I like KO, but Giannis is beginning to look like a STUD.

[Eddie20]

Olynyk improved a lot this year.

I'm pretty happy with the draft pick. If Giannis is the only guy to pick before Okynyk, I would say Ainge did well with that pick.

Ainge did well with Smart also. Besides Lavine, who many teams passed, who would you possibly take over him?

The misses are Young and Roz so far.

Another flashy guy who doesn't make his teammates better, but puts up numbers.

[Chris22]

I am so sick of these threads.
Ainge is doing a great job.

[loco_91]

Olynyk was a very good pick. His advanced stats have been great his whole career, and Giannis is the only guy picked after him who looks like he'll probably be even better. KO is very, very far from a bust, and he was a much safer pick than Giannis. There was also no way to know that Giannis was going to grow. Let's pick on Ainge for drafting Rozier and Young, not Olynyk.

[KeepRondo]

Olynyk improved a lot this year.

I'm pretty happy with the draft pick. If Giannis is the only guy to pick before Okynyk, I would say Ainge did well with that pick.

Ainge did well with Smart also. Besides Lavine, who many teams passed, who would you possibly take over him?

The misses are Young and Roz so far.

Another flashy guy who doesn't make his teammates better, but puts up numbers.

Its pretty silly to think Lavine can't end up being a better player than Smart. I would say it's 50/50 between these guys. Obviously Smart is the guy you want now because he's got the mental game figured out. But not every young player is going to have the mental game figured out in their first years like Smart.

[Grindfather]

That whole draft class is one of the poorest in some time. Giannis might make a few All-Star games. Nerlens might become a 1st team All-Defense and possible DPOY candidate if he can ever get out of Philly and play for a real NBA contender. Oladipo, Schroder and Olynyk are great role players. But the rest of that draft class is pure garbage, IMHO. Danny did well to get one of the top 4-5 players in that draft with the 13th pick and I am a guy that hated the Olynyk pick.

You forgot C.J. McCollum and Rudy Gobert, who might be the best player taken in that draft.  It's funny that the OP says this is another draft bust for Ainge, but doesn't say the same thing about the Bucks for passing on Gobert.  KO looks like he'll end up being the 5th or 6th best player from that draft, which is not bad expected value for the 13th overall pick.

[manl_lui]

this article came in at a right time lol

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14927328/milwaukee-bucks-f-giannis-antetokounmpo-nba-most-exceptional-body

[Eddie20]

Olynyk improved a lot this year.

I'm pretty happy with the draft pick. If Giannis is the only guy to pick before Okynyk, I would say Ainge did well with that pick.

Ainge did well with Smart also. Besides Lavine, who many teams passed, who would you possibly take over him?

The misses are Young and Roz so far.

Another flashy guy who doesn't make his teammates better, but puts up numbers.

Its pretty silly to think Lavine can't end up being a better player than Smart. I would say it's 50/50 between these guys. Obviously Smart is the guy you want now because he's got the mental game figured out. But not every young player is going to have the mental game figured out in their first years like Smart.

I never said that. Lavine is young enough to put it together, but he's not as good as his numbers/highlights indicate. Watch the Wolves and notice how he takes bad shot after bad shot and dominates the ball offensively, when he should be playing off of Towns or Wiggins. These ball dominant players that aren't good enough to be ball dominant players on upper echelon teams is a major red flag. Some adjust, a lot don't.

[loco_91]

Olynyk improved a lot this year.

I'm pretty happy with the draft pick. If Giannis is the only guy to pick before Okynyk, I would say Ainge did well with that pick.

Ainge did well with Smart also. Besides Lavine, who many teams passed, who would you possibly take over him?

The misses are Young and Roz so far.

Another flashy guy who doesn't make his teammates better, but puts up numbers.

Its pretty silly to think Lavine can't end up being a better player than Smart. I would say it's 50/50 between these guys. Obviously Smart is the guy you want now because he's got the mental game figured out. But not every young player is going to have the mental game figured out in their first years like Smart.

Lavine... lol. The good news is that he's improved after his disastrous rookie year, when he posted a 20% TOV% and generated -0.7 winshares. The bad news is that he still has <1 career winshares, he is not a point guard, and he's badly undersized for a SG. He's likely to become Avery Bradley minus the awesome defense and plus some highlight-reel dunks. It would be a laughable blunder to trade Smart for him.

[KeepRondo]

Olynyk improved a lot this year.

I'm pretty happy with the draft pick. If Giannis is the only guy to pick before Okynyk, I would say Ainge did well with that pick.

Ainge did well with Smart also. Besides Lavine, who many teams passed, who would you possibly take over him?

The misses are Young and Roz so far.

Another flashy guy who doesn't make his teammates better, but puts up numbers.

Its pretty silly to think Lavine can't end up being a better player than Smart. I would say it's 50/50 between these guys. Obviously Smart is the guy you want now because he's got the mental game figured out. But not every young player is going to have the mental game figured out in their first years like Smart.

Lavine... lol. The good news is that he's improved after his disastrous rookie year, when he posted a 20% TOV% and generated -0.7 winshares. The bad news is that he still has <1 career winshares, he is not a point guard, and he's badly undersized for a SG. He's likely to become Avery Bradley minus the awesome defense and plus some highlight-reel dunks. It would be a laughable blunder to trade Smart for him.

