We have a bit of a problem here.....

[TheFlex]

You know I'm happy the Celtics have a top 5 pick while being 3rd in the east. What rebuilding team can say the same thing?

This exactly.

Ok but this draft is not close to the last two drafts where you could get a great player with the 6th pick or after.

The 6th pick with this year's draft will be the equivalent of the 13th or so of last years.

No one knew how deep last year's draft was until like 2 months ago.

[Rondo9]

This pick isn't guaranteed top 6. They can easily win three of their next five (minny and Philly twice). Than they're right on the heels of Denver and New Orleans. They play NO twice who could be tanking. It's not out of the realm of possibility this pick is 8-10. Especially if the teams in front of them decide to tank, especially in head to head matchups, while Brooklyn stubbornly continues to compete for wins.

I think that's an overly pessimistic approach, it's more likely they'll lose at leas half of them.

[Rondo9]

Edit.

[LarBrd33]

This pick isn't guaranteed top 6. They can easily win three of their next five (minny and Philly twice). Than they're right on the heels of Denver and New Orleans. They play NO twice who could be tanking. It's not out of the realm of possibility this pick is 8-10. Especially if the teams in front of them decide to tank, especially in head to head matchups, while Brooklyn stubbornly continues to compete for wins.

Fair point.  It seems ridiculous, but even with 3 of their top 5 players gone, they still might end up winning 30+ afterall.  I'll temper my enthusiasm and go back to expecting them to make the playoffs. 

[Rondo9]

This pick isn't guaranteed top 6. They can easily win three of their next five (minny and Philly twice). Than they're right on the heels of Denver and New Orleans. They play NO twice who could be tanking. It's not out of the realm of possibility this pick is 8-10. Especially if the teams in front of them decide to tank, especially in head to head matchups, while Brooklyn stubbornly continues to compete for wins.

Fair point.  It seems ridiculous, but even with 3 of their top 5 players gone, they still might end up winning 30+ afterall.  I'll temper my enthusiasm and go back to expecting them to make the playoffs.

 

[TheFlex]

This pick isn't guaranteed top 6. They can easily win three of their next five (minny and Philly twice). Than they're right on the heels of Denver and New Orleans. They play NO twice who could be tanking. It's not out of the realm of possibility this pick is 8-10. Especially if the teams in front of them decide to tank, especially in head to head matchups, while Brooklyn stubbornly continues to compete for wins.

Fair point.  It seems ridiculous, but even with 3 of their top 5 players gone, they still might end up winning 30+ afterall.  I'll temper my enthusiasm and go back to expecting them to make the playoffs.

Indeed it does seem ridiculous.

[Kane3387]

I firmly believe that if this pick isn't a top 3 pick than it will be traded in a package for Kevin love. I think if/when the cavs lose and fail to become champions that love will be moved in the rumored three team deal of Knicks Celtics cavaliers. Melo to Cleveland, love to Boston and assets to NY.

[Kane3387]

This pick isn't guaranteed top 6. They can easily win three of their next five (minny and Philly twice). Than they're right on the heels of Denver and New Orleans. They play NO twice who could be tanking. It's not out of the realm of possibility this pick is 8-10. Especially if the teams in front of them decide to tank, especially in head to head matchups, while Brooklyn stubbornly continues to compete for wins.

Fair point.  It seems ridiculous, but even with 3 of their top 5 players gone, they still might end up winning 30+ afterall.  I'll temper my enthusiasm and go back to expecting them to make the playoffs.

Indeed it does seem ridiculous.

It does but look at their schedule. The nets that is. They could easily beat Minnesota, Philly twice, Milwaukee, Chicago without butler, Orlando, the Knicks, pelicans twice if they are tanking, and Washington if they're eliminated at the end of the year. That's ten realistic wins. Let's say they win 7 of those but also win two of the others you think they would lose. 9 wins puts them at 27 and that might barely be a top ten pick.

They have no incentive to lose like other teams at the end of the season.

