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The one Marcus Smart flaw
« on: March 01, 2016, 08:16:20 AM »

Offline DesertDweller

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I have been studying Marcus lately and have noticed he has one very bad habit he just can not shake and I hope it doesn't become an issue down the road.....
He just can't take a good hit without the need to retaliate. in other words if someone makes a steal from him or even blocks a shot he just can't forget about it like most really good players do. in Smart's case his retaliations are usually mean spirited, uncalled for and a detriment to the team, such as a really hard foul  that is borderline flagrant or an untimely 3-pointer. Sully used to do crap like this but has seemed to have gotten away from it. I hope Smart can do the same because this type of  unsportsmen like conduct tends to make the officiating crews watch you a lot closer and that's the last thing you want.


Re: The one Marcus Smart flaw
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2016, 09:24:32 AM »

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Good insight, but I disagree.

1. Smart has more flaws than just one.
2. I love the feistiness of Smart. That kind of play is what makes him who he is. He has to be smarter about it, but I'm willing to take a technical here or there when he makes momentum changing, game-winning hustle plays consistently.

Re: The one Marcus Smart flaw
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2016, 09:32:42 AM »

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His up and down shooting over his career and lack of getting to the rim are the holes in his game I'm worried about. He's been shooting better lately at least.

Re: The one Marcus Smart flaw
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2016, 10:02:26 AM »

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I have been studying Marcus lately and have noticed he has one very bad habit he just can not shake and I hope it doesn't become an issue down the road.....
He just can't take a good hit without the need to retaliate. in other words if someone makes a steal from him or even blocks a shot he just can't forget about it like most really good players do. in Smart's case his retaliations are usually mean spirited, uncalled for and a detriment to the team, such as a really hard foul  that is borderline flagrant or an untimely 3-pointer. Sully used to do crap like this but has seemed to have gotten away from it. I hope Smart can do the same because this type of  unsportsmen like conduct tends to make the officiating crews watch you a lot closer and that's the last thing you want.

This is old school basketball. Our coaches used to school us in intimidation/respect. If you get hit...hit him/her back harder.  The other player soon gets the message and will think twice before doing it again. Yes, I know you are talking about steals and other good plays. Even then, if you know you are going to pay a price it's going to stay on their mind when they try to do it again. 

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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2016, 10:10:42 AM »

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I have been studying Marcus lately and have noticed he has one very bad habit he just can not shake and I hope it doesn't become an issue down the road.....
He just can't take a good hit without the need to retaliate. in other words if someone makes a steal from him or even blocks a shot he just can't forget about it like most really good players do. in Smart's case his retaliations are usually mean spirited, uncalled for and a detriment to the team, such as a really hard foul  that is borderline flagrant or an untimely 3-pointer. Sully used to do crap like this but has seemed to have gotten away from it. I hope Smart can do the same because this type of  unsportsmen like conduct tends to make the officiating crews watch you a lot closer and that's the last thing you want.

This is old school basketball. Our coaches used to school us in intimidation/respect. If you get hit...hit him/her back harder.  The other player soon gets the message and will think twice before doing it again. Yes, I know you are talking about steals and other good plays. Even then, if you know you are going to pay a price it's going to stay on their mind when they try to do it again.
i have always wondered about this line of thinking. people seem to assume that whacking someone hard makes them stop. yet, when YOU get whacked, it prompts you to hit back even harder.

when does it ever work that YOU stop when you get whacked, and whacking the other guy makes him hit you harder?  ;D
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Re: The one Marcus Smart flaw
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2016, 10:20:16 AM »

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He'll never go Ron Artest. He'll never disgrace himself enough to miss half a season or warrant legally changing his name to Nirvana B. Free, and pretty much anything short of that is gravy,  because he's now looking more and more on track to be the Ron Artest of combo guards, not as a floor or as a ceiling but at just above eye level for him. A short step up away. He's already way smarter than Artest (duh) and he's more mature now at 21 than Artest ever has been and ever will be, unless Metta throws the world a curve and joins a Tibetan monastery or something. All the kids are gonna be alright. This team is stacked.
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Re: The one Marcus Smart flaw
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2016, 11:30:15 AM »

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Only one flaw?

What about being a poor shooter?

Inability to score at the rim.

Bad shot selection.

Giving up bad fouls lately.

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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2016, 11:55:24 AM »

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Only one flaw?

What about being a poor shooter?

Inability to score at the rim.

Bad shot selection.

Giving up bad fouls lately.

I thought flaws went away when one is winning...well I guess I was wrong.    ;D

Re: The one Marcus Smart flaw
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2016, 01:02:59 PM »

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Smart is still a kid..
He has lots of room for overall improvement..
But from day one to currently I have seen the guy make incredible advancements to his game...
Sky is the limit..

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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2016, 01:20:01 PM »

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As already said, marcus has many flaws.  And in response to the OP, his flaw isn't retaliation.  It's that his poor finishing and ball handling skills means lead to getting blocked and getting the ball stolen more than one would like.

