We have a bit of a problem here.....

[Nikki8]

The Celtic might have a hard time getting Simmons now but if they could somehow end up with Brown and still have 2 more #1's, that is a hell of a trade 

[TheFlex]

You know I'm happy the Celtics have a top 5 pick while being 3rd in the east. What rebuilding team can say the same thing?

This exactly.

Ok but this draft is not close to the last two drafts where you could get a great player with the 6th pick or after.

The 6th pick with this year's draft will be the equivalent of the 13th or so of last years.

No one knew how deep last year's draft was until like 2 months ago.

Not even close. Guys like Johnson, Turner and Winslow were thought of as great potential picks last year.

There are no players with their talent after the top 5 in this year's draft. You could argue that all three of these guys would go top 5 in this year's draft. That is if they were college rookies all over again.

The only guy I see as a potential steal in this draft  is Davis from Mich St.

It's not really surprising to me that you feel that way. This is usually the time of year during which everyone gets down on the upcoming draft and glorifies past prospects thru revisionist history.

Turner had a seriously underwhelming freshman season.

Johnson never really quieted critics who said his shooting limited his potential until he actually got to the NBA level.

Winslow fell because Orlando, Sacramento, Charlotte and others are blatantly incompetent when it comes to their managerial duties. Last year's draft was deep, but it wasn't "Yeah, Winslow going at 10 seems about right" deep. How far he fell was always a joke from the moment we saw it happening.

I will just take it that you don't really know what you're talking about.

Johnson and Turner were both projected as great picks.

Also, search my posts if you need to. I said Turner had a soft touch and reminded me of Aldridge. Also said Johnson had poise like Dwayne Wade. Was always big on those two guys. But so were many others.

Hield will be 23 and undersized.

Murray lacks quickness

Poeltl could be a solid player but not a game changer.

Lab looks to have about as much game as Fab Melo did.

Valentine. Great talent but lacks quickness. Stuck inbetween positions. Does everything good but lack of athleticism will be tough to overcome.

Stone and Rab look to be gambles. Johnson and Turner were not.

Davis is very raw but could be a great pick.

I'm not trying to compare the 2015 Draft with the 2016 Draft. It is obvious at this point how good the 2015 Draft is/was. My point was more so that the tune of 2015 Draft was much different in March of '15 than it is right now.

Good for you for predicting the success of those players. That's not really the thrust of my argument, though. You can see that if you step down from your high horse.

[KeepRondo]

You know I'm happy the Celtics have a top 5 pick while being 3rd in the east. What rebuilding team can say the same thing?

This exactly.

Ok but this draft is not close to the last two drafts where you could get a great player with the 6th pick or after.

The 6th pick with this year's draft will be the equivalent of the 13th or so of last years.

No one knew how deep last year's draft was until like 2 months ago.

Not even close. Guys like Johnson, Turner and Winslow were thought of as great potential picks last year.

There are no players with their talent after the top 5 in this year's draft. You could argue that all three of these guys would go top 5 in this year's draft. That is if they were college rookies all over again.

The only guy I see as a potential steal in this draft  is Davis from Mich St.

It's not really surprising to me that you feel that way. This is usually the time of year during which everyone gets down on the upcoming draft and glorifies past prospects thru revisionist history.

Turner had a seriously underwhelming freshman season.

Johnson never really quieted critics who said his shooting limited his potential until he actually got to the NBA level.

Winslow fell because Orlando, Sacramento, Charlotte and others are blatantly incompetent when it comes to their managerial duties. Last year's draft was deep, but it wasn't "Yeah, Winslow going at 10 seems about right" deep. How far he fell was always a joke from the moment we saw it happening.

I will just take it that you don't really know what you're talking about.

Johnson and Turner were both projected as great picks.

Also, search my posts if you need to. I said Turner had a soft touch and reminded me of Aldridge. Also said Johnson had poise like Dwayne Wade. Was always big on those two guys. But so were many others.

Hield will be 23 and undersized.

Murray lacks quickness

Poeltl could be a solid player but not a game changer.

Lab looks to have about as much game as Fab Melo did.

Valentine. Great talent but lacks quickness. Stuck inbetween positions. Does everything good but lack of athleticism will be tough to overcome.

Stone and Rab look to be gambles. Johnson and Turner were not.