NETS - Current Record: 15-41

Tue, Feb 23   @Portland    Loss

Thu, Feb 25   @Phoenix     Win

Sat, Feb 27   @Utah          Loss DOH

Mon, Feb 29     @Clippers     Loss

Tue, Mar 1   @Lakers       Loss

Fri, Mar 4      @Denver      Loss

Sat, Mar 5        @Minnesota Loss

Tue, Mar 8   @Toronto     Loss

Fri, Mar 11        @Philadelphia Win

Sun, Mar 13   vsMilwaukee  Loss

Tue, Mar 15   vsPhiladelphia Win

Thu, Mar 17   @Chicago  Loss

Sat, Mar 19   @Detroit  Loss

Tue, Mar 22   vsCharlotte  Loss

Thu, Mar 24   Cleveland  Loss

Sat, Mar 26       vs Indiana  Loss

Mon, Mar 28   @Miami  Loss

Tue, Mar 29   @Orlando  Loss

Thu, Mar 31   @Cleveland  Loss

Fri, Apr 1           @NY Knicks  Win

Sun, Apr 3   vsNew Orleans  Loss

Wed, Apr 6   @Washington  Loss

Fri, Apr 8      @Charlotte  Loss

Sun, Apr 10   @Indiana  Loss

Mon, Apr 11   vsWashington  Loss

Wed, Apr 13   vsNew Orleans  Loss

According to my predictions - Final Record: 19-63

Allowing for unexpected wins/upsets of 2-3 games: 22-60

[KeepRondo]

You know I'm happy the Celtics have a top 5 pick while being 3rd in the east. What rebuilding team can say the same thing?

This exactly.

Ok but this draft is not close to the last two drafts where you could get a great player with the 6th pick or after.

The 6th pick with this year's draft will be the equivalent of the 13th or so of last years.

No one knew how deep last year's draft was until like 2 months ago.

Not even close. Guys like Johnson, Turner and Winslow were thought of as great potential picks last year.

There are no players with their talent after the top 5 in this year's draft. You could argue that all three of these guys would go top 5 in this year's draft. That is if they were college rookies all over again.

The only guy I see as a potential steal in this draft  is Davis from Mich St.

[TheFlex]

This pick isn't guaranteed top 6. They can easily win three of their next five (minny and Philly twice). Than they're right on the heels of Denver and New Orleans. They play NO twice who could be tanking. It's not out of the realm of possibility this pick is 8-10. Especially if the teams in front of them decide to tank, especially in head to head matchups, while Brooklyn stubbornly continues to compete for wins.

Fair point.  It seems ridiculous, but even with 3 of their top 5 players gone, they still might end up winning 30+ afterall.  I'll temper my enthusiasm and go back to expecting them to make the playoffs.

Indeed it does seem ridiculous.

It does but look at their schedule. The nets that is. They could easily beat Minnesota, Philly twice, Milwaukee, Chicago without butler, Orlando, the Knicks, pelicans twice if they are tanking, and Washington if they're eliminated at the end of the year. That's ten realistic wins. Let's say they win 7 of those but also win two of the others you think they would lose. 9 wins puts them at 27 and that might barely be a top ten pick.

They have no incentive to lose like other teams at the end of the season.

