to a 20-13 lead in the 1Q when Marcus was in with starters so I don't see the issue?

He got taken out at halfway mark because of 2 fouls, but up to that point Paul George's stat line was:

1-2 for 2 points, 2 boards, 2 turnovers, 2 steals.  Not exactly getting on fire early.

Yeah, I have no idea what Triboy is griping at. Smart made everything really hard on George, even ripping him on an iso. Triboy has also said that Mickey could lockdown George so consider the source.

How many pts did George score? How many did Smart?

In addition how many times did the Celts need to keep one eye on George/double team him once he got the ball?

Do you not think this affects the rest of the lineups play?


Bottom line is, you don't start nor for a long stretch of time place a 6'3 SG/pg on a 6'8-6'9 legit sf. Even if he is not scoring 40 he is hurting you in other ways

george struggled when Smart was in. when turner covered him he quickly got hot.

This is not your best Triboy.

I disagree

Ok by your approval let's leave smart out there vs Durant, Lebron, batum etc and see what happens

Triboy, why is that you phrase the thread title in a question, which taken at its root would indicate that you're confused and need help in understanding. However, when people try to help you in your confused state you immediately become dismissive and refuse to acknowledge any of the facts provided.

Ok big guy

Stick to basketball talk instead of your....

[Tr1boy]

Smart vs George. Yeah that is going to play out well.

You start Turner.  Doesn't matter if this weakens the bench. 

A good start to the game is important for a reason. You don't need George to start getting on fire early

We got off to a 20-13 lead in the 1Q when Marcus was in with starters so I don't see the issue?

He got taken out at halfway mark because of 2 fouls, but up to that point Paul George's stat line was:

1-2 for 2 points, 2 boards, 2 turnovers, 2 steals.  Not exactly getting on fire early.

Yeah, I have no idea what Triboy is griping at. Smart made everything really hard on George, even ripping him on an iso. Triboy has also said that Mickey could lockdown George so consider the source.

How many pts did George score? How many did Smart?

In addition how many times did the Celts need to keep one eye on George/double team him once he got the ball?

Do you not think this affects the rest of the lineups play?


Bottom line is, you don't start nor for a long stretch of time place a 6'3 SG/pg on a 6'8-6'9 legit sf. Even if he is not scoring 40 he is hurting you in other ways

george struggled when Smart was in. when turner covered him he quickly got hot.

This is not your best Triboy.

I disagree

Ok by your approval let's leave smart out there vs Durant, Lebron, batum etc and see what happens

there's a risk to this, but I do not think it's a big deal. Smart's defense will help, while he did not shut George down, he was our best defender against him yesterday. There are two problems with this,

A. Indiana set multiple picks for George, so it's not the usual one screen that Smart deals with where he runs the screener over or fight the one screen, he is running against 2 screeners.

B. Smart's offense, it's a problem, because you switch offense for defense. While Turner could've helped a little bit on the offensive side, George will score on Turner a lot easier than he does against Smart.

I do think Smart should be in there PURELY for defense if your assignments are George, Durant or even LeBron. Don't even think about shooting that 3 ball lol.

Tonight's game I would actually change the lineup to Turner however because of Durant's height. 6'10 over 6'4 is just too much in my opinion. Quite honestly, I rather do a starting lineup of

IT/Smart/Turner (or Jerebko)/Sully/Amir for this Thunder game. Smart can guard Westbrook on defense and whoever starts at SF will guard Durant

bottom line is, the Indiana game was our first game without Crowder so it's too early to tell what is going on with Brad's decision. I think we judge during this stretch without Crowder and see what our record is

So why start Turner vs Durant vs smart?

George is only about 2 inches shorter

Why not start smart vs Lebron (nobody has been able to answer)

Smart also did very little on the offensive end.  He did not get to handle the ball.  Just stay in the corner

We need to play to players strengths as best as possible instead of having them do things they will never be good at.   It's like asking dwade to be a 3 pt shooter. 

[Evantime34]

Smart vs George. Yeah that is going to play out well.

You start Turner.  Doesn't matter if this weakens the bench. 

