turner maturing under brad /danny-how good can he get

[rollie mass]

this is a player celts have to keep from defence, to post ups and navigating paint
rebounding and now assists
durability and still youngish and coming into his own
 turner, isaiah, crowder and zeller all poster boys for ainge /brad-
turner down the stretch should do even better over other teams depleated benches as players move up in rotation due to injuries
when turner just plays letting the game dictate, he is a joy to watch getting to hoop or his mid range game and post ups-recently he looks like a number two in draft-this is the type of player you have to keep
turner is just starting to get consistent and in a way dominant
philadelphia in a way was good, he got to experiment with ball in his hands and brad has toned him down and put him in position to use his creativity in paint-outside isaiah  5-9, we have 6-7 turner-
how good could turner get

[arctic 3.0]

this is a player celts have to keep from defence, to post ups and navigating paint
rebounding and now assists
durability and still youngish and coming into his own
 turner, isaiah, crowder and zeller all poster boys for ainge /brad-
turner down the stretch should do even better over other teams depleated benches as players move up in rotation due to injuries
when turner just plays letting the game dictate, he is a joy to watch getting to hoop or his mid range game and post ups-recently he looks like a number two in draft-this is the type of player you have to keep
turner is just starting to get consistent and in a way dominant
philadelphia in a way was good, he got to experiment with ball in his hands and brad has toned him down and put him in position to use his creativity in paint-outside isaiah  5-9, we have 6-7 turner-
how good could turner get

I'm with you Rollie, I think Turner is really important to this teams success.
But his good play/bonehead play ratio is needs to improve.

[rollie mass]

last year he left me shaking my head,somtimes screaming high school kids know better than that or just plain wondering what he sees and is thinking
those bonehead plays still happen but with less frequency but we still remember them not his great plays-they do stand out as mysteries of his mind-

i'm going to give you a TP a turner point

[GreenWarrior]

I think his boneheaded play has been toned down quite a bit this yr., considering I could barely stand to watch him last yr.

in fact it wasn't until the series with Cleveland that I was encouraged with Turner, as it seemed he was the only guy on the team that could play at that level.

[dreamgreen]

Are we going to pay him $10m a year?

[Dino Pitino]

For the first month of the season in 2012, 2013, and 2014, Turner also had people saying "Finally, Turner is playing like an All Star/#2 overall pick!", with a TS% in those months in the .530-545 range, a sizable positive net rating (except for November of 2013), and per-36 averages in the range of 15-20 pts, 7-9 reb, 4 ast. This February (and January, first back-to-back months like this ever) the TS% is up in that range again (as opposed to the usual sub-.500 atrocities), his net rating (111-105) is the best it's been since January of 2012 (101-93), only the third month of his career with a sizable positive net rating, and his per-36 averages are 15.7 pts, 8.3 reb, and 7.2 ast. Of course, the stats don't show how ballsy and clutch and smart he's been in the fourth quarter, lol. I think you're right, rollie, he really is playing like a #2 pick (roughly) now, but not just temporarily, has actually passed a turning point, thanks to the restoration specialists at Ainge & Stevens Inc. And I think you're right that we really need to keep him, unless renouncing him is the only way to get Durant. This free agent class blows, and if it weren't us he were doing this for, we'd all be looking at him as one of the hidden gems of the summer, like, "Hey, let's sign Turner, it looks like he finally figured things out and is [roughly] fulfilling his #2 pick potential as a late bloomer"...and what's satisfying as a fan is knowing that Ainge was already two or three steps ahead of all of us on this when he first signed Turner as an even more hidden gem-like substance, probably figured this as one of the workable trajectories for Turner. Why would we ever want to let go of a 16/8/7-caliber player who plays good defense and isn't inefficient anymore and is not just willing but comfortable coming off the bench? Turner Point for rollie, haha!

[Chief]

1. He is really bad at defense.

2. He is bad at not filling lanes on the fast break.

3. He is hurting Smart's progression,  imo.

But, yes, CBS has seemed to settled him down and get the most out of him.

CBS probably can't fix 1, could improve 2 greatly, and has a major problem with 3.

We are going to have big money to spend, like a lot of other teams, and I'd like to upgrade Turner if we could to someone who compliments Smart a little bit better.

