Woj Update(s) on Boston

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I don't think anyone is going to give us a pick for Lee. If we can't use him in a larger trade for a star, he will be cut after today , and every team knows this.

For $8mil in cash? Beg to differ....

You're looking at this all wrong. Portland surely has other suitors who'd like to dump salary themselves.

This is all about who will give the most to Portland for that benefit.

So, I think the pick, if anything, is going to come from Boston's side. They have a ton of 2nd rounders to burn. If anything comes from Portland it's a heavily protected 2nd rounder.

Why Celtics do it? Because we gain a TPE which can be traded through draft night (will lose value after that).

And that's a good deal to make.

The only way Portland sends us something is if they have no one else to play with, which I very much highly doubt.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but you're not factoring the salary floor.

It could very well be that Paul Allen would rather have a couple of 2nds than a substantial amount of cash, but the Andersen-to-Memphis deal from day before yesterday flies in the face of that. Neil Olshey is too good to let an opportunity like that pass without doing so deliberately.

As I've stated, I'm not overly concerned about netting a late pick, but I also doubt Danny needs to include one when the case savings to POR is huge.

I AM factoring the salary floor, I just don't buy that we're the only ones in position to help the reach it.

First it'll be a competition of who'll give the most to gain the TPE.

If all that fails, and we're the only suitors then it's a fight between who has more to gain... salary savings for Portland or Boston with the TPE.

And it's only in that last scenario in which I can see Portland giving up a 2nd rounder, and maybe not even then since I think both teams get something out of it in the end.

Who knows. I just don't think that the trade or the asking price is Lee for 2nd rounder, but the opposite. If nothing materializes, then sure that could be entertained.

Well they chose to acquire an actual player instead of just an expiring or two, making this moot. Why they acquired Varajao? That's beyond me.

[Tr1boy]

I don't think anyone is going to give us a pick for Lee. If we can't use him in a larger trade for a star, he will be cut after today , and every team knows this.

For $8mil in cash? Beg to differ....

You're looking at this all wrong. Portland surely has other suitors who'd like to dump salary themselves.

This is all about who will give the most to Portland for that benefit.

So, I think the pick, if anything, is going to come from Boston's side. They have a ton of 2nd rounders to burn. If anything comes from Portland it's a heavily protected 2nd rounder.

Why Celtics do it? Because we gain a TPE which can be traded through draft night (will lose value after that).

And that's a good deal to make.

The only way Portland sends us something is if they have no one else to play with, which I very much highly doubt.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but you're not factoring the salary floor.

It could very well be that Paul Allen would rather have a couple of 2nds than a substantial amount of cash, but the Andersen-to-Memphis deal from day before yesterday flies in the face of that. Neil Olshey is too good to let an opportunity like that pass without doing so deliberately.

As I've stated, I'm not overly concerned about netting a late pick, but I also doubt Danny needs to include one when the case savings to POR is huge.

I AM factoring the salary floor, I just don't buy that we're the only ones in position to help the reach it.

First it'll be a competition of who'll give the most to gain the TPE.

If all that fails, and we're the only suitors then it's a fight between who has more to gain... salary savings for Portland or Boston with the TPE.

And it's only in that last scenario in which I can see Portland giving up a 2nd rounder, and maybe not even then since I think both teams get something out of it in the end.

Who knows. I just don't think that the trade or the asking price is Lee for 2nd rounder, but the opposite. If nothing materializes, then sure that could be entertained.

Well they chose to acquire an actual player instead of just an expiring or two, making this moot. Why they acquired Varajao? That's beyond me.

Blazers prob looking for some vet help/leadership

Not a bad idea.

[fairweatherfan]

Woj says they're likely waiving Varejao.

[Donoghus]

I don't think anyone is going to give us a pick for Lee. If we can't use him in a larger trade for a star, he will be cut after today , and every team knows this.

For $8mil in cash? Beg to differ....

You're looking at this all wrong. Portland surely has other suitors who'd like to dump salary themselves.

This is all about who will give the most to Portland for that benefit.

So, I think the pick, if anything, is going to come from Boston's side. They have a ton of 2nd rounders to burn. If anything comes from Portland it's a heavily protected 2nd rounder.

Why Celtics do it? Because we gain a TPE which can be traded through draft night (will lose value after that).

And that's a good deal to make.

The only way Portland sends us something is if they have no one else to play with, which I very much highly doubt.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but you're not factoring the salary floor.

It could very well be that Paul Allen would rather have a couple of 2nds than a substantial amount of cash, but the Andersen-to-Memphis deal from day before yesterday flies in the face of that. Neil Olshey is too good to let an opportunity like that pass without doing so deliberately.

As I've stated, I'm not overly concerned about netting a late pick, but I also doubt Danny needs to include one when the case savings to POR is huge.

I AM factoring the salary floor, I just don't buy that we're the only ones in position to help the reach it.

First it'll be a competition of who'll give the most to gain the TPE.

If all that fails, and we're the only suitors then it's a fight between who has more to gain... salary savings for Portland or Boston with the TPE.