A good start to the game is important for a reason. You don't need George to start getting on fire early

We got off to a 20-13 lead in the 1Q when Marcus was in with starters so I don't see the issue?

He got taken out at halfway mark because of 2 fouls, but up to that point Paul George's stat line was:

1-2 for 2 points, 2 boards, 2 turnovers, 2 steals.  Not exactly getting on fire early.

Yeah, I have no idea what Triboy is griping at. Smart made everything really hard on George, even ripping him on an iso. Triboy has also said that Mickey could lockdown George so consider the source.

How many pts did George score? How many did Smart?

In addition how many times did the Celts need to keep one eye on George/double team him once he got the ball?

Do you not think this affects the rest of the lineups play?


Bottom line is, you don't start nor for a long stretch of time place a 6'3 SG/pg on a 6'8-6'9 legit sf. Even if he is not scoring 40 he is hurting you in other ways

george struggled when Smart was in. when turner covered him he quickly got hot.

This is not your best Triboy.

I disagree

Ok by your approval let's leave smart out there vs Durant, Lebron, batum etc and see what happens

there's a risk to this, but I do not think it's a big deal. Smart's defense will help, while he did not shut George down, he was our best defender against him yesterday. There are two problems with this,

A. Indiana set multiple picks for George, so it's not the usual one screen that Smart deals with where he runs the screener over or fight the one screen, he is running against 2 screeners.

B. Smart's offense, it's a problem, because you switch offense for defense. While Turner could've helped a little bit on the offensive side, George will score on Turner a lot easier than he does against Smart.

I do think Smart should be in there PURELY for defense if your assignments are George, Durant or even LeBron. Don't even think about shooting that 3 ball lol.

Tonight's game I would actually change the lineup to Turner however because of Durant's height. 6'10 over 6'4 is just too much in my opinion. Quite honestly, I rather do a starting lineup of

IT/Smart/Turner (or Jerebko)/Sully/Amir for this Thunder game. Smart can guard Westbrook on defense and whoever starts at SF will guard Durant

bottom line is, the Indiana game was our first game without Crowder so it's too early to tell what is going on with Brad's decision. I think we judge during this stretch without Crowder and see what our record is

So why start Turner vs Durant vs smart?

George is only about 2 inches shorter

Why not start smart vs Lebron (nobody has been able to answer)

Smart also did very little on the offensive end.  He did not get to handle the ball.  Just stay in the corner

We need to play to players strengths as best as possible instead of having them do things they will never be good at.   It's like asking dwade to be a 3 pt shooter.

We won't start Smart on LeBron, because Crowder will be back by the time that game happens (if it does). We don't play the Cavs again this season unless it's in the playoffs.

As to not playing to strengths, if we start Turner, we aren't playing to his strengths because the Amir/Sully combo crowds the paint and takes away a lot of Turner's room to operate. Moving Smart to the starting SF might not be playing to his strengths but it allows everyone else to continue to play to theirs.

[i believe in brad]

Smart vs George. Yeah that is going to play out well.

You start Turner.  Doesn't matter if this weakens the bench. 

A good start to the game is important for a reason. You don't need George to start getting on fire early

We got off to a 20-13 lead in the 1Q when Marcus was in with starters so I don't see the issue?

He got taken out at halfway mark because of 2 fouls, but up to that point Paul George's stat line was:

1-2 for 2 points, 2 boards, 2 turnovers, 2 steals.  Not exactly getting on fire early.

Yeah, I have no idea what Triboy is griping at. Smart made everything really hard on George, even ripping him on an iso. Triboy has also said that Mickey could lockdown George so consider the source.

How many pts did George score? How many did Smart?

In addition how many times did the Celts need to keep one eye on George/double team him once he got the ball?

Do you not think this affects the rest of the lineups play?


Bottom line is, you don't start nor for a long stretch of time place a 6'3 SG/pg on a 6'8-6'9 legit sf. Even if he is not scoring 40 he is hurting you in other ways

george struggled when Smart was in. when turner covered him he quickly got hot.

This is not your best Triboy.

