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Will Danny be out-maneuvered in June and July?
« on: March 05, 2016, 03:03:53 PM »

Offline Alleyoopster

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(I realize the argument below may be weak, but then again, it could be plausible.)

Danny and his crew spent a lot of time and effort this past month trying to get a trade to work. Unfortunately, or fortunately nothing came of it.

The only roster move involved David Lee agreeing to a buyout. And, he later signed with the Dallas Mavericks.

So, what were we left with? One less player, who some/many argue we are better off without. (My personal feeling was that David Lee could have provided some insurance if we suffered another injury come playoff time.)
 
Although, to be honest, I’m not overly bothered by his departure. What does worry me is that another roster move wasn’t made. By this I mean why didn’t Danny and staff come up with an alternative should a trade not be made, e.g., signing a bought-out player or making a deal with bench players or draft picks? They did nothing to strengthen the team for the playoff run. If anything, they possibly made it weaker. (Please, this is not a case for keeping Lee. I’m not arguing that.)

Just like the Celtics, many other teams were looking to make a major deal during the same time frame. Most or all did not.  However, a number of GM’s made moves to improve their roster.
Who are some of the players that other teams signed? Miami - Joe Johnson, San Antonio - Kevin Martin, Washington - JJ Hickson, Oklahoma City - Nazr Mohammed, Golden State - Anderson Varejao, Houston - Michael Beasley, Dallas – David Lee and after the deadline Indiana is in discussion with Ty Lawson. 

I’m sure I may be missing a signing or two and didn't even mention minor trades. There may be disagreements as to the advantages of picking up player A or player B in each of the cases mentioned above. But, overall these teams did something to help themselves come the playoffs. As a last resort I thought maybe the return of Marcus Thornton might be something to consider for injury insurance purposes.  Anything really….

Perhaps doing nothing other than buying out David Lee was the best option.  It’s possible Danny put out feelers for some of the players mentioned and nothing came of it?  Being outsiders we can only speculate.

Nonetheless it has me concerned…. What if Danny was unprepared for picking up a bought-out or released player? Is it possible that he was so dead set on getting “his man” that all else didn’t matter???
If so, how might this sort of mindset work come the June time draft and at the start of the July signing period? Will he and his think tank be so well prepared with option A that they’ll be ill prepared for options B, C, and D. Will they have plans ready should they don’t get the players they want?  Will they be ready to react when or if other teams sign any or all our free agents? 

My intuition is that this off-season is going to be challenging no matter who is in charge. There will be so much going on at once that it is going to take an astute and agile mind as well as one with nerves of steel and the ability to focus on many parameters at once. This is especially so because of the numerous picks, the change in salary cap, their own free agents, other teams jostling for key players, draft study, etc., etc. 

Maybe I’m making too much of Danny not doing anything to pick up a player before the March 1st deadline. Even if I am, I feel this June/July time-frame may overwhelm him because of the many trading parameters going on at once.  The net result could be other teams will make moves before the Celtics have a chance to react. Will Danny be prepared enough for what is to come?  It's possible, I'm just not completely sold yet. 

Re: Will Danny be out-maneuvered in June and July?
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2016, 03:19:13 PM »

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People are often talking trade, etc.  Or what star he's going to land via trade....Who will trade with him, and what will he give up ?

I think his biggest 'firework' will be in free agency..Namely Al Horford.

After Horford is signed, then he looks to trade his picks + some of his own players for yet another addition, most likely at the guard or SF spot.  Could be Love for the PF spot as well.

It's going to be extremely hard to out-maneuver a GM who has built a treasure chest of assets.  He's setup perfectly, and could strike at any time.  He's got big time ammo.

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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2016, 03:58:03 PM »

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I think you're making too much of it.  We're a deep team, which makes adding (or subtracting) a marginal vet not much of difference. 

I'd like to see us use the slot to give a d-leaguer a tryout on a 10 day contract, but maybe they figure it'd be too much of a distraction and they'd rather work with the guys they have.

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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2016, 04:12:42 PM »

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Horford and love together? No defence

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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2016, 04:41:22 PM »

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I think you're making too much of it.  We're a deep team, which makes adding (or subtracting) a marginal vet not much of difference. 

I'd like to see us use the slot to give a d-leaguer a tryout on a 10 day contract, but maybe they figure it'd be too much of a distraction and they'd rather work with the guys they have.
i share these sentiments. i don't see how a vet, as the 10th guy off the bench, makes a difference to this team this year. as for the open spot, a dleague player, or one from overseas, may yet fill it.

really don't see much to be worried about here. ainge has good reasons for what he does.
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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2016, 04:47:20 PM »

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I think you're making too much of it.  We're a deep team, which makes adding (or subtracting) a marginal vet not much of difference. 

I'd like to see us use the slot to give a d-leaguer a tryout on a 10 day contract, but maybe they figure it'd be too much of a distraction and they'd rather work with the guys they have.
i share these sentiments. i don't see how a vet, as the 10th guy off the bench, makes a difference to this team this year. as for the open spot, a dleague player, or one from overseas, may yet fill it.

really don't see much to be worried about here. ainge has good reasons for what he does.
I'm with these guys. Not upset about bought out players. They aren't a difference for this team.

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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2016, 04:56:01 PM »

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We have a good young team. We have an amazing young coach. We have a great lottery pick coming up. We have cap space. We have assets to make a trade. We have a huge market. We have a better team next season even if we don´t make any moves.

[dang] it feels good to be a Celtic fan.