[JBcat]

Are we going to pay him $10m a year?

I might especially with the cap rising so much the money won't seem as much in today's dollars.  The bench of Turner, Smart, and KO is so important to this team's success.  We would lock him up during his prime years, and you could always trade him down the line if you find a better replacement.

[Chief]

Are we going to pay him $10m a year?

I might especially with the cap rising so much the money won't seem as much in today's dollars.  The bench of Turner, Smart, and KO is so important to this team's success.  We would lock him up during his prime years, and you could always trade him down the line if you find a better replacement.

I'd love to hear some other GM's views on him.

[Dino Pitino]

Are we going to pay him $10m a year?

Yes, unless we get Durant. Turner is worth it. $10 million is basically going to be the new MLE, what you pay for your top bench players.

1. He is really bad at defense.

2. He is bad at not filling lanes on the fast break.

3. He is hurting Smart's progression,  imo.

But, yes, CBS has seemed to settled him down and get the most out of him.

CBS probably can't fix 1, could improve 2 greatly, and has a major problem with 3.

We are going to have big money to spend, like a lot of other teams, and I'd like to upgrade Turner if we could to someone who compliments Smart a little bit better.

1. What? Why is he bad at defense? Explain.

2. That's a rather minor weakness.

3. No he's not. Smart never has to develop into a floor general, definitely not while Isaiah is our PG which he will be for the foreseeable future, and regardless Smart can still improve as a ball handler and distributor anyway, we don't need to subtract Turner for that to happen.

[Chief]

Are we going to pay him $10m a year?

Yes, unless we get Durant. Turner is worth it. $10 million is basically going to be the new MLE, what you pay for your top bench players.

1. He is really bad at defense.

2. He is bad at not filling lanes on the fast break.

3. He is hurting Smart's progression,  imo.

But, yes, CBS has seemed to settled him down and get the most out of him.

CBS probably can't fix 1, could improve 2 greatly, and has a major problem with 3.

We are going to have big money to spend, like a lot of other teams, and I'd like to upgrade Turner if we could to someone who compliments Smart a little bit better.

1. What? Why is he bad at defense? Explain.

2. That's a rather minor weakness.

3. No he's not. Smart never has to develop into a floor general, definitely not while Isaiah is our PG which he will be for the foreseeable future, and regardless Smart can still improve as a ball handler and distributor anyway, we don't need to subtract Turner for that to happen.

He is out of place or gets beat on defense very regularly He also sticks to every pick like velcro. His length does get him a few steals, here and there, but overall it's not good.

And I greatly disagree with 3. Smart has special written all over him. He needs to be in full control of the 2nd unit so he can further develop.

Atlanta is dealing with the same thing with Teague and Schroeder.  Teague is a nice player but is impeading Schroeders progress.

[rollie mass]

For the first month of the season in 2012, 2013, and 2014, Turner also had people saying "Finally, Turner is playing like an All Star/#2 overall pick!", with a TS% in those months in the .530-545 range, a sizable positive net rating (except for November of 2013), and per-36 averages in the range of 15-20 pts, 7-9 reb, 4 ast. This February (and January, first back-to-back months like this ever) the TS% is up in that range again (as opposed to the usual sub-.500 atrocities), his net rating (111-105) is the best it's been since January of 2012 (101-93), only the third month of his career with a sizable positive net rating, and his per-36 averages are 15.7 pts, 8.3 reb, and 7.2 ast. Of course, the stats don't show how ballsy and clutch and smart he's been in the fourth quarter, lol. I think you're right, rollie, he really is playing like a #2 pick (roughly) now, but not just temporarily, has actually passed a turning point, thanks to the restoration specialists at Ainge & Stevens Inc. And I think you're right that we really need to keep him, unless renouncing him is the only way to get Durant. This free agent class blows, and if it weren't us he were doing this for, we'd all be looking at him as one of the hidden gems of the summer, like, "Hey, let's sign Turner, it looks like he finally figured things out and is [roughly] fulfilling his #2 pick potential as a late bloomer"...and what's satisfying as a fan is knowing that Ainge was already two or three steps ahead of all of us on this when he first signed Turner as an even more hidden gem-like substance, probably figured this as one of the workable trajectories for Turner. Why would we ever want to let go of a 16/8/7-caliber player who plays good defense and isn't inefficient anymore and is not just willing but comfortable coming off the bench? Turner Point for rollie, haha!