I disagree

Ok by your approval let's leave smart out there vs Durant, Lebron, batum etc and see what happens

there's a risk to this, but I do not think it's a big deal. Smart's defense will help, while he did not shut George down, he was our best defender against him yesterday. There are two problems with this,

A. Indiana set multiple picks for George, so it's not the usual one screen that Smart deals with where he runs the screener over or fight the one screen, he is running against 2 screeners.

B. Smart's offense, it's a problem, because you switch offense for defense. While Turner could've helped a little bit on the offensive side, George will score on Turner a lot easier than he does against Smart.

I do think Smart should be in there PURELY for defense if your assignments are George, Durant or even LeBron. Don't even think about shooting that 3 ball lol.

Tonight's game I would actually change the lineup to Turner however because of Durant's height. 6'10 over 6'4 is just too much in my opinion. Quite honestly, I rather do a starting lineup of

IT/Smart/Turner (or Jerebko)/Sully/Amir for this Thunder game. Smart can guard Westbrook on defense and whoever starts at SF will guard Durant

bottom line is, the Indiana game was our first game without Crowder so it's too early to tell what is going on with Brad's decision. I think we judge during this stretch without Crowder and see what our record is

So why start Turner vs Durant vs smart?

George is only about 2 inches shorter

Why not start smart vs Lebron (nobody has been able to answer)

Smart also did very little on the offensive end.  He did not get to handle the ball.  Just stay in the corner

We need to play to players strengths as best as possible instead of having them do things they will never be good at.   It's like asking dwade to be a 3 pt shooter.

But we did play to Smart's strength which is *being a nagging defender*.  I would say his other strengths at the moment are mostly intagibles, so can't really play to them they just kind of show up organically throughout the game.

I could see the point of your griping if PG dominated Marcus all game but that just wasn't the case and multiple people have stated it here, with evidence.

Smart on PG isn't even on my radar of things to nitpick about from last night.

[Donoghus]

This thread is mind numbing. 

Smart on Paul George was brought on by necessity and it wasn't exactly unconventional.  There was some pretty sound logic by Stevens that plenty of people is this thread have illustrated.   Smart on George was not one of the biggest problems last night.  Lackluster defensive play and a cold streak midway through the 4th Q is what help do the Celtics in.

[arctic 3.0]

Smart vs George. Yeah that is going to play out well.

You start Turner.  Doesn't matter if this weakens the bench. 

A good start to the game is important for a reason. You don't need George to start getting on fire early

We got off to a 20-13 lead in the 1Q when Marcus was in with starters so I don't see the issue?

He got taken out at halfway mark because of 2 fouls, but up to that point Paul George's stat line was:

1-2 for 2 points, 2 boards, 2 turnovers, 2 steals.  Not exactly getting on fire early.

Yeah, I have no idea what Triboy is griping at. Smart made everything really hard on George, even ripping him on an iso. Triboy has also said that Mickey could lockdown George so consider the source.

How many pts did George score? How many did Smart?

In addition how many times did the Celts need to keep one eye on George/double team him once he got the ball?

Do you not think this affects the rest of the lineups play?


Bottom line is, you don't start nor for a long stretch of time place a 6'3 SG/pg on a 6'8-6'9 legit sf. Even if he is not scoring 40 he is hurting you in other ways

george struggled when Smart was in. when turner covered him he quickly got hot.

This is not your best Triboy.

I disagree

Ok by your approval let's leave smart out there vs Durant, Lebron, batum etc and see what happens

there's a risk to this, but I do not think it's a big deal. Smart's defense will help, while he did not shut George down, he was our best defender against him yesterday. There are two problems with this,

A. Indiana set multiple picks for George, so it's not the usual one screen that Smart deals with where he runs the screener over or fight the one screen, he is running against 2 screeners.

B. Smart's offense, it's a problem, because you switch offense for defense. While Turner could've helped a little bit on the offensive side, George will score on Turner a lot easier than he does against Smart.

I do think Smart should be in there PURELY for defense if your assignments are George, Durant or even LeBron. Don't even think about shooting that 3 ball lol.