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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2016, 05:15:33 PM »

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Danny might be the best GM in the game.  Nobody is going to out-manuever him.  If another team outbids us on a trade, it's probably because it wasn't worth it. 

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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2016, 05:24:27 PM »

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Horford and love together? No defence
Horford is good at "defence"
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2016, 06:10:34 PM »

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Danny might be the best GM in the game.  Nobody is going to out-manuever him.  If another team outbids us on a trade, it's probably because it wasn't worth it.

This is going to be an interesting trading period. I'm on record as being nervous about all of our draft picks. First, this is not exactly a high-quality draft. Two, maybe three players at the top and then a fall. Tankathon has our draft "power ranking" as the highest in the league, which might be true for the value of our picks in a normal year, but how many people here wouldn't sway our entire haul for Phoenix's or Philly's entire hall this year? Every GM in the league knows that we have to trade some picks. Who's going to offer full value?

The biggest upside is that there are 29 other teams, and we only need one of them to offer us a somewhat equitable trade. Ainge also has a history of making some great deals. I hope those two factors are enough to carry us this year in the off-season.

Mike

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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2016, 06:22:39 PM »

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Danny might be the best GM in the game.  Nobody is going to out-manuever him.  If another team outbids us on a trade, it's probably because it wasn't worth it.

This is going to be an interesting trading period. I'm on record as being nervous about all of our draft picks. First, this is not exactly a high-quality draft. Two, maybe three players at the top and then a fall. Tankathon has our draft "power ranking" as the highest in the league, which might be true for the value of our picks in a normal year, but how many people here wouldn't sway our entire haul for Phoenix's or Philly's entire hall this year? Every GM in the league knows that we have to trade some picks. Who's going to offer full value?

The biggest upside is that there are 29 other teams, and we only need one of them to offer us a somewhat equitable trade. Ainge also has a history of making some great deals. I hope those two factors are enough to carry us this year in the off-season.

Mike
I'm not sure if I agree with tout characterization of the draft this year.

There are the top two and then Bender Dunn Brown Murray  and Heild and if Skal can continue his recent rise you have poeltl ellenson skal then a few euros(korkmaz and Luwawe)  and guys like Davis and Rabb

I wouldn't close the door on this draft just yet

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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2016, 06:34:57 PM »

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Danny might be the best GM in the game.  Nobody is going to out-manuever him.  If another team outbids us on a trade, it's probably because it wasn't worth it.

This is going to be an interesting trading period. I'm on record as being nervous about all of our draft picks. First, this is not exactly a high-quality draft. Two, maybe three players at the top and then a fall. Tankathon has our draft "power ranking" as the highest in the league, which might be true for the value of our picks in a normal year, but how many people here wouldn't sway our entire haul for Phoenix's or Philly's entire hall this year? Every GM in the league knows that we have to trade some picks. Who's going to offer full value?

The biggest upside is that there are 29 other teams, and we only need one of them to offer us a somewhat equitable trade. Ainge also has a history of making some great deals. I hope those two factors are enough to carry us this year in the off-season.

Mike
I'm not sure if I agree with tout characterization of the draft this year.

There are the top two and then Bender Dunn Brown Murray  and Heild and if Skal can continue his recent rise you have poeltl ellenson skal then a few euros(korkmaz and Luwawe)  and guys like Davis and Rabb

I wouldn't close the door on this draft just yet

I hope you're right. I actually think the best of the players you listed is Dunn. Even with our excess guards situation, I'd be happy with him.

There is one other factor that we have in our favor: We're entering the tourney period. It's about this time that everyone gets overhyped. Maybe it stays.

Mike

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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2016, 07:13:22 PM »

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I'm glad significant moves were not made.  Adding a mediocre vet was not going to help this team win anything in the playoffs.

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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2016, 07:29:00 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2016, 07:52:44 PM »

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I think you're making too much of it.  We're a deep team, which makes adding (or subtracting) a marginal vet not much of difference. 

I'd like to see us use the slot to give a d-leaguer a tryout on a 10 day contract, but maybe they figure it'd be too much of a distraction and they'd rather work with the guys they have.
i share these sentiments. i don't see how a vet, as the 10th guy off the bench, makes a difference to this team this year. as for the open spot, a dleague player, or one from overseas, may yet fill it.

really don't see much to be worried about here. ainge has good reasons for what he does.
I'm with these guys. Not upset about bought out players. They aren't a difference for this team.
We have a good young team. We have an amazing young coach. We have a great lottery pick coming up. We have cap space. We have assets to make a trade. We have a huge market. We have a better team next season even if we don´t make any moves.

[dang] it feels good to be a Celtic fan.

We really don't know if we'll have a better team next year. We could lose 3-4 players to free agency. Then, we would be back to square one. That is one reason for this post. Danny is playing nice guy anticipating everything will work out fine this summer. We don't know what the future will bring. We are playing for "now". Tanking is out of the question. I thought we traded for Lee for his contract. Does his exception go after the season is over? If not, did Danny change plans just to appease David Lee? 

Isn't it likely the Nazr Mohammed or Ty Lawson could have helped us during the homestretch or the playoffs? Why not take a flyer on Beasley. We know he can score.

I disagree. To me it sends the message that we are not serious contenders. San Antonio, Oklahoma City and Miami made major moves. Johnson and Lee have already made significant contributions. Don't know about the other signings.

Watching the Celtic players on the court we can tell they are scratching and clawing their way to victory. This has to be the attitude of the front office as well.

Judging from the San Antonio roster it appears players at the end of the bench are just as qualified to play as the starters. http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2016.html
It's not an area for player development.