How can you Justify Poeltl over Ellenson

[Tr1boy]

Ellenson is like a Kelly O / Sully hybrid.

on point =D

[Ilikesports17]

Ellenson is like a Kelly O / Sully hybrid.

on point =D

Thats not a bad hybrid.

tho I dont know enough about Ellenson to know if I agree with it.

Id assume he plays terrible D?

[Tr1boy]

you can't

Ellenson > Poeltl

Well there you have it.  Debate over.

yup.  Poeltl is Zeller part 2.  Doesn't have the long wingspan, reach,  average explosiveness.   Can't shoot consistently.  Lacks a handle.  so so passing skills. Lets see him try to score against trees in the NBA inside the paint consistently

A good backup center in the nba material.   This is how weak this draft is at the center spot this year

[Tr1boy]

Ellenson is like a Kelly O / Sully hybrid.

on point =D

Thats not a bad hybrid.

tho I dont know enough about Ellenson to know if I agree with it.

Id assume he plays terrible D?

ellenson has high leadership skills.  top end Motor. Does not take plays off.  Will bang inside the paint/box out, take charges,  set picks. Just all over the place

Has a nice wingspan/reach.  Good shot block timing.    Lots of skill on the offensive end from handling the ball, passing, shooting. 

just needs to up his conditioning which then could also help him become a better rebounder .

[KG Living Legend]

you can't

Ellenson > Poeltl

Well there you have it.  Debate over.

yup.  Poeltl is Zeller part 2.  Doesn't have the long wingspan, reach,  average explosiveness.   Can't shoot consistently.  Lacks a handle.  so so passing skills. Lets see him try to score against trees in the NBA inside the paint consistently

A good backup center in the nba material.   This is how weak this draft is at the center spot this year

 Yo what's up Triboy, You probably know I prefer Henry over Jakob at this point, however I feel like you should go back and watch Jakob a little more. He's better right Now than Zeller ever was.

 It's his absolutely lightning speed and quickness with his fakes and quick twitch body movements that separates him down low.

 He's so quick with his fakes it's uncanny.

[Ilikesports17]

Ellenson is like a Kelly O / Sully hybrid.

on point =D

Thats not a bad hybrid.

tho I dont know enough about Ellenson to know if I agree with it.

Id assume he plays terrible D?

ellenson has high leadership skills.  top end Motor. Does not take plays off.  Will bang inside the paint/box out, take charges,  set picks. Just all over the place

Has a nice wingspan/reach.  Good shot block timing.    Lots of skill on the offensive end from handling the ball, passing, shooting. 

just needs to up his conditioning which then could also help him become a better rebounder .

but could he score over Mickey???

[mmmmm]

you can't

Ellenson > Poeltl

Well there you have it.  Debate over.

yup.  Poeltl is Zeller part 2.  Doesn't have the long wingspan, reach,  average explosiveness.   Can't shoot consistently.  Lacks a handle.  so so passing skills. Lets see him try to score against trees in the NBA inside the paint consistently

A good backup center in the nba material.   This is how weak this draft is at the center spot this year

 Yo what's up Triboy, You probably know I lihowevery over Jakob at this point, however I feel like you should go back and watch Jakob a little more. He's better right Now than Zeller ever was.

 It's his absolutely lightning speed and quickness with his fakes and quick twitch body movements that separates him down low.

 He's so quick with his fakes it's uncanny.

Poeltl is also a MUCH better, more physical defender than Zeller.    The comparison on that end of the court isn't even close.

[CFAN38]

I am admittedly very high on Poeltl. I think he will be a defensive anchor at the center in the Bogut mold with his absolute basement being that of Robin Lopez. A player of his size with his mobility and defensive instincts is very rare. With the league dictating the need for centers who can defend the P&R I really like the value Poeltl brings.

On the other side I see the appeal of Ellenson he is extremely skilled for his size and is at least above average at every facet of the offensive game in college. I admittedly have only seen Ellenson play LSU and brief parts of other games. Quickly looking at his game log this season I do not notice any matchups against any really long athletic front courts. LSU obviously has Simmons and Wisc has Hayes but I would love to see him vs UK, Florida, Florida St or UNC just to see how he fares against PFs who can patch his length and mobility as most NBA bigs will.