Tonight's game I would actually change the lineup to Turner however because of Durant's height. 6'10 over 6'4 is just too much in my opinion. Quite honestly, I rather do a starting lineup of

IT/Smart/Turner (or Jerebko)/Sully/Amir for this Thunder game. Smart can guard Westbrook on defense and whoever starts at SF will guard Durant

bottom line is, the Indiana game was our first game without Crowder so it's too early to tell what is going on with Brad's decision. I think we judge during this stretch without Crowder and see what our record is

So why start Turner vs Durant vs smart?

George is only about 2 inches shorter

Why not start smart vs Lebron (nobody has been able to answer)

Smart also did very little on the offensive end.  He did not get to handle the ball.  Just stay in the corner

We need to play to players strengths as best as possible instead of having them do things they will never be good at.   It's like asking dwade to be a 3 pt shooter.

We won't start Smart on LeBron, because Crowder will be back by the time that game happens (if it does). We don't play the Cavs again this season unless it's in the playoffs.

As to not playing to strengths, if we start Turner, we aren't playing to his strengths because the Amir/Sully combo crowds the paint and takes away a lot of Turner's room to operate. Moving Smart to the starting SF might not be playing to his strengths but it allows everyone else to continue to play to theirs.

This is my thought as well.

However I think there is another issue at play, the bench rotation.

With Crowder and Oly out Coach has elected not to play Mickey, Young or Hunter. He did go to Mickey against Utah and Rozier the last few games, but sparingly.

What is it that he doesn't see from Mickey that makes Zeller (the world's softest 7 footer) a preferred option?

How bad do Young and Hunter have to be that Cody Clarke was called on to back up Crowder?

If it is this bad Brad should talk to Danny about bringing in some help on draft night.

On an entirely unrelated note Jerebko stepped up big last night.

[Tr1boy]

Smart vs George. Yeah that is going to play out well.

You start Turner.  Doesn't matter if this weakens the bench. 

A good start to the game is important for a reason. You don't need George to start getting on fire early

We got off to a 20-13 lead in the 1Q when Marcus was in with starters so I don't see the issue?

He got taken out at halfway mark because of 2 fouls, but up to that point Paul George's stat line was:

1-2 for 2 points, 2 boards, 2 turnovers, 2 steals.  Not exactly getting on fire early.

Yeah, I have no idea what Triboy is griping at. Smart made everything really hard on George, even ripping him on an iso. Triboy has also said that Mickey could lockdown George so consider the source.

How many pts did George score? How many did Smart?

In addition how many times did the Celts need to keep one eye on George/double team him once he got the ball?

Do you not think this affects the rest of the lineups play?


Bottom line is, you don't start nor for a long stretch of time place a 6'3 SG/pg on a 6'8-6'9 legit sf. Even if he is not scoring 40 he is hurting you in other ways

george struggled when Smart was in. when turner covered him he quickly got hot.

This is not your best Triboy.

I disagree

Ok by your approval let's leave smart out there vs Durant, Lebron, batum etc and see what happens

there's a risk to this, but I do not think it's a big deal. Smart's defense will help, while he did not shut George down, he was our best defender against him yesterday. There are two problems with this,

A. Indiana set multiple picks for George, so it's not the usual one screen that Smart deals with where he runs the screener over or fight the one screen, he is running against 2 screeners.

B. Smart's offense, it's a problem, because you switch offense for defense. While Turner could've helped a little bit on the offensive side, George will score on Turner a lot easier than he does against Smart.

I do think Smart should be in there PURELY for defense if your assignments are George, Durant or even LeBron. Don't even think about shooting that 3 ball lol.

Tonight's game I would actually change the lineup to Turner however because of Durant's height. 6'10 over 6'4 is just too much in my opinion. Quite honestly, I rather do a starting lineup of

IT/Smart/Turner (or Jerebko)/Sully/Amir for this Thunder game. Smart can guard Westbrook on defense and whoever starts at SF will guard Durant

bottom line is, the Indiana game was our first game without Crowder so it's too early to tell what is going on with Brad's decision. I think we judge during this stretch without Crowder and see what our record is

So why start Turner vs Durant vs smart?