NETS - Current Record: 15-41

Tue, Feb 23   @Portland    Loss

Thu, Feb 25   @Phoenix     Win

Sat, Feb 27   @Utah          Loss DOH

Mon, Feb 29     @Clippers     Loss

Tue, Mar 1   @Lakers       Loss

Fri, Mar 4      @Denver      Loss

Sat, Mar 5        @Minnesota Loss

Tue, Mar 8   @Toronto     Loss

Fri, Mar 11        @Philadelphia Win

Sun, Mar 13   vsMilwaukee  Loss

Tue, Mar 15   vsPhiladelphia Win

Thu, Mar 17   @Chicago  Loss

Sat, Mar 19   @Detroit  Loss

Tue, Mar 22   vsCharlotte  Loss

Thu, Mar 24   Cleveland  Loss

Sat, Mar 26       vs Indiana  Loss

Mon, Mar 28   @Miami  Loss

Tue, Mar 29   @Orlando  Loss

Thu, Mar 31   @Cleveland  Loss

Fri, Apr 1           @NY Knicks  Win

Sun, Apr 3   vsNew Orleans  Loss

Wed, Apr 6   @Washington  Loss

Fri, Apr 8      @Charlotte  Loss

Sun, Apr 10   @Indiana  Loss

Mon, Apr 11   vsWashington  Loss

Wed, Apr 13   vsNew Orleans  Loss

According to my predictions - Final Record: 19-63

Allowing for unexpected wins/upsets of 2-3 games: 22-60

I don't think anything you said is out of the realm of possibility, I guess, but that's the best I can say about BKN's chances to finish outside the top 10. If you have them finishing with 27 wins, that means they'd finish the last 20 games going 9-11. There are a ton of ifs to assume that will happen, the biggest one being: Can the Nets have a 9-11 stretch for the first time all season?

I don't see it.

[SparzWizard]

So you're telling me that the Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett trade was not a good one in the end and Brooklyn came out winning that deal?

[TheFlex]

You know I'm happy the Celtics have a top 5 pick while being 3rd in the east. What rebuilding team can say the same thing?

This exactly.

Ok but this draft is not close to the last two drafts where you could get a great player with the 6th pick or after.

The 6th pick with this year's draft will be the equivalent of the 13th or so of last years.

No one knew how deep last year's draft was until like 2 months ago.

Not even close. Guys like Johnson, Turner and Winslow were thought of as great potential picks last year.

There are no players with their talent after the top 5 in this year's draft. You could argue that all three of these guys would go top 5 in this year's draft. That is if they were college rookies all over again.

The only guy I see as a potential steal in this draft  is Davis from Mich St.

It's not really surprising to me that you feel that way. This is usually the time of year during which everyone gets down on the upcoming draft and glorifies past prospects thru revisionist history.

Turner had a seriously underwhelming freshman season.

Johnson never really quieted critics who said his shooting limited his potential until he actually got to the NBA level.

Winslow fell because Orlando, Sacramento, Charlotte and others are blatantly incompetent when it comes to their managerial duties. Last year's draft was deep, but it wasn't "Yeah, Winslow going at 10 seems about right" deep. How far he fell was always a joke from the moment we saw it happening.

[Kane3387]

This pick isn't guaranteed top 6. They can easily win three of their next five (minny and Philly twice). Than they're right on the heels of Denver and New Orleans. They play NO twice who could be tanking. It's not out of the realm of possibility this pick is 8-10. Especially if the teams in front of them decide to tank, especially in head to head matchups, while Brooklyn stubbornly continues to compete for wins.

Fair point.  It seems ridiculous, but even with 3 of their top 5 players gone, they still might end up winning 30+ afterall.  I'll temper my enthusiasm and go back to expecting them to make the playoffs.

Indeed it does seem ridiculous.

It does but look at their schedule. The nets that is. They could easily beat Minnesota, Philly twice, Milwaukee, Chicago without butler, Orlando, the Knicks, pelicans twice if they are tanking, and Washington if they're eliminated at the end of the year. That's ten realistic wins. Let's say they win 7 of those but also win two of the others you think they would lose. 9 wins puts them at 27 and that might barely be a top ten pick.

They have no incentive to lose like other teams at the end of the season.