While a players Tournament performance can be over rated I think this will really be Ellensons time to shine and jump up Draft boards. If he can get a matchup and dominate vs a team with NBA size the he really helps himself. As it stands now I personally have my top 8 as follows.

Simmons
Ingram
Bender
Poeltl
Brown
Ellenson
Murray
Hield

   

[max215]

Poeltl is pretty [dang] safe and fills a need. I think it's easy to justify taking him over Ellenson.

[CFAN38]

you can't

Ellenson > Poeltl

Well there you have it.  Debate over.

yup.  Poeltl is Zeller part 2.  Doesn't have the long wingspan, reach,  average explosiveness.   Can't shoot consistently.  Lacks a handle.  so so passing skills. Lets see him try to score against trees in the NBA inside the paint consistently

A good backup center in the nba material.   This is how weak this draft is at the center spot this year

 Yo what's up Triboy, You probably know I lihowevery over Jakob at this point, however I feel like you should go back and watch Jakob a little more. He's better right Now than Zeller ever was.

 It's his absolutely lightning speed and quickness with his fakes and quick twitch body movements that separates him down low.

 He's so quick with his fakes it's uncanny.

Poeltl is also a MUCH better, more physical defender than Zeller.    The comparison on that end of the court isn't even close.

If the Poeltl to Zeller comp is being used as a negative then think of this. Last season playing 21mpg Zeller averaged roughly 10pts 6rb in 21 mpg. I think its safe to say that any basketball expert would agree Poeltl is by fare a better defensive prospect then Zeller ever was. So lets say Zeller is equal to Poeltl on offense and Poeltl is a superior defender. I would be totally thrilled if the Cs drafted a center who is 21 mpg could anchor a defense and average 10 and 6. Project that out to 30mpg and you have a 15pt 9rb per game big man.  I'm Sold

[Denis998]

At the 4th pick, id have trouble picking either of them. Assuming that Ben, Brandon, and Brown are off the table, Dunn, Hield, and arguably Scal are worth looks at that pick

[PhoSita]

Even if Poeltl is Zeller 2.0 on offense, his rebounding and interior defense should be much better, which would make him an excellent player, if not a star.

[max215]

Even if Poeltl is Zeller 2.0 on offense, his rebounding and interior defense should be much better, which would make him an excellent player, if not a star.

And he's probably Zeller+ on offense, not just Zeller 2.0.

[Tr1boy]

Even if Poeltl is Zeller 2.0 on offense, his rebounding and interior defense should be much better, which would make him an excellent player, if not a star.

And he's probably Zeller+ on offense, not just Zeller 2.0.

He is Zeller part 2 on the offensive.  I agree will be better defensively but don't expect him to be effective like say Valenciunas

Lets compare Valenciunas to Poeltl.  Valenciunas has a 7-5-7'6 wingspan and 9'3 reach or something like that.   Poeltl on the other hand has a 7'1 wingspan.  Guessing 9'0 or 9'1 reach.    He is not explosive from standstill.  From a headstart yes has some bounce. but so does Zeller

Wingspan and reach for a front court player matters (especially to be a defensive anchor).  You can slice it whichever way you want, it matters.  Unless you have some explosive bounce/timing to compensate (example Tristant Thompson as a rebounder and Mickey as a shot blocker)

[max215]

Even if Poeltl is Zeller 2.0 on offense, his rebounding and interior defense should be much better, which would make him an excellent player, if not a star.

And he's probably Zeller+ on offense, not just Zeller 2.0.

He is Zeller part 2 on the offensive.  I agree will be better defensively but don't expect him to be effective like say Valenciunas

Lets compare Valenciunas to Poeltl.  Valenciunas has a 7-5-7'6 wingspan and 9'3 reach or something like that.   Poeltl on the other hand has a 7'1 wingspan.  Guessing 9'0 or 9'1 reach.    He is not explosive from standstill.  From a headstart yes has some bounce. but so does Zeller

Wingspan and reach for a front court player matters (especially to be a defensive anchor).  You can slice it whichever way you want, it matters.  Unless you have some explosive bounce/timing to compensate (example Tristant Thompson as a rebounder and Mickey as a shot blocker)

He'll likely be a defensive minded, rim running big with a few post moves. That's a good player. Worst case scenario, he's a great backup Center. Best case, he's probably a borderline All-Star, advanced stats darling on a great team.