George is only about 2 inches shorter

Why not start smart vs Lebron (nobody has been able to answer)

Smart also did very little on the offensive end.  He did not get to handle the ball.  Just stay in the corner

We need to play to players strengths as best as possible instead of having them do things they will never be good at.   It's like asking dwade to be a 3 pt shooter.

We won't start Smart on LeBron, because Crowder will be back by the time that game happens (if it does). We don't play the Cavs again this season unless it's in the playoffs.

As to not playing to strengths, if we start Turner, we aren't playing to his strengths because the Amir/Sully combo crowds the paint and takes away a lot of Turner's room to operate. Moving Smart to the starting SF might not be playing to his strengths but it allows everyone else to continue to play to theirs.

This is my thought as well.
However I think there is another issue at play, not smart starting but the bench rotation.
with crowder and Oly  out Coach has elected not to play Mickey, Young or Hunter. He went to Mickey against Utah and Rozier the last few games but sparingly.

What is it that he doesn't see from Mickey that makes Zeller (the worlds softest 7 footer)  a preferred option?
how bad do Young and Hunter have to be that Cody Clarke was called on to back up Crowder?

if it is this bad Brad should talk to Danny about bringing in some help on draft night.

It's strange to me also

[Evantime34]

Smart vs George. Yeah that is going to play out well.

You start Turner.  Doesn't matter if this weakens the bench. 

A good start to the game is important for a reason. You don't need George to start getting on fire early

We got off to a 20-13 lead in the 1Q when Marcus was in with starters so I don't see the issue?

He got taken out at halfway mark because of 2 fouls, but up to that point Paul George's stat line was:

1-2 for 2 points, 2 boards, 2 turnovers, 2 steals.  Not exactly getting on fire early.

Yeah, I have no idea what Triboy is griping at. Smart made everything really hard on George, even ripping him on an iso. Triboy has also said that Mickey could lockdown George so consider the source.

How many pts did George score? How many did Smart?

In addition how many times did the Celts need to keep one eye on George/double team him once he got the ball?

Do you not think this affects the rest of the lineups play?


Bottom line is, you don't start nor for a long stretch of time place a 6'3 SG/pg on a 6'8-6'9 legit sf. Even if he is not scoring 40 he is hurting you in other ways

george struggled when Smart was in. when turner covered him he quickly got hot.

This is not your best Triboy.

I disagree

Ok by your approval let's leave smart out there vs Durant, Lebron, batum etc and see what happens

there's a risk to this, but I do not think it's a big deal. Smart's defense will help, while he did not shut George down, he was our best defender against him yesterday. There are two problems with this,

A. Indiana set multiple picks for George, so it's not the usual one screen that Smart deals with where he runs the screener over or fight the one screen, he is running against 2 screeners.

B. Smart's offense, it's a problem, because you switch offense for defense. While Turner could've helped a little bit on the offensive side, George will score on Turner a lot easier than he does against Smart.

I do think Smart should be in there PURELY for defense if your assignments are George, Durant or even LeBron. Don't even think about shooting that 3 ball lol.

Tonight's game I would actually change the lineup to Turner however because of Durant's height. 6'10 over 6'4 is just too much in my opinion. Quite honestly, I rather do a starting lineup of

IT/Smart/Turner (or Jerebko)/Sully/Amir for this Thunder game. Smart can guard Westbrook on defense and whoever starts at SF will guard Durant

bottom line is, the Indiana game was our first game without Crowder so it's too early to tell what is going on with Brad's decision. I think we judge during this stretch without Crowder and see what our record is

So why start Turner vs Durant vs smart?

George is only about 2 inches shorter

Why not start smart vs Lebron (nobody has been able to answer)

Smart also did very little on the offensive end.  He did not get to handle the ball.  Just stay in the corner

We need to play to players strengths as best as possible instead of having them do things they will never be good at.   It's like asking dwade to be a 3 pt shooter.

We won't start Smart on LeBron, because Crowder will be back by the time that game happens (if it does). We don't play the Cavs again this season unless it's in the playoffs.

As to not playing to strengths, if we start Turner, we aren't playing to his strengths because the Amir/Sully combo crowds the paint and takes away a lot of Turner's room to operate. Moving Smart to the starting SF might not be playing to his strengths but it allows everyone else to continue to play to theirs.