Davis is very raw but could be a great pick.

I'm not trying to compare the 2015 Draft with the 2016 Draft. It is obvious at this point how good the 2015 Draft is/was. My point was more so that the tune of 2015 Draft was much different in March of '15 than it is right now.

Good for you for predicting the success of those players. That's not really the thrust of my argument, though. You can see that if you step down from your high horse.

It was obvious in March of 2015 that the draft was going to be great. And it's obvious right now that this draft is not close at all to last year's.

Also. You made a remark implying no one knew how deep that draft was last year until part way into the NBA season. Those were your words and I called BS.

So what's your point you were trying to make again?

[Celtics18]

You know I'm happy the Celtics have a top 5 pick while being 3rd in the east. What rebuilding team can say the same thing?

This exactly.

Ok but this draft is not close to the last two drafts where you could get a great player with the 6th pick or after.

The 6th pick with this year's draft will be the equivalent of the 13th or so of last years.

It happens in more than 90% of drafts that there's at least one star available after the fifth pick.

The fact that you expect this coming draft to be one of the all-time worst in history as far as depth goes just seems like unfounded pessimism.

[TheFlex]

You know I'm happy the Celtics have a top 5 pick while being 3rd in the east. What rebuilding team can say the same thing?

This exactly.

Ok but this draft is not close to the last two drafts where you could get a great player with the 6th pick or after.

The 6th pick with this year's draft will be the equivalent of the 13th or so of last years.

No one knew how deep last year's draft was until like 2 months ago.

Not even close. Guys like Johnson, Turner and Winslow were thought of as great potential picks last year.

There are no players with their talent after the top 5 in this year's draft. You could argue that all three of these guys would go top 5 in this year's draft. That is if they were college rookies all over again.

The only guy I see as a potential steal in this draft  is Davis from Mich St.

It's not really surprising to me that you feel that way. This is usually the time of year during which everyone gets down on the upcoming draft and glorifies past prospects thru revisionist history.

Turner had a seriously underwhelming freshman season.

Johnson never really quieted critics who said his shooting limited his potential until he actually got to the NBA level.

Winslow fell because Orlando, Sacramento, Charlotte and others are blatantly incompetent when it comes to their managerial duties. Last year's draft was deep, but it wasn't "Yeah, Winslow going at 10 seems about right" deep. How far he fell was always a joke from the moment we saw it happening.

I will just take it that you don't really know what you're talking about.

Johnson and Turner were both projected as great picks.

Also, search my posts if you need to. I said Turner had a soft touch and reminded me of Aldridge. Also said Johnson had poise like Dwayne Wade. Was always big on those two guys. But so were many others.

Hield will be 23 and undersized.

Murray lacks quickness

Poeltl could be a solid player but not a game changer.

Lab looks to have about as much game as Fab Melo did.

Valentine. Great talent but lacks quickness. Stuck inbetween positions. Does everything good but lack of athleticism will be tough to overcome.

Stone and Rab look to be gambles. Johnson and Turner were not.

Davis is very raw but could be a great pick.

I'm not trying to compare the 2015 Draft with the 2016 Draft. It is obvious at this point how good the 2015 Draft is/was. My point was more so that the tune of 2015 Draft was much different in March of '15 than it is right now.

Good for you for predicting the success of those players. That's not really the thrust of my argument, though. You can see that if you step down from your high horse.

It was obvious in March of 2015 that the draft was going to be great. And it's obvious right now that this draft is not close at all to last year's.

Also. You made a remark implying no one knew how deep that draft was last year until part way into the NBA season. Those were your words and I called BS.

So what's your point you were trying to make again?

In March of 2015, Okafor was the consensus #1 pick. How could everyone have known how great the draft would be if most couldn't even couldn't identify its best talent?

Yeah, pretty obvious last year's draft will be better than this one's, because last year's draft contained a lottery that some are already deeming the greatest of all time. Unlikely that there's a follow-up.