ainge was one step ahead by showing for his jersey being retired-ainge knows how to butter these guys up-like first phone call- and a turner point for you

[hwangjini_1]

this is a player celts have to keep from defence, to post ups and navigating paint
rebounding and now assists
durability and still youngish and coming into his own
 turner, isaiah, crowder and zeller all poster boys for ainge /brad-
turner down the stretch should do even better over other teams depleated benches as players move up in rotation due to injuries
when turner just plays letting the game dictate, he is a joy to watch getting to hoop or his mid range game and post ups-recently he looks like a number two in draft-this is the type of player you have to keep
turner is just starting to get consistent and in a way dominant
philadelphia in a way was good, he got to experiment with ball in his hands and brad has toned him down and put him in position to use his creativity in paint-outside isaiah  5-9, we have 6-7 turner-
how good could turner get

I'm with you Rollie, I think Turner is really important to this teams success.
But his good play/bonehead play ratio is needs to improve.

good points by both posters. and that is the key i think for turner...he plays on THIS team with THIS coach. imagine if he wasnt playing with a CBS system. we still see that when he flips into hero-ball mode once in a while. but he does so seemingly less and less, whew.

this team lacks, outside of IT, someone who can handle the ball and attack the basket and free lance. turner can do that. turner plays an important role on a team with limited talents, and that is in large part thanks to CBS.

but, honestly, for me i see the celtics doing more for turner than he can do for the celtics. i think his place on this team could be replaced, and made better, by other players in the league.

on the other hand, i do not think there are many teams that would allow turner's limited talents to shine as they do here.

both sides benefit for now. but the celtics could do better. i am not sure turner could on another team.

[Celtics18]

Are we going to pay him $10m a year?

Yes, unless we get Durant. Turner is worth it. $10 million is basically going to be the new MLE, what you pay for your top bench players.

1. He is really bad at defense.

2. He is bad at not filling lanes on the fast break.

3. He is hurting Smart's progression,  imo.

But, yes, CBS has seemed to settled him down and get the most out of him.

CBS probably can't fix 1, could improve 2 greatly, and has a major problem with 3.

We are going to have big money to spend, like a lot of other teams, and I'd like to upgrade Turner if we could to someone who compliments Smart a little bit better.

1. What? Why is he bad at defense? Explain.

2. That's a rather minor weakness.

3. No he's not. Smart never has to develop into a floor general, definitely not while Isaiah is our PG which he will be for the foreseeable future, and regardless Smart can still improve as a ball handler and distributor anyway, we don't need to subtract Turner for that to happen.

He is out of place or gets beat on defense very regularly He also sticks to every pick like velcro. His length does get him a few steals, here and there, but overall it's not good.

And I greatly disagree with 3. Smart has special written all over him. He needs to be in full control of the 2nd unit so he can further develop.

Atlanta is dealing with the same thing with Teague and Schroeder.  Teague is a nice player but is impeading Schroeders progress.

I disagree on both Smart and Schroeder.  I think both young players are in great situations to learn while being key contributors to good teams.  They are both still young and their time will come for bigger roles.  I don't think rushing youngsters into 30-35 minutes per night and putting the ball in their hands as the primary ballhandler is necessarily a way to accelerate growth.

I look at a guy like Emmanuel Mudiay and wonder if he's really benefiting from playing big minutes as the Nuggets main lead ball handler?  Would he be better off playing behind an experienced player on a good team and taking a slower approach?

I don't know for sure, but fans are always so impatient with young players, wanting to see them get big minutes, sometimes even at the expense of team success. 

Marcus is in a great position to develop here in Boston.  He's playing a big role on the east's third seeded team, yet for some it's not moving quickly enough.

Patience.

[alldaboston]

I think it's a gradual process with smart. This year he's handling the ball more. Last year, even when he was starting, it was ET who was running the offense more. They've both gone to the bench this year, but smart's time in the ball has increased. I hope he continues to get reps, though you have to wonder if Turner being here will allow that to happen