This is my thought as well.
However I think there is another issue at play, not smart starting but the bench rotation.
with crowder and Oly  out Coach has elected not to play Mickey, Young or Hunter. He went to Mickey against Utah and Rozier the last few games but sparingly.

What is it that he doesn't see from Mickey that makes Zeller (the worlds softest 7 footer)  a preferred option?
how bad do Young and Hunter have to be that Cody Clarke was called on to back up Crowder?

if it is this bad Brad should talk to Danny about bringing in some help on draft night.

It's strange to me also

Not playing Mickey, Hunter or Young was my big issue with the rotations last night not Smart. I can't help you understand that decision because I don't understand it myself.

[hwangjini_1]

Smart vs George. Yeah that is going to play out well.

You start Turner.  Doesn't matter if this weakens the bench. 

A good start to the game is important for a reason. You don't need George to start getting on fire early

We got off to a 20-13 lead in the 1Q when Marcus was in with starters so I don't see the issue?

He got taken out at halfway mark because of 2 fouls, but up to that point Paul George's stat line was:

1-2 for 2 points, 2 boards, 2 turnovers, 2 steals.  Not exactly getting on fire early.

Yeah, I have no idea what Triboy is griping at. Smart made everything really hard on George, even ripping him on an iso. Triboy has also said that Mickey could lockdown George so consider the source.

How many pts did George score? How many did Smart?

In addition how many times did the Celts need to keep one eye on George/double team him once he got the ball?

Do you not think this affects the rest of the lineups play?


Bottom line is, you don't start nor for a long stretch of time place a 6'3 SG/pg on a 6'8-6'9 legit sf. Even if he is not scoring 40 he is hurting you in other ways

george struggled when Smart was in. when turner covered him he quickly got hot.

This is not your best Triboy.

I disagree

Ok by your approval let's leave smart out there vs Durant, Lebron, batum etc and see what happens

now you are truly are providing us with less than "not your best". smart did a good job on george and the team with that arrangement did well.

now you seem down right petulant when you refuse to admit that and then proceed to make comparisons without regard to specific matchups, etc.

sorry tb but this thread is not going anywhere good. time to move on.

[Tr1boy]

Smart vs George. Yeah that is going to play out well.

You start Turner.  Doesn't matter if this weakens the bench. 

A good start to the game is important for a reason. You don't need George to start getting on fire early

We got off to a 20-13 lead in the 1Q when Marcus was in with starters so I don't see the issue?

He got taken out at halfway mark because of 2 fouls, but up to that point Paul George's stat line was:

1-2 for 2 points, 2 boards, 2 turnovers, 2 steals.  Not exactly getting on fire early.

Yeah, I have no idea what Triboy is griping at. Smart made everything really hard on George, even ripping him on an iso. Triboy has also said that Mickey could lockdown George so consider the source.

How many pts did George score? How many did Smart?

In addition how many times did the Celts need to keep one eye on George/double team him once he got the ball?

Do you not think this affects the rest of the lineups play?


Bottom line is, you don't start nor for a long stretch of time place a 6'3 SG/pg on a 6'8-6'9 legit sf. Even if he is not scoring 40 he is hurting you in other ways

george struggled when Smart was in. when turner covered him he quickly got hot.

This is not your best Triboy.

I disagree

Ok by your approval let's leave smart out there vs Durant, Lebron, batum etc and see what happens

now you are truly are providing us with less than "not your best". smart did a good job on george and the team with that arrangement did well.

now you seem down right petulant when you refuse to admit that and then proceed to make comparisons without regard to specific matchups, etc.

sorry tb but this thread is not going anywhere good. time to move on.

Read the rebuttals before responding

How is letting someone score 25 pts (in an efficient manner) , have your team worry about needing to double team plus inefficiency on the offensive end(no impact at all ,playing out of position) good things?

[Eddie20]

Smart vs George. Yeah that is going to play out well.

You start Turner.  Doesn't matter if this weakens the bench. 