Badly undersized? He's 6'5. Not worth my time arguing with someone who tries to compare Lavine with AB. Lol

[Denis998]

How would have DA predicted him growing 6 inches to become the player he is today?

[KeepRondo]

Olynyk improved a lot this year.

I'm pretty happy with the draft pick. If Giannis is the only guy to pick before Okynyk, I would say Ainge did well with that pick.

Ainge did well with Smart also. Besides Lavine, who many teams passed, who would you possibly take over him?

The misses are Young and Roz so far.

Another flashy guy who doesn't make his teammates better, but puts up numbers.

Its pretty silly to think Lavine can't end up being a better player than Smart. I would say it's 50/50 between these guys. Obviously Smart is the guy you want now because he's got the mental game figured out. But not every young player is going to have the mental game figured out in their first years like Smart.

I never said that. Lavine is young enough to put it together, but he's not as good as his numbers/highlights indicate. Watch the Wolves and notice how he takes bad shot after bad shot and dominates the ball offensively, when he should be playing off of Towns or Wiggins. These ball dominant players that aren't good enough to be ball dominant players on upper echelon teams is a major red flag. Some adjust, a lot don't.

Kind of like Smart who also takes a ton of bad shots.

Lavine is young and he plays on a team full of other young players. It's going to be very difficult for him to play within a system or to have positive advanced stats when the other guys around him are also trying to figure out their game also.

Just looking at the skillset, he has a chance to be a much better offensive player than Smart.

Smart obviously has him on the defensive end.

Also, I'm not saying I would trade smart for him. Just saying he's the only guy in the draft I would consider that Ainge could had chosen over Smart.

[Eddie20]

Olynyk improved a lot this year.

I'm pretty happy with the draft pick. If Giannis is the only guy to pick before Okynyk, I would say Ainge did well with that pick.

Ainge did well with Smart also. Besides Lavine, who many teams passed, who would you possibly take over him?

The misses are Young and Roz so far.

Another flashy guy who doesn't make his teammates better, but puts up numbers.

Its pretty silly to think Lavine can't end up being a better player than Smart. I would say it's 50/50 between these guys. Obviously Smart is the guy you want now because he's got the mental game figured out. But not every young player is going to have the mental game figured out in their first years like Smart.

I never said that. Lavine is young enough to put it together, but he's not as good as his numbers/highlights indicate. Watch the Wolves and notice how he takes bad shot after bad shot and dominates the ball offensively, when he should be playing off of Towns or Wiggins. These ball dominant players that aren't good enough to be ball dominant players on upper echelon teams is a major red flag. Some adjust, a lot don't.

Kind of like Smart who also takes a ton of bad shots.

Lavine is young and he plays on a team full of other young players. It's going to be very difficult for him to play within a system or to have positive advanced stats when the other guys around him are also trying to figure out their game also.

Just looking at the skillset, he has a chance to be a much better offensive player than Smart.

Smart obviously has him on the defensive end.

It sounds like you're describing Gerald Green way back when. How'd that workout?

[KeepRondo]

Olynyk improved a lot this year.

I'm pretty happy with the draft pick. If Giannis is the only guy to pick before Okynyk, I would say Ainge did well with that pick.

Ainge did well with Smart also. Besides Lavine, who many teams passed, who would you possibly take over him?

The misses are Young and Roz so far.

Another flashy guy who doesn't make his teammates better, but puts up numbers.

Its pretty silly to think Lavine can't end up being a better player than Smart. I would say it's 50/50 between these guys. Obviously Smart is the guy you want now because he's got the mental game figured out. But not every young player is going to have the mental game figured out in their first years like Smart.

I never said that. Lavine is young enough to put it together, but he's not as good as his numbers/highlights indicate. Watch the Wolves and notice how he takes bad shot after bad shot and dominates the ball offensively, when he should be playing off of Towns or Wiggins. These ball dominant players that aren't good enough to be ball dominant players on upper echelon teams is a major red flag. Some adjust, a lot don't.

Kind of like Smart who also takes a ton of bad shots.

Lavine is young and he plays on a team full of other young players. It's going to be very difficult for him to play within a system or to have positive advanced stats when the other guys around him are also trying to figure out their game also.

Just looking at the skillset, he has a chance to be a much better offensive player than Smart.

Smart obviously has him on the defensive end.

It sounds like you're describing Gerald Green way back when. How'd that workout?

Lol. Just because two players are placed in similar situations does not make them the same.

It's funny. You go from comparing Lavine to AB to now comparing Lavine to Gerald Green. Your bball eyes need a readjustment.

Sorry you both need to.

I see the other guy made the other reference.

Both references equally bad.

[oldtype]

KO was a solid double by Ainge at #13 and you shouldn't get yourself to feel bad about a double just because the next guy hit a home run.

[danglertx]

I like GA, I really do.  But you know how people on this board can just tell the team is worse with Zeller on the floor, and they are right. The Bucks are worse when GA is on the floor.  He has a -2.4 +/-.  Why is that? I have no idea but these things seem to play out the same season after season.

That was hilarious.  TP.  But last year he was .1 and the year before a -2.3.  Once you get a good sample size, these +/- stats are pretty consistent. 

Maybe he develops into a superstar, I don't know.  But people dogging KO for GA really don't understand how bad GA is/has been and how consistently good KO has been.    KO started -.1, went to 3.5, and now 3.8. 

Your 500th TP!  Congrats!