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Re: Should Marcus Smart be our starting Small Forward?
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2016, 10:26:10 PM »

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Smart is no good offensively off the ball. He needs to be the PG so he can use his size to score. Playing SG and laughable SF is killing his growth and his only advantage. I don't know what BS is thinking putting Smart in at SF. Let Smart play PG and start developing Hunter and Young to replace Turner at backup SG/SF. No more Smart at the SG or SF. C's need their young guys to develop or this team will never win a title. BS needs to get with the development process.

Re: Should Marcus Smart be our starting Small Forward?
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2016, 10:33:15 PM »

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You guys need to understand this is definitely not a permanent move. It's a temporary move to use against stronger SFs that definitely present a challenge for smart to guard, but even more so a challenge for Evan, or Jonas, or RJ, or whoever else you want to put there. Quite simply, there's not gonna be anyone there to replace jae's scoring for the next few weeks. Id rather have someone replace jae's defense than be left with neither.
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Re: Should Marcus Smart be our starting Small Forward?
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2016, 11:55:06 PM »

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Smart is no good offensively off the ball. He needs to be the PG so he can use his size to score. Playing SG and laughable SF is killing his growth and his only advantage. I don't know what BS is thinking putting Smart in at SF. Let Smart play PG and start developing Hunter and Young to replace Turner at backup SG/SF. No more Smart at the SG or SF. C's need their young guys to develop or this team will never win a title. BS needs to get with the development process.

I've seen no reason to believe he can run an offense, so I disagree with him being a the helm at any point. You are only saying that he can use his size because he is big, but face it THIS GUY DON'T DRIVE. He will sit back and shoot a 3 pointer quicker than he will do anything else. Driving is just not his game, he is of no real use.

Only person stunting Smarts growth is Smart. He chooses not to open up his game by driving not BS. Even Zach Levine has shown so much growth, smart maybe just a failed pick point blank. Everyone talks about his D, well Jimmy Bulter has D as well, but O to come with it. AB has D and enough O to be at least a little efficient.

Re: Should Marcus Smart be our starting Small Forward?
« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2016, 12:03:45 AM »

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Smart is no good offensively off the ball. He needs to be the PG so he can use his size to score. Playing SG and laughable SF is killing his growth and his only advantage. I don't know what BS is thinking putting Smart in at SF. Let Smart play PG and start developing Hunter and Young to replace Turner at backup SG/SF. No more Smart at the SG or SF. C's need their young guys to develop or this team will never win a title. BS needs to get with the development process.

I've seen no reason to believe he can run an offense, so I disagree with him being a the helm at any point. You are only saying that he can use his size because he is big, but face it THIS GUY DON'T DRIVE. He will sit back and shoot a 3 pointer quicker than he will do anything else. Driving is just not his game, he is of no real use.

Only person stunting Smarts growth is Smart. He chooses not to open up his game by driving not BS. Even Zach Levine has shown so much growth, smart maybe just a failed pick point blank. Everyone talks about his D, well Jimmy Bulter has D as well, but O to come with it. AB has D and enough O to be at least a little efficient.

he didnt have any "O" his first few years. neither did bradley. or crowder.

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I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Re: Should Marcus Smart be our starting Small Forward?
« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2016, 12:04:53 AM »

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Smart is no good offensively off the ball. He needs to be the PG so he can use his size to score. Playing SG and laughable SF is killing his growth and his only advantage. I don't know what BS is thinking putting Smart in at SF. Let Smart play PG and start developing Hunter and Young to replace Turner at backup SG/SF. No more Smart at the SG or SF. C's need their young guys to develop or this team will never win a title. BS needs to get with the development process.

I've seen no reason to believe he can run an offense, so I disagree with him being a the helm at any point. You are only saying that he can use his size because he is big, but face it THIS GUY DON'T DRIVE. He will sit back and shoot a 3 pointer quicker than he will do anything else. Driving is just not his game, he is of no real use.

Only person stunting Smarts growth is Smart. He chooses not to open up his game by driving not BS. Even Zach Levine has shown so much growth, smart maybe just a failed pick point blank. Everyone talks about his D, well Jimmy Bulter has D as well, but O to come with it. AB has D and enough O to be at least a little efficient.

That is inaccurate.

Just under 42% of all Smart's FGA come from inside 10 feet, and he has a 33.8% Free Throw Rate, which is outstanding (I believe it's top 3 on the team).