A good start to the game is important for a reason. You don't need George to start getting on fire early

We got off to a 20-13 lead in the 1Q when Marcus was in with starters so I don't see the issue?

He got taken out at halfway mark because of 2 fouls, but up to that point Paul George's stat line was:

1-2 for 2 points, 2 boards, 2 turnovers, 2 steals.  Not exactly getting on fire early.

Yeah, I have no idea what Triboy is griping at. Smart made everything really hard on George, even ripping him on an iso. Triboy has also said that Mickey could lockdown George so consider the source.

How many pts did George score? How many did Smart?

In addition how many times did the Celts need to keep one eye on George/double team him once he got the ball?

Do you not think this affects the rest of the lineups play?


Bottom line is, you don't start nor for a long stretch of time place a 6'3 SG/pg on a 6'8-6'9 legit sf. Even if he is not scoring 40 he is hurting you in other ways

george struggled when Smart was in. when turner covered him he quickly got hot.

This is not your best Triboy.

I disagree

Ok by your approval let's leave smart out there vs Durant, Lebron, batum etc and see what happens

now you are truly are providing us with less than "not your best". smart did a good job on george and the team with that arrangement did well.

now you seem down right petulant when you refuse to admit that and then proceed to make comparisons without regard to specific matchups, etc.

sorry tb but this thread is not going anywhere good. time to move on.

Read the rebuttals before responding

How is letting someone score 25 pts (in an efficient manner) , have your team worry about needing to double team plus inefficiency on the offensive end(no impact at all ,playing out of position) good things?

Did you actually watch the game?

[hwangjini_1]

Smart vs George. Yeah that is going to play out well.

You start Turner.  Doesn't matter if this weakens the bench. 

A good start to the game is important for a reason. You don't need George to start getting on fire early

We got off to a 20-13 lead in the 1Q when Marcus was in with starters so I don't see the issue?

He got taken out at halfway mark because of 2 fouls, but up to that point Paul George's stat line was:

1-2 for 2 points, 2 boards, 2 turnovers, 2 steals.  Not exactly getting on fire early.

Yeah, I have no idea what Triboy is griping at. Smart made everything really hard on George, even ripping him on an iso. Triboy has also said that Mickey could lockdown George so consider the source.

How many pts did George score? How many did Smart?

In addition how many times did the Celts need to keep one eye on George/double team him once he got the ball?

Do you not think this affects the rest of the lineups play?


Bottom line is, you don't start nor for a long stretch of time place a 6'3 SG/pg on a 6'8-6'9 legit sf. Even if he is not scoring 40 he is hurting you in other ways

george struggled when Smart was in. when turner covered him he quickly got hot.

This is not your best Triboy.

I disagree

Ok by your approval let's leave smart out there vs Durant, Lebron, batum etc and see what happens

now you are truly are providing us with less than "not your best". smart did a good job on george and the team with that arrangement did well.

now you seem down right petulant when you refuse to admit that and then proceed to make comparisons without regard to specific matchups, etc.

sorry tb but this thread is not going anywhere good. time to move on.

Read the rebuttals before responding

How is letting someone score 25 pts (in an efficient manner) , have your team worry about needing to double team plus inefficiency on the offensive end(no impact at all ,playing out of position) good things?

doesnt george average 23.4 pts/game? the pacers average 101.9 pts/game and scored 103 last night?

i just am not seeing what the big deal is here in this thread. if the celtics make their open shots at their normal rate, they win the game.

[PhoSita]

Turner is our backup ballhandler so we need him off the bench.  Smart is probably the best option starting at the 3 in terms of providing wing defense and theoretical spot up shooting.

[Evantime34]

Smart vs George. Yeah that is going to play out well.

You start Turner.  Doesn't matter if this weakens the bench. 

A good start to the game is important for a reason. You don't need George to start getting on fire early

We got off to a 20-13 lead in the 1Q when Marcus was in with starters so I don't see the issue?

He got taken out at halfway mark because of 2 fouls, but up to that point Paul George's stat line was:

1-2 for 2 points, 2 boards, 2 turnovers, 2 steals.  Not exactly getting on fire early.