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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2016, 01:30:50 PM »

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He'll never go Ron Artest. He'll never disgrace himself enough to miss half a season or warrant legally changing his name to Nirvana B. Free, and pretty much anything short of that is gravy,  because he's now looking more and more on track to be the Ron Artest of combo guards, not as a floor or as a ceiling but at just above eye level for him. A short step up away. He's already way smarter than Artest (duh) and he's more mature now at 21 than Artest ever has been and ever will be, unless Metta throws the world a curve and joins a Tibetan monastery or something. All the kids are gonna be alright. This team is stacked.

I laughed out loud when I read this.

https://youtu.be/T5sGdUIC-X8?t=1s
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Re: The one Marcus Smart flaw
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I think there's more Dwyane Wade in Smart than there is Ron Artest.  Artest had mental health issues.  Wade's a cheap shot artist and a flopper, but he's used those qualities to make many clutch plays for his team over the years.

I suspect that, like Wade, Paul, KG, and others, Smart will build a reputation as a guy you're happy to have on your team, but who you despise if he's on a different team. 
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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2016, 02:32:36 PM »

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I think there's more Dwyane Wade in Smart than there is Ron Artest.  Artest had mental health issues.  Wade's a cheap shot artist and a flopper, but he's used those qualities to make many clutch plays for his team over the years.

I suspect that, like Wade, Paul, KG, and others, Smart will build a reputation as a guy you're happy to have on your team, but who you despise if he's on a different team.

Well put.  I agreed with Ainge on most of the best players flopping or doing whatever they need to do to win.  Celtics fans in particular need to realize that.  I mean, people are killing Smart for a flop when the guy most of us idolize, KG, straight up punched a guy in the balls once to defend his three point shot.  Lets have perspective.

I do think there are Artest qualities to his game, mainly being so strong and ALWAYS being in contact with other players, which you see the frustration come out about in these times he just seems to get tangled up with some random big who he refuses to let just move through him into the post.  Those are classic Artest type plays.


He'll never go Ron Artest. He'll never disgrace himself enough to miss half a season or warrant legally changing his name to Nirvana B. Free, and pretty much anything short of that is gravy,  because he's now looking more and more on track to be the Ron Artest of combo guards, not as a floor or as a ceiling but at just above eye level for him. A short step up away. He's already way smarter than Artest (duh) and he's more mature now at 21 than Artest ever has been and ever will be, unless Metta throws the world a curve and joins a Tibetan monastery or something. All the kids are gonna be alright. This team is stacked.


I laughed out loud when I read this.

https://youtu.be/T5sGdUIC-X8?t=1s

If the guy said what most accounts said he did I have zero problem.

But Marcus does have that edge to him, just like other players.  Like I said, we all hold up KG who has done stuff that I just can't support, even as someone who idolizes him.
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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2016, 02:36:28 PM »

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I think there's more Dwyane Wade in Smart than there is Ron Artest.  Artest had mental health issues.  Wade's a cheap shot artist and a flopper, but he's used those qualities to make many clutch plays for his team over the years.

I suspect that, like Wade, Paul, KG, and others, Smart will build a reputation as a guy you're happy to have on your team, but who you despise if he's on a different team.

Well put.  I agreed with Ainge on most of the best players flopping or doing whatever they need to do to win.  Celtics fans in particular need to realize that.  I mean, people are killing Smart for a flop when the guy most of us idolize, KG, straight up punched a guy in the balls once to defend his three point shot.  Lets have perspective.


Just look at the Clippers -- there's been a lot of talk about how they are a much-despised team around the league and even among fans because they constantly complain about calls, flop, and play a chippy, sometimes dirty game. 

Well, that's how the KG-era Celts were.  Doc has carried over that wily veteran do-whatever-it-takes mentality to his new team.

Our current Celts team hustles like crazy and has a reputation for being a scrappy team that outperforms its talent level, but I'm sure if they add one or two elite players and become a contender without losing guys like Smart, Crowder, etc, they'll start to be seen as a rowdy, aggressive team of bullies that people don't exactly like. 

Nobody in Boston will care if they're winning games and contending for a title.  Indeed, that might be the kind of team you need to have a shot against this great Warriors team.


Anyway, I'm not worried about Smart's personality, and I don't see it as a flaw.  His flaw is his lack of offensive polish.
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Re: The one Marcus Smart flaw
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2016, 02:40:19 PM »

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I think there's more Dwyane Wade in Smart than there is Ron Artest.  Artest had mental health issues.  Wade's a cheap shot artist and a flopper, but he's used those qualities to make many clutch plays for his team over the years.

I suspect that, like Wade, Paul, KG, and others, Smart will build a reputation as a guy you're happy to have on your team, but who you despise if he's on a different team.

Well put.  I agreed with Ainge on most of the best players flopping or doing whatever they need to do to win.  Celtics fans in particular need to realize that.  I mean, people are killing Smart for a flop when the guy most of us idolize, KG, straight up punched a guy in the balls once to defend his three point shot.  Lets have perspective.


Just look at the Clippers -- there's been a lot of talk about how they are a much-despised team around the league and even among fans because they constantly complain about calls, flop, and play a chippy, sometimes dirty game. 

Well, that's how the KG-era Celts were.  Doc has carried over that wily veteran do-whatever-it-takes mentality to his new team.



Really agree with that.  Complaining about calls is a particularly ridiculous thing to hear fans complain about because they are oh so selective about who they criticize for it.  Basically every single star player I see complains about calls all the time.  And I can get it.  It works many times it seems and they want to win.
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