NETS - Current Record: 15-41

Tue, Feb 23   @Portland    Loss

Thu, Feb 25   @Phoenix     Win

Sat, Feb 27   @Utah          Loss DOH

Mon, Feb 29     @Clippers     Loss

Tue, Mar 1   @Lakers       Loss

Fri, Mar 4      @Denver      Loss

Sat, Mar 5        @Minnesota Loss

Tue, Mar 8   @Toronto     Loss

Fri, Mar 11        @Philadelphia Win

Sun, Mar 13   vsMilwaukee  Loss

Tue, Mar 15   vsPhiladelphia Win

Thu, Mar 17   @Chicago  Loss

Sat, Mar 19   @Detroit  Loss

Tue, Mar 22   vsCharlotte  Loss

Thu, Mar 24   Cleveland  Loss

Sat, Mar 26       vs Indiana  Loss

Mon, Mar 28   @Miami  Loss

Tue, Mar 29   @Orlando  Loss

Thu, Mar 31   @Cleveland  Loss

Fri, Apr 1           @NY Knicks  Win

Sun, Apr 3   vsNew Orleans  Loss

Wed, Apr 6   @Washington  Loss

Fri, Apr 8      @Charlotte  Loss

Sun, Apr 10   @Indiana  Loss

Mon, Apr 11   vsWashington  Loss

Wed, Apr 13   vsNew Orleans  Loss

According to my predictions - Final Record: 19-63

Allowing for unexpected wins/upsets of 2-3 games: 22-60

I don't think anything you said is out of the realm of possibility, I guess, but that's the best I can say about BKN's chances to finish outside the top 10. If you have them finishing with 27 wins, that means they'd finish the last 20 games going 9-11. There are a ton of ifs to assume that will happen, the biggest one being: Can the Nets have a 9-11 stretch for the first time all season?

I don't see it.

I hope you're right. They're 5-5 in their last 10 games presently.

[KeepRondo]

You know I'm happy the Celtics have a top 5 pick while being 3rd in the east. What rebuilding team can say the same thing?

This exactly.

Ok but this draft is not close to the last two drafts where you could get a great player with the 6th pick or after.

The 6th pick with this year's draft will be the equivalent of the 13th or so of last years.

No one knew how deep last year's draft was until like 2 months ago.

Not even close. Guys like Johnson, Turner and Winslow were thought of as great potential picks last year.

There are no players with their talent after the top 5 in this year's draft. You could argue that all three of these guys would go top 5 in this year's draft. That is if they were college rookies all over again.

The only guy I see as a potential steal in this draft  is Davis from Mich St.

It's not really surprising to me that you feel that way. This is usually the time of year during which everyone gets down on the upcoming draft and glorifies past prospects thru revisionist history.

Turner had a seriously underwhelming freshman season.

Johnson never really quieted critics who said his shooting limited his potential until he actually got to the NBA level.

Winslow fell because Orlando, Sacramento, Charlotte and others are blatantly incompetent when it comes to their managerial duties. Last year's draft was deep, but it wasn't "Yeah, Winslow going at 10 seems about right" deep. How far he fell was always a joke from the moment we saw it happening.

I will just take it that you don't really know what you're talking about.

Johnson and Turner were both projected as great picks.

Also, search my posts if you need to. I said Turner had a soft touch and reminded me of Aldridge. Also said Johnson had poise like Dwayne Wade. Was always big on those two guys. But so were many others.

Hield will be 23 and undersized.

Murray lacks quickness

Poeltl could be a solid player but not a game changer.

Lab looks to have about as much game as Fab Melo did.

Valentine. Great talent but lacks quickness. Stuck inbetween positions. Does everything good but lack of athleticism will be tough to overcome.

Stone and Rab look to be gambles. Johnson and Turner were not.

Davis is very raw but could be a great pick.

[guava_wrench]

The Nets lottery odds currently stands at a 12% shot for the Number One pick and a 38% shot for the  Top 3. And that's the optimistic viewpoint. Look at it from the other direction and its an 88% chance the Nets pick isn't Number One and an 62% chance it isn't in the Top 3.

The more wins the Nets accumulate, the more I feel we should've traded the picks at the Deadline. 

Is there any Silver Lining to all this? Who are we gonna target in the draft now?

I think other teams understood that it was unlikely the Nets pick would be 1 or 2 and that is why making a deal was difficult.