How can you Justify Poeltl over Ellenson

[Tr1boy]

Even if Poeltl is Zeller 2.0 on offense, his rebounding and interior defense should be much better, which would make him an excellent player, if not a star.

And he's probably Zeller+ on offense, not just Zeller 2.0.

He is Zeller part 2 on the offensive.  I agree will be better defensively but don't expect him to be effective like say Valenciunas

Lets compare Valenciunas to Poeltl.  Valenciunas has a 7-5-7'6 wingspan and 9'3 reach or something like that.   Poeltl on the other hand has a 7'1 wingspan.  Guessing 9'0 or 9'1 reach.    He is not explosive from standstill.  From a headstart yes has some bounce. but so does Zeller

Wingspan and reach for a front court player matters (especially to be a defensive anchor).  You can slice it whichever way you want, it matters.  Unless you have some explosive bounce/timing to compensate (example Tristant Thompson as a rebounder and Mickey as a shot blocker)

He'll likely be a defensive minded, rim running big with a few post moves. That's a good player. Worst case scenario, he's a great backup Center. Best case, he's probably a borderline All-Star, advanced stats darling on a great team.

this is wishful thinking.   You seen either zeller or KO try their moves under the basket at the NBA level.  How did that turn out?   Poeltl has to develop a jump shot and be consistent if he has even has a wink of a chance to be a borderline all star

[max215]

Even if Poeltl is Zeller 2.0 on offense, his rebounding and interior defense should be much better, which would make him an excellent player, if not a star.

And he's probably Zeller+ on offense, not just Zeller 2.0.

He is Zeller part 2 on the offensive.  I agree will be better defensively but don't expect him to be effective like say Valenciunas

Lets compare Valenciunas to Poeltl.  Valenciunas has a 7-5-7'6 wingspan and 9'3 reach or something like that.   Poeltl on the other hand has a 7'1 wingspan.  Guessing 9'0 or 9'1 reach.    He is not explosive from standstill.  From a headstart yes has some bounce. but so does Zeller

Wingspan and reach for a front court player matters (especially to be a defensive anchor).  You can slice it whichever way you want, it matters.  Unless you have some explosive bounce/timing to compensate (example Tristant Thompson as a rebounder and Mickey as a shot blocker)

He'll likely be a defensive minded, rim running big with a few post moves. That's a good player. Worst case scenario, he's a great backup Center. Best case, he's probably a borderline All-Star, advanced stats darling on a great team.

this is wishful thinking.   You seen either zeller or KO try their moves under the basket at the NBA level.  How did that turn out?   Poeltl has to develop a jump shot and be consistent if he has even has a wink of a chance to be a borderline all star

So wouldn't that be the "best case scenario"?

[Yenohb]

To be able to defend effectively in the post and switch on pick n rolls at 7'1 without being a liability on offense is what sold me on Poeltl.

[nickagneta]

I have seen Poetlt listed at 7'1" with a 7'3" wingspan. That puts him at around the same length and a wingspan just 1" shorter than that of Marc Gasol, a fairly unathletic center with similar speed, size, athleticism and hope as Poetlt. Gasol became a DPOY. To think a man of Poetlt size can't become a defensive anchor over a 1" wingspan or a 1 or 2 inch standing reach is ridiculousness run amok(though I guess I shouldn't be surprised given the source of the opinion).

I am not sure Poetlt has the talent, work ethic, attitude or wherewithal to become a defensive anchor or even a future DPOY, but he won't be held back from becoming either simply because his wingspan isn't 7'4" a 7'7" wingspan or because his standing reach isn't greater than 9'1".

[CFAN38]

I have seen Poetlt listed at 7'1" with a 7'3" wingspan. That puts him at around the same length and a wingspan just 1" shorter than that of Marc Gasol, a fairly unathletic center with similar speed, size, athleticism and hope as Poetlt. Gasol became a DPOY. To think a man of Poetlt size can't become a defensive anchor over a 1" wingspan or a 1 or 2 inch standing reach is ridiculousness run amok(though I guess I shouldn't be surprised given the source of the opinion).

I am not sure Poetlt has the talent, work ethic, attitude or wherewithal to become a defensive anchor or even a future DPOY, but he won't be held back from becoming either simply because his wingspan isn't 7'4" a 7'7" wingspan or because his standing reach isn't greater than 9'1".

Based on his improvement from fresh to soph year along with the fact that he gained at least 20lbs in that time period I have high hopes for poeltl work ethic



As for the previous talk of whether Poeltl could one day be an Allstar let's not forget Tyson chandler was an Allstar reserve in 2012-13 averaging 10pt 10rb and dominating in defense.

[KG Living Legend]

 You guys do make some good points about Poeltl, but the original point is are the Celtics really in a position to take a better "fit" guy I'm Jakob.

 When we really need a star, and Ellenson certainly has more Star attributes...

[chilidawg]

 You guys do make some good points about Poeltl, but the original point is are the Celtics really in a position to take a better "fit" guy I'm Jakob.

 When we really need a star, and Ellenson certainly has more Star attributes...

Star attributes in the Kevin Love sense?  Or in the Tim Duncan winning basketball sense?  I think Poeltl has more of the latter.

[Bucketgetter]

 You guys do make some good points about Poeltl, but the original point is are the Celtics really in a position to take a better "fit" guy I'm Jakob.

 When we really need a star, and Ellenson certainly has more Star attributes...

Star attributes in the Kevin Love sense?  Or in the Tim Duncan winning basketball sense?  I think Poeltl has more of the latter.

What?? How does Poeltl have a Tim Duncan winning basketball sense..

[KG Living Legend]

 He's Dirk Nowitzki light. He would have the Upside to be the go to guy on our team. We could give it to a 6'10" guy and tell him to go get a basket.

[CFAN38]

 You guys do make some good points about Poeltl, but the original point is are the Celtics really in a position to take a better "fit" guy I'm Jakob.

 When we really need a star, and Ellenson certainly has more Star attributes...

Star attributes in the Kevin Love sense?  Or in the Tim Duncan winning basketball sense?  I think Poeltl has more of the latter.

What?? How does Poeltl have a Tim Duncan winning basketball sense..

I think what chillidawg is saying is Pieltls game translates better to winning basketball while Ellenson maybe more of a stat sheet filler type guy. A better comp maybe love vs Marc gasol. Minn live put up huge stats but didn't win Gasol on the other hand dominates the game but not always the box score.

[LooseCannon]

Ellenson sounds like a shorter, longer, younger Frank Kaminsky.

[Smartacus]

Ellenson sounds like a shorter, longer, younger Frank Kaminsky.

Too far removed from Kaminsky's age to draw that comp. Kaminsky was a pudgey kid who spent more time on the bench than on the block back then.

[KG Living Legend]

 He's Dirk Nowitzki that has More Guard Skills, but also a great rebounder with his size, and not the shooter Dirk is.

[Celtics4ever]

I would choose Poeltl between those two.

[Roy H.]

 He's Dirk Nowitzki that has More Guard Skills, but also a great rebounder with his size, and not the shooter Dirk is.

In other words, any comparison to Dirk is invalid?