And it's only in that last scenario in which I can see Portland giving up a 2nd rounder, and maybe not even then since I think both teams get something out of it in the end.

Who knows. I just don't think that the trade or the asking price is Lee for 2nd rounder, but the opposite. If nothing materializes, then sure that could be entertained.

Well they chose to acquire an actual player instead of just an expiring or two, making this moot. Why they acquired Varajao? That's beyond me.

Blazers prob looking for some vet help/leadership

Not a bad idea.

Doubt it.  He's gonna get waived.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I don't think anyone is going to give us a pick for Lee. If we can't use him in a larger trade for a star, he will be cut after today , and every team knows this.

For $8mil in cash? Beg to differ....

You're looking at this all wrong. Portland surely has other suitors who'd like to dump salary themselves.

This is all about who will give the most to Portland for that benefit.

So, I think the pick, if anything, is going to come from Boston's side. They have a ton of 2nd rounders to burn. If anything comes from Portland it's a heavily protected 2nd rounder.

Why Celtics do it? Because we gain a TPE which can be traded through draft night (will lose value after that).

And that's a good deal to make.

The only way Portland sends us something is if they have no one else to play with, which I very much highly doubt.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but you're not factoring the salary floor.

It could very well be that Paul Allen would rather have a couple of 2nds than a substantial amount of cash, but the Andersen-to-Memphis deal from day before yesterday flies in the face of that. Neil Olshey is too good to let an opportunity like that pass without doing so deliberately.

As I've stated, I'm not overly concerned about netting a late pick, but I also doubt Danny needs to include one when the case savings to POR is huge.

I AM factoring the salary floor, I just don't buy that we're the only ones in position to help the reach it.

First it'll be a competition of who'll give the most to gain the TPE.

If all that fails, and we're the only suitors then it's a fight between who has more to gain... salary savings for Portland or Boston with the TPE.

And it's only in that last scenario in which I can see Portland giving up a 2nd rounder, and maybe not even then since I think both teams get something out of it in the end.

Who knows. I just don't think that the trade or the asking price is Lee for 2nd rounder, but the opposite. If nothing materializes, then sure that could be entertained.

Well they chose to acquire an actual player instead of just an expiring or two, making this moot. Why they acquired Varajao? That's beyond me.

Blazers prob looking for some vet help/leadership

Not a bad idea.

Doubt it.  He's gonna get waived.

He will be waived and got a 1st round pick out of it.

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I don't think anyone is going to give us a pick for Lee. If we can't use him in a larger trade for a star, he will be cut after today , and every team knows this.

For $8mil in cash? Beg to differ....

You're looking at this all wrong. Portland surely has other suitors who'd like to dump salary themselves.

This is all about who will give the most to Portland for that benefit.

So, I think the pick, if anything, is going to come from Boston's side. They have a ton of 2nd rounders to burn. If anything comes from Portland it's a heavily protected 2nd rounder.

Why Celtics do it? Because we gain a TPE which can be traded through draft night (will lose value after that).

And that's a good deal to make.

The only way Portland sends us something is if they have no one else to play with, which I very much highly doubt.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but you're not factoring the salary floor.

It could very well be that Paul Allen would rather have a couple of 2nds than a substantial amount of cash, but the Andersen-to-Memphis deal from day before yesterday flies in the face of that. Neil Olshey is too good to let an opportunity like that pass without doing so deliberately.

As I've stated, I'm not overly concerned about netting a late pick, but I also doubt Danny needs to include one when the case savings to POR is huge.

I AM factoring the salary floor, I just don't buy that we're the only ones in position to help the reach it.

First it'll be a competition of who'll give the most to gain the TPE.

If all that fails, and we're the only suitors then it's a fight between who has more to gain... salary savings for Portland or Boston with the TPE.

And it's only in that last scenario in which I can see Portland giving up a 2nd rounder, and maybe not even then since I think both teams get something out of it in the end.

Who knows. I just don't think that the trade or the asking price is Lee for 2nd rounder, but the opposite. If nothing materializes, then sure that could be entertained.

Well they chose to acquire an actual player instead of just an expiring or two, making this moot. Why they acquired Varajao? That's beyond me.

Blazers prob looking for some vet help/leadership

Not a bad idea.

Doubt it.  He's gonna get waived.

He will be waived and got a 1st round pick out of it.

Where'd you see that? Woj notes a "conditional" 1st and that Varajao "could" be waived. I believe his deal is guaranteed for 2016-17. Poking around elsewhere on it too....

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--cavaliers-acquire-channing-frye-in-three-team-trade-181913975.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[BudweiserCeltic]

I don't think anyone is going to give us a pick for Lee. If we can't use him in a larger trade for a star, he will be cut after today , and every team knows this.

For $8mil in cash? Beg to differ....

You're looking at this all wrong. Portland surely has other suitors who'd like to dump salary themselves.

This is all about who will give the most to Portland for that benefit.

So, I think the pick, if anything, is going to come from Boston's side. They have a ton of 2nd rounders to burn. If anything comes from Portland it's a heavily protected 2nd rounder.

Why Celtics do it? Because we gain a TPE which can be traded through draft night (will lose value after that).