My point is, things can change. Simmons could be a hybrid of LBJ/Blake, Ingram the next Durant, Bender another Giannis Antetokounmpo, Dunn the next John Wall, Brown the next DeRozan, Poeltl the next Bogut without knee injuries, etc... And you are simply wrong that the consensus surrounding the '15 Draft was as positive as it is now. Thus my point in bringing it up was to exhibit how differently a draft can look in a year's time. For example: Porzingis was a huge unknown when drafted. Even his believers claimed it would take him a long time to "get it." Now he's starting for the Knicks and ended up being one of the most NBA-ready players on both ends of the floor in the whole draft. That's, again, not to suggest that the 2016 Draft = 2015 Draft, but rather to remind everyone not to get so caught up in the word of the moment. But I suppose it's a useless point to make if you're just going to drown it out with "I knew this guy would be this good, and that guy, and that guy..."

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

No one knows how good or bad this year's draft will be. Lots of people think they know, but no one knows. There are always good and bad surprises. I mean, Boston got Pierce at No. 10.

[LarBrd33]

This pick isn't guaranteed top 6. They can easily win three of their next five (minny and Philly twice). Than they're right on the heels of Denver and New Orleans. They play NO twice who could be tanking. It's not out of the realm of possibility this pick is 8-10. Especially if the teams in front of them decide to tank, especially in head to head matchups, while Brooklyn stubbornly continues to compete for wins.

Fair point.  It seems ridiculous, but even with 3 of their top 5 players gone, they still might end up winning 30+ afterall.  I'll temper my enthusiasm and go back to expecting them to make the playoffs.

Indeed it does seem ridiculous.

On a scale of 1-100 how ridiculous is it that a team who has won 6 of their last 12 will win 12 of their next 20?

[LarBrd33]

This pick isn't guaranteed top 6. They can easily win three of their next five (minny and Philly twice). Than they're right on the heels of Denver and New Orleans. They play NO twice who could be tanking. It's not out of the realm of possibility this pick is 8-10. Especially if the teams in front of them decide to tank, especially in head to head matchups, while Brooklyn stubbornly continues to compete for wins.

Fair point.  It seems ridiculous, but even with 3 of their top 5 players gone, they still might end up winning 30+ afterall.  I'll temper my enthusiasm and go back to expecting them to make the playoffs.

Indeed it does seem ridiculous.

It does but look at their schedule. The nets that is. They could easily beat Minnesota, Philly twice, Milwaukee, Chicago without butler, Orlando, the Knicks, pelicans twice if they are tanking, and Washington if they're eliminated at the end of the year. That's ten realistic wins. Let's say they win 7 of those but also win two of the others you think they would lose. 9 wins puts them at 27 and that might barely be a top ten pick.

They have no incentive to lose like other teams at the end of the season.

NETS - Current Record: 15-41

Tue, Feb 23   @Portland    Loss

Thu, Feb 25   @Phoenix     Win

Sat, Feb 27   @Utah          Loss DOH

Mon, Feb 29     @Clippers     Loss

Tue, Mar 1   @Lakers       Loss

Fri, Mar 4      @Denver      Loss

Sat, Mar 5        @Minnesota Loss

Tue, Mar 8   @Toronto     Loss

Fri, Mar 11        @Philadelphia Win

Sun, Mar 13   vsMilwaukee  Loss

Tue, Mar 15   vsPhiladelphia Win

Thu, Mar 17   @Chicago  Loss

Sat, Mar 19   @Detroit  Loss

Tue, Mar 22   vsCharlotte  Loss

Thu, Mar 24   Cleveland  Loss

Sat, Mar 26       vs Indiana  Loss

Mon, Mar 28   @Miami  Loss

Tue, Mar 29   @Orlando  Loss

Thu, Mar 31   @Cleveland  Loss

Fri, Apr 1           @NY Knicks  Win

Sun, Apr 3   vsNew Orleans  Loss

Wed, Apr 6   @Washington  Loss

Fri, Apr 8      @Charlotte  Loss

Sun, Apr 10   @Indiana  Loss

Mon, Apr 11   vsWashington  Loss

Wed, Apr 13   vsNew Orleans  Loss

According to my predictions - Final Record: 19-63

Allowing for unexpected wins/upsets of 2-3 games: 22-60

I don't think anything you said is out of the realm of possibility, I guess, but that's the best I can say about BKN's chances to finish outside the top 10. If you have them finishing with 27 wins, that means they'd finish the last 20 games going 9-11. There are a ton of ifs to assume that will happen, the biggest one being: Can the Nets have a 9-11 stretch for the first time all season?

I don't see it.

I hope you're right. They're 5-5 in their last 10 games presently.