Re: Should Marcus Smart be our starting Small Forward?
« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2016, 12:05:54 AM »

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Smart is no good offensively off the ball. He needs to be the PG so he can use his size to score. Playing SG and laughable SF is killing his growth and his only advantage. I don't know what BS is thinking putting Smart in at SF. Let Smart play PG and start developing Hunter and Young to replace Turner at backup SG/SF. No more Smart at the SG or SF. C's need their young guys to develop or this team will never win a title. BS needs to get with the development process.

I've seen no reason to believe he can run an offense, so I disagree with him being a the helm at any point. You are only saying that he can use his size because he is big, but face it THIS GUY DON'T DRIVE. He will sit back and shoot a 3 pointer quicker than he will do anything else. Driving is just not his game, he is of no real use.

Only person stunting Smarts growth is Smart. He chooses not to open up his game by driving not BS. Even Zach Levine has shown so much growth, smart maybe just a failed pick point blank. Everyone talks about his D, well Jimmy Bulter has D as well, but O to come with it. AB has D and enough O to be at least a little efficient.
Let's not pretend we can say Don't drive because half the time his shots are bail out shots. Also he never gets to call the offense. All he ever gets to do at the point is bring the ball up. That is except when at home in OKC when he is green lighted. We get no early offensive possessions to see if he can create or drive.
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Re: Should Marcus Smart be our starting Small Forward?
« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2016, 12:42:03 AM »

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Smart is no good offensively off the ball. He needs to be the PG so he can use his size to score. Playing SG and laughable SF is killing his growth and his only advantage. I don't know what BS is thinking putting Smart in at SF. Let Smart play PG and start developing Hunter and Young to replace Turner at backup SG/SF. No more Smart at the SG or SF. C's need their young guys to develop or this team will never win a title. BS needs to get with the development process.

I've seen no reason to believe he can run an offense, so I disagree with him being a the helm at any point. You are only saying that he can use his size because he is big, but face it THIS GUY DON'T DRIVE. He will sit back and shoot a 3 pointer quicker than he will do anything else. Driving is just not his game, he is of no real use.

Only person stunting Smarts growth is Smart. He chooses not to open up his game by driving not BS. Even Zach Levine has shown so much growth, smart maybe just a failed pick point blank. Everyone talks about his D, well Jimmy Bulter has D as well, but O to come with it. AB has D and enough O to be at least a little efficient.

That is inaccurate.

Just under 42% of all Smart's FGA come from inside 10 feet, and he has a 33.8% Free Throw Rate, which is outstanding (I believe it's top 3 on the team).

I'd be interested to know what percent of his FGA are threes, though
« Last Edit: March 16, 2016, 01:06:12 AM by alldaboston »
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Re: Should Marcus Smart be our starting Small Forward?
« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2016, 01:53:14 AM »

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Smart is no good offensively off the ball. He needs to be the PG so he can use his size to score. Playing SG and laughable SF is killing his growth and his only advantage. I don't know what BS is thinking putting Smart in at SF. Let Smart play PG and start developing Hunter and Young to replace Turner at backup SG/SF. No more Smart at the SG or SF. C's need their young guys to develop or this team will never win a title. BS needs to get with the development process.

I've seen no reason to believe he can run an offense, so I disagree with him being a the helm at any point. You are only saying that he can use his size because he is big, but face it THIS GUY DON'T DRIVE. He will sit back and shoot a 3 pointer quicker than he will do anything else. Driving is just not his game, he is of no real use.

Only person stunting Smarts growth is Smart. He chooses not to open up his game by driving not BS. Even Zach Levine has shown so much growth, smart maybe just a failed pick point blank. Everyone talks about his D, well Jimmy Bulter has D as well, but O to come with it. AB has D and enough O to be at least a little efficient.

That is inaccurate.

Just under 42% of all Smart's FGA come from inside 10 feet, and he has a 33.8% Free Throw Rate, which is outstanding (I believe it's top 3 on the team).

I'd be interested to know what percent of his FGA are threes, though

About 40%.

That's a lot, but it's not significantly more (percentage wise) than Sully took the last two years.

So yeah, the amount of shots he takes < 10 feet versus the amount he takes from three, roughly equal.