Yeah, I have no idea what Triboy is griping at. Smart made everything really hard on George, even ripping him on an iso. Triboy has also said that Mickey could lockdown George so consider the source.

How many pts did George score? How many did Smart?

In addition how many times did the Celts need to keep one eye on George/double team him once he got the ball?

Do you not think this affects the rest of the lineups play?


Bottom line is, you don't start nor for a long stretch of time place a 6'3 SG/pg on a 6'8-6'9 legit sf. Even if he is not scoring 40 he is hurting you in other ways

george struggled when Smart was in. when turner covered him he quickly got hot.

This is not your best Triboy.

I disagree

Ok by your approval let's leave smart out there vs Durant, Lebron, batum etc and see what happens

now you are truly are providing us with less than "not your best". smart did a good job on george and the team with that arrangement did well.

now you seem down right petulant when you refuse to admit that and then proceed to make comparisons without regard to specific matchups, etc.

sorry tb but this thread is not going anywhere good. time to move on.

Read the rebuttals before responding

How is letting someone score 25 pts (in an efficient manner) , have your team worry about needing to double team plus inefficiency on the offensive end(no impact at all ,playing out of position) good things?

You need to take your own advice. I have now mentioned multiple times on this thread that the Celtics starting lineup outperformed/matched the Pacers starters and you haven't responded to that once.

The Celtics starting lineup of Thomas, Bradley, Smart, Johnson and Sullinger was a +6 last night. Their third most used lineup last night featured Smart at the 3 and was also a +3. Only one lineup with a negative rating featured Smart at the 3 and that lineup was only on the court for 3.2 minutes.

Of the 7 lineups with a negative plus minus last night Turner was playing at the 3 in SIX OF THEM.

The numbers indicate that Smart playing the 3 worked in the Celtics favor and that Turner at the 3 really hurt the C's. The problem last night was that the bench was horrible.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/lineup_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=game&lineup_type=5-man&output=total&year_id=2016&is_playoffs=N&team_id=BOS&opp_id=&game_num_min=67&game_num_max=67&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=ge&c4val=&order_by=diff_pts

You are not right. If you were right this thread wouldn't consist of everyone unanimously disagreeing with you and stats backing them up.

This thread should probably be locked sometime soon.

[alldaboston]

Smart vs George. Yeah that is going to play out well.

You start Turner.  Doesn't matter if this weakens the bench. 

A good start to the game is important for a reason. You don't need George to start getting on fire early

We got off to a 20-13 lead in the 1Q when Marcus was in with starters so I don't see the issue?

He got taken out at halfway mark because of 2 fouls, but up to that point Paul George's stat line was:

1-2 for 2 points, 2 boards, 2 turnovers, 2 steals.  Not exactly getting on fire early.

Yeah, I have no idea what Triboy is griping at. Smart made everything really hard on George, even ripping him on an iso. Triboy has also said that Mickey could lockdown George so consider the source.

How many pts did George score? How many did Smart?

In addition how many times did the Celts need to keep one eye on George/double team him once he got the ball?

Do you not think this affects the rest of the lineups play?


Bottom line is, you don't start nor for a long stretch of time place a 6'3 SG/pg on a 6'8-6'9 legit sf. Even if he is not scoring 40 he is hurting you in other ways

george struggled when Smart was in. when turner covered him he quickly got hot.

This is not your best Triboy.

I disagree

Ok by your approval let's leave smart out there vs Durant, Lebron, batum etc and see what happens

now you are truly are providing us with less than "not your best". smart did a good job on george and the team with that arrangement did well.

now you seem down right petulant when you refuse to admit that and then proceed to make comparisons without regard to specific matchups, etc.

sorry tb but this thread is not going anywhere good. time to move on.

Read the rebuttals before responding

How is letting someone score 25 pts (in an efficient manner) , have your team worry about needing to double team plus inefficiency on the offensive end(no impact at all ,playing out of position) good things?

Do you think PG scored all 25 points on Smart? Because I'm pretty sure Turner was guarding George for serious portions of the game too.

And I'm pretty sure if smart had scored like 4 more points this thread would never have existed. Smh