It doesn't really matter, though.   Even if they go 12-8 and finish with 30 wins, that's a .365 win percentage... That's still putting them 6th to last this season between the Timberwolves and Pelicans.    Orlando has the 11th worst record (.443 win percentage)... For Brooklyn to rise to a win percentage that high, they'd need to win roughly 37 games and finish this season 19-1.   Even if Brooklyn was fully healthy,  it's pretty unfathomable they'd go on a 19-1 stretch.  At this point, the pick is a lock to be a top 10 pick. 

[chambers]

Well they beat Denver twice, Phoenix,  New York and Sacramento. The only good team they beat in the last 12 games was the Jazz.

They've got some winnable games coming up but their schedule gets brutal after that.

They are still on track for 24 wins (actually 23.8 wins).
Same as they've always been.

[greece66]

The Nets lottery odds currently stands at a 12% shot for the Number One pick and a 38% shot for the  Top 3. And that's the optimistic viewpoint. Look at it from the other direction and its an 88% chance the Nets pick isn't Number One and an 62% chance it isn't in the Top 3.

The more wins the Nets accumulate, the more I feel we should've traded the picks at the Deadline. 

Is there any Silver Lining to all this? Who are we gonna target in the draft now?

Yes, anyone who works for the NBA knows these % by heart, so they were hardly surprised 

[KeepRondo]

You know I'm happy the Celtics have a top 5 pick while being 3rd in the east. What rebuilding team can say the same thing?

This exactly.

Ok but this draft is not close to the last two drafts where you could get a great player with the 6th pick or after.

The 6th pick with this year's draft will be the equivalent of the 13th or so of last years.

It happens in more than 90% of drafts that there's at least one star available after the fifth pick.

The fact that you expect this coming draft to be one of the all-time worst in history as far as depth goes just seems like unfounded pessimism.

never said it was the worst. I said it was not very deep.

This is the same emotional and wrong answer I got last year when I repeatedly said we want a top 9-11 pick.  People kept saying oh you can't tell or that someone is bound to slip. BS.

[KeepRondo]

You know I'm happy the Celtics have a top 5 pick while being 3rd in the east. What rebuilding team can say the same thing?

This exactly.

Ok but this draft is not close to the last two drafts where you could get a great player with the 6th pick or after.

The 6th pick with this year's draft will be the equivalent of the 13th or so of last years.

No one knew how deep last year's draft was until like 2 months ago.

Not even close. Guys like Johnson, Turner and Winslow were thought of as great potential picks last year.

There are no players with their talent after the top 5 in this year's draft. You could argue that all three of these guys would go top 5 in this year's draft. That is if they were college rookies all over again.

The only guy I see as a potential steal in this draft  is Davis from Mich St.

It's not really surprising to me that you feel that way. This is usually the time of year during which everyone gets down on the upcoming draft and glorifies past prospects thru revisionist history.

Turner had a seriously underwhelming freshman season.

Johnson never really quieted critics who said his shooting limited his potential until he actually got to the NBA level.

Winslow fell because Orlando, Sacramento, Charlotte and others are blatantly incompetent when it comes to their managerial duties. Last year's draft was deep, but it wasn't "Yeah, Winslow going at 10 seems about right" deep. How far he fell was always a joke from the moment we saw it happening.

I will just take it that you don't really know what you're talking about.

Johnson and Turner were both projected as great picks.

Also, search my posts if you need to. I said Turner had a soft touch and reminded me of Aldridge. Also said Johnson had poise like Dwayne Wade. Was always big on those two guys. But so were many others.

Hield will be 23 and undersized.

Murray lacks quickness

Poeltl could be a solid player but not a game changer.

Lab looks to have about as much game as Fab Melo did.

Valentine. Great talent but lacks quickness. Stuck inbetween positions. Does everything good but lack of athleticism will be tough to overcome.

Stone and Rab look to be gambles. Johnson and Turner were not.

Davis is very raw but could be a great pick.

I'm not trying to compare the 2015 Draft with the 2016 Draft. It is obvious at this point how good the 2015 Draft is/was. My point was more so that the tune of 2015 Draft was much different in March of '15 than it is right now.

Good for you for predicting the success of those players. That's not really the thrust of my argument, though. You can see that if you step down from your high horse.