Re: Should Marcus Smart be our starting Small Forward?
« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2016, 02:31:57 AM »

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Smart is no good offensively off the ball. He needs to be the PG so he can use his size to score. Playing SG and laughable SF is killing his growth and his only advantage. I don't know what BS is thinking putting Smart in at SF. Let Smart play PG and start developing Hunter and Young to replace Turner at backup SG/SF. No more Smart at the SG or SF. C's need their young guys to develop or this team will never win a title. BS needs to get with the development process.

I've seen no reason to believe he can run an offense, so I disagree with him being a the helm at any point. You are only saying that he can use his size because he is big, but face it THIS GUY DON'T DRIVE. He will sit back and shoot a 3 pointer quicker than he will do anything else. Driving is just not his game, he is of no real use.

Only person stunting Smarts growth is Smart. He chooses not to open up his game by driving not BS. Even Zach Levine has shown so much growth, smart maybe just a failed pick point blank. Everyone talks about his D, well Jimmy Bulter has D as well, but O to come with it. AB has D and enough O to be at least a little efficient.

That is inaccurate.

Just under 42% of all Smart's FGA come from inside 10 feet, and he has a 33.8% Free Throw Rate, which is outstanding (I believe it's top 3 on the team).

I'd be interested to know what percent of his FGA are threes, though

About 40%.

That's a lot, but it's not significantly more (percentage wise) than Sully took the last two years.

So yeah, the amount of shots he takes < 10 feet versus the amount he takes from three, roughly equal.

If he could cut down his threes and instead look to PnR/drive, it'd be great for his game.
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Re: Should Marcus Smart be our starting Small Forward?
« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2016, 02:51:55 AM »

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Smart is no good offensively off the ball. He needs to be the PG so he can use his size to score. Playing SG and laughable SF is killing his growth and his only advantage. I don't know what BS is thinking putting Smart in at SF. Let Smart play PG and start developing Hunter and Young to replace Turner at backup SG/SF. No more Smart at the SG or SF. C's need their young guys to develop or this team will never win a title. BS needs to get with the development process.

I've seen no reason to believe he can run an offense, so I disagree with him being a the helm at any point. You are only saying that he can use his size because he is big, but face it THIS GUY DON'T DRIVE. He will sit back and shoot a 3 pointer quicker than he will do anything else. Driving is just not his game, he is of no real use.

Only person stunting Smarts growth is Smart. He chooses not to open up his game by driving not BS. Even Zach Levine has shown so much growth, smart maybe just a failed pick point blank. Everyone talks about his D, well Jimmy Bulter has D as well, but O to come with it. AB has D and enough O to be at least a little efficient.

That is inaccurate.

Just under 42% of all Smart's FGA come from inside 10 feet, and he has a 33.8% Free Throw Rate, which is outstanding (I believe it's top 3 on the team).

I'd be interested to know what percent of his FGA are threes, though

47% of his FGA are from 3 this season (52% for career). Crimson is mistaken, there.

And while 42% of his FGA come from inside 10 feet, his FG% from 3-10 feet is only 28%. That's pretty special. 
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Re: Should Marcus Smart be our starting Small Forward?
« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2016, 05:40:31 AM »

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He's freaking 5-29 from 3pts for the past 6 games... cmon  son!

Re: Should Marcus Smart be our starting Small Forward?
« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2016, 08:22:27 AM »

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He's freaking 5-29 from 3pts for the past 6 games... cmon  son!

Does that make him the Celtics best 3 point shooter in those 6 games? As a team they have not been shooting well at all. While Smart hasn't helped, he hasn't been the worst.


Re: Should Marcus Smart be our starting Small Forward?
« Reply #42 on: March 16, 2016, 08:31:29 AM »

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No. What is CBS doing??

Re: Should Marcus Smart be our starting Small Forward?
« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2016, 10:51:51 AM »

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Kelly and Crowder combine for 25.5 ppg this season (10.1 +14.4) and our offence was struggling even with them healthy; no wonder we are struggling now.

Despite it all, we stayed close to the end in a difficult game against the Pacers.

Now, specifically on Smart: watching him missing threes was frustrating, but I doubt he did this on his own initiative. It was a calculated risk that did not work out. He could as easily have made a couple of these wide open 3s and this game would have been a different story.

Moreover, Smart played great D against PG.

I would blame CBS if we had better options readily available and did not use them; but he  gave mins even to Coty Clark.


Re: Should Marcus Smart be our starting Small Forward?
« Reply #44 on: March 16, 2016, 09:10:46 PM »

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Ok I give up there are just too many Smart fans (idk why) and I just can't win lol. Long as he starts we will lose.