And that's a good deal to make.

The only way Portland sends us something is if they have no one else to play with, which I very much highly doubt.

I understand the point you're trying to make, but you're not factoring the salary floor.

It could very well be that Paul Allen would rather have a couple of 2nds than a substantial amount of cash, but the Andersen-to-Memphis deal from day before yesterday flies in the face of that. Neil Olshey is too good to let an opportunity like that pass without doing so deliberately.

As I've stated, I'm not overly concerned about netting a late pick, but I also doubt Danny needs to include one when the case savings to POR is huge.

I AM factoring the salary floor, I just don't buy that we're the only ones in position to help the reach it.

First it'll be a competition of who'll give the most to gain the TPE.

If all that fails, and we're the only suitors then it's a fight between who has more to gain... salary savings for Portland or Boston with the TPE.

And it's only in that last scenario in which I can see Portland giving up a 2nd rounder, and maybe not even then since I think both teams get something out of it in the end.

Who knows. I just don't think that the trade or the asking price is Lee for 2nd rounder, but the opposite. If nothing materializes, then sure that could be entertained.

Well they chose to acquire an actual player instead of just an expiring or two, making this moot. Why they acquired Varajao? That's beyond me.

Blazers prob looking for some vet help/leadership

Not a bad idea.

Doubt it.  He's gonna get waived.

He will be waived and got a 1st round pick out of it.

Where'd you see that? Woj notes a "conditional" 1st and that Varajao "could" be waived. I believe his deal is guaranteed for 2016-17. Poking around elsewhere on it too....

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--cavaliers-acquire-channing-frye-in-three-team-trade-181913975.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Haven't read the details as I'm at work. Just saw this tweet from him, not sure the context of it other than what's stated. If there are other things I'm not seeing since I can't go into researching the trade, let me know. Don't have time to read the link you posted lol.

The "he will be waived" though was all speculation from me based on what I've seen reported as a likelihood. Not a given of course. But meh, first rounder... got to see the details on that.

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA
To take on Varejao's deal, the pick that Cleveland sends to Portland will be a 2018 first-round pick, league sources tell @TheVertical.

[fairweatherfan]

Woj's tweet was more strongly worded than the article:

The Portland Trail Blazers will likely waive Anderson Varejao, league sources tell @TheVertical.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Brian Windhorst @WindhorstESPN
2018 1st round pick Cavs are trading to Portland is top 10 protected for 2 years. Cavs also created new trade exception of $9.6M

[SHAQATTACK]

That's the max time the Diva stays in Cleveland ......if he looses this year ...it maybe sooner he flees Ohio for greener pastures of stars to get him more rings.

[Donoghus]

One less asset for CLE to use down the road.

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Brian Windhorst @WindhorstESPN
2018 1st round pick Cavs are trading to Portland is top 10 protected for 2 years. Cavs also created new trade exception of $9.6M

OK so in summation of our ongoing discussion about Portland, they received a pick likely to be in the 20s 3 drafts from now for the right to pay Varajao like $12.5mil (unless I'm wrong about his money being guaranteed next year). And they still haven't reached the floor element, should they care to.

Objectively, I'd say that's somewhere in the middle of what we've been debating on who pays who for value, especially if they're getting cash from CLE.

Anyway, what's done is done (unfortunately).

[rondohondo]

Adrian Wojnarowski
@WojVerticalNBA

Sources: Seventy minutes until deadline -- and Dwight Howard remains firmly in Houston. Rockets know how to make deals, so it isn't over.

Adrian Wojnarowski
@WojVerticalNBA

Sources: So far, Boston is sitting out the Dwight Howard talks.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Brian Windhorst @WindhorstESPN
2018 1st round pick Cavs are trading to Portland is top 10 protected for 2 years. Cavs also created new trade exception of $9.6M

OK so in summation of our ongoing discussion about Portland, they received a pick likely to be in the 20s 3 drafts from now for the right to pay Varajao like $12.5mil (unless I'm wrong about his money being guaranteed next year). And they still haven't reached the floor element, should they care to.

Objectively, I'd say that's somewhere in the middle of what we've been debating on who pays who for value. Anyway, what's done is done (unfortunately).

Don't have time to analyze it all, heading to a meeting now, to study the pros and cons... so I'll get back to it later.

Anyways, the main position of mine was when there's competition one can't assume you'll manage to trade what you dump at no cost, and getting further value on top of it.

Like in a vacuum, if it's only Boston and Portland negotiating then sure I'd see them trading a 2nd rounder to reach the floor. I mean, that was my position months ago when this idea first surfaced. But the mistake we were all doing, including me, is that we didn't factor the value other teams might gain from such trade and what they'd be willing to pay, if anything, to acquire that value (dump salary + TPE which can be traded at the draft).

[j804]

Adrian Wojnarowski
@WojVerticalNBA

Sources: Seventy minutes until deadline -- and Dwight Howard remains firmly in Houston. Rockets know how to make deals, so it isn't over.

Adrian Wojnarowski
@WojVerticalNBA

Sources: So far, Boston is sitting out the Dwight Howard talks.

whos gonna blink first?