It was obvious in March of 2015 that the draft was going to be great. And it's obvious right now that this draft is not close at all to last year's.

Also. You made a remark implying no one knew how deep that draft was last year until part way into the NBA season. Those were your words and I called BS.

So what's your point you were trying to make again?

In March of 2015, Okafor was the consensus #1 pick. How could everyone have known how great the draft would be if most couldn't even couldn't identify its best talent?

Yeah, pretty obvious last year's draft will be better than this one's, because last year's draft contained a lottery that some are already deeming the greatest of all time. Unlikely that there's a follow-up.

My point is, things can change. Simmons could be a hybrid of LBJ/Blake, Ingram the next Durant, Bender another Giannis Antetokounmpo, Dunn the next John Wall, Brown the next DeRozan, Poeltl the next Bogut without knee injuries, etc... And you are simply wrong that the consensus surrounding the '15 Draft was as positive as it is now. Thus my point in bringing it up was to exhibit how differently a draft can look in a year's time. For example: Porzingis was a huge unknown when drafted. Even his believers claimed it would take him a long time to "get it." Now he's starting for the Knicks and ended up being one of the most NBA-ready players on both ends of the floor in the whole draft. That's, again, not to suggest that the 2016 Draft = 2015 Draft, but rather to remind everyone not to get so caught up in the word of the moment. But I suppose it's a useless point to make if you're just going to drown it out with "I knew this guy would be this good, and that guy, and that guy..."

This is more BS from you. Towns was always going number one. Also, I repeatedly called Okafor soft. Read my posts. I'm not surprised he plays bad D. I also said the mid lottery picks were going to be just as good as the top ones. I was wrong as Towns is the clear best player but I was right that it was a deep draft.

But keep thinking your way that no one could possibly know how good a draft class is.

SMH

I also think you are wrong on Porzingis. It was always believed that a guy his size shouldn't be able to move as quick as him. I made several posts that this guy would be amazing on the defensive end to have.

[KeepRondo]

No one knows how good or bad this year's draft will be. Lots of people think they know, but no one knows. There are always good and bad surprises. I mean, Boston got Pierce at No. 10.

Most people that follow college basketball and the draft class know that this draft is not going to be very good.

Sure you got guys like Hield and Murray who could be solid players but they are bigger gambles than the picks chosen last year.

Last year it was obvious how good these guys were. This year you are hoping that a guy like Rab or Murray works out. Similar to how we felt about Rozier. The difference is these are middle lottery picks and not after the lottery. There just isn't much game changing talent after the top 5 picks.

[Roy H.]

No one knows how good or bad this year's draft will be. Lots of people think they know, but no one knows. There are always good and bad surprises. I mean, Boston got Pierce at No. 10.

Most people that follow college basketball and the draft class know that this draft is not going to be very good.

Sure you got guys like Hield and Murray who could be solid players but they are bigger gambles than the picks chosen last year.

Last year it was obvious how good these guys were. This year you are hoping that a guy like Rab or Murray works out. Similar to how we felt about Rozier. The difference is these are middle lottery picks and not after the lottery. There just isn't much game changing talent after the top 5 picks.

The experts repeatedly talked about how weak the 2009 draft was, too. Until these guys are on an NBA floor, we just don't know.

[KeepRondo]

No one knows how good or bad this year's draft will be. Lots of people think they know, but no one knows. There are always good and bad surprises. I mean, Boston got Pierce at No. 10.

Most people that follow college basketball and the draft class know that this draft is not going to be very good.

Sure you got guys like Hield and Murray who could be solid players but they are bigger gambles than the picks chosen last year.

Last year it was obvious how good these guys were. This year you are hoping that a guy like Rab or Murray works out. Similar to how we felt about Rozier. The difference is these are middle lottery picks and not after the lottery. There just isn't much game changing talent after the top 5 picks.

The experts repeatedly talked about how weak the 2009 draft was, too. Until these guys are on an NBA floor, we just don't know.

It's certainly possible that 2-3 guys could surprise but the chances are much lower than last year.

Same idea as last year that you might get some surprises after the top 11 picks. But this year's surprises will start after 5.

Devin Booker was considered a good prospect but not a future star and he is turning out ok. So if people want to hope that Murray or Hield can turn out like Booker then fine. There are potential solid players out there after 5. Just not stars.