Woj Update(s) on Boston

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I don't think anyone is going to give us a pick for Lee. If we can't use him in a larger trade for a star, he will be cut after today , and every team knows this.

For $8mil in cash? Beg to differ....

So why isn't Portland getting Steve Novak from the Thunder then, who desperately want to save luxury tax dollars?  Why didn't they get Chris Anderson from the Heat, who instead sent a pick to
Memphis to save on taxes?  If the Celtics want to dump Lee, they have one potential buyer.  If Portland wants to take on more salary to get above the floor, they have 29 potential sellers.  Accordingly, Portland has no reason to send out picks.

Because it doesn't get Portland above the floor. Trading for the players you mention doesn't save them a dime. Got it oh yee local Cap Master?

[fairweatherfan]

Sources: So far, Boston's showing unwillingness to pay premium prices on rentals for Al Horford and Dwight Howard. ~ @WojVerticalNBA

We're already doing well on that front if the teams are thinking of them as a rental for us.  I'm convinced we don't move on either of those guys unless we intend to sign them and expect there's a good chance they'll agree.  And that's a big reason why I hope Howard doesn't come near this roster.  Hopeful on Horford though (or Love).

[fairweatherfan]

I don't think anyone is going to give us a pick for Lee. If we can't use him in a larger trade for a star, he will be cut after today , and every team knows this.

For $8mil in cash? Beg to differ....

So why isn't Portland getting Steve Novak from the Thunder then, who desperately want to save luxury tax dollars?  Why didn't they get Chris Anderson from the Heat, who instead sent a pick to
Memphis to save on taxes?  If the Celtics want to dump Lee, they have one potential buyer.  If Portland wants to take on more salary to get above the floor, they have 29 potential sellers.  Accordingly, Portland has no reason to send out picks.

Because it doesn't get Portland above the floor.

Do you know what the penalty for not getting above the salary floor is?  All your current players get raises and are happier.  That's literally it.

Getting over the floor as a motivator is overrated in my opinion.  There's no reason to give up a pick just to get over it.


EDIT: There can be some minor trickery where you pay a player's remaining salary (after acquiring him) and count the full season's salary against the floor.  Philly did this last year with Robinson I believe.  But that's still not much of an incentive.

[Vermont Green]

Why give up anything for a rental?

I think this question has been obliterated covered over the past few days....

I guess I remain unconvinced and it appears Danny sees it the same.

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I don't think anyone is going to give us a pick for Lee. If we can't use him in a larger trade for a star, he will be cut after today , and every team knows this.

For $8mil in cash? Beg to differ....

So why isn't Portland getting Steve Novak from the Thunder then, who desperately want to save luxury tax dollars?  Why didn't they get Chris Anderson from the Heat, who instead sent a pick to
Memphis to save on taxes?  If the Celtics want to dump Lee, they have one potential buyer.  If Portland wants to take on more salary to get above the floor, they have 29 potential sellers.  Accordingly, Portland has no reason to send out picks.

Because it doesn't get Portland above the floor.

Do you know what the penalty for not getting above the salary floor is?  All your current players get raises and are happier.  That's literally it.

Getting over the floor as a motivator is overrated in my opinion.  There's no reason to give up a pick just to get over it.

Incorrect. It saves the Blazers $8mil by simply adding Lee, and closer to $9mil if they buy him out upon acquiring him.

Payroll is not actual dollars paid to players -- simply what their cap sheet looks like on the final day of the season. So the Blazers don't have to pay David Lee all his money to benefit from his cap hold.

Sounds like a pretty good incentive to me. So I wouldn't be shocked to see Danny extract a future 2nd out of it, unless the Lakers beat him to it with Hibbert.

One other note here: I think there's a way the Cs could include Miami and pull a (better) pick out of them, considering Riley throws picks around like Tim Donaghy did games. I'll post it shortly if I can find the proposal I put up a couple of days ago.

[fairweatherfan]

I don't think anyone is going to give us a pick for Lee. If we can't use him in a larger trade for a star, he will be cut after today , and every team knows this.

For $8mil in cash? Beg to differ....

So why isn't Portland getting Steve Novak from the Thunder then, who desperately want to save luxury tax dollars?  Why didn't they get Chris Anderson from the Heat, who instead sent a pick to
Memphis to save on taxes?  If the Celtics want to dump Lee, they have one potential buyer.  If Portland wants to take on more salary to get above the floor, they have 29 potential sellers.  Accordingly, Portland has no reason to send out picks.

Because it doesn't get Portland above the floor.

Do you know what the penalty for not getting above the salary floor is?  All your current players get raises and are happier.  That's literally it.

Getting over the floor as a motivator is overrated in my opinion.  There's no reason to give up a pick just to get over it.

Incorrect. It saves the Blazers $8mil by simply adding Lee, and closer to $9mil if they buy him out upon acquiring him.

Payroll is not actual dollars paid to players -- simply what their cap sheet looks like on the final day of the season. So the Blazers don't have to pay David Lee all his money to benefit from his cap hold.

Sounds like a pretty good incentive to me. So I wouldn't be shocked to see Danny extract a future 2nd out of it, unless the Lakers beat him to it with Hibbert.

Yeah I mentioned that in my edit - you can fudge things by counting a full salary while paying a portion.  Sixers did this last year.  So there is some incentive there, but it only seems relevant if you lack leverage, i.e. there's only one potential trade partner.  If there are multiple bidders for your cap space who have their own incentive of saving several million in salary, why give up anything meaningful for it? 

EDIT: Especially when you can just pick up waiver guys to get over it, like the Sixers did.  Bought out players have to clear waivers if I'm not mistaken.  Even less leverage for Boston if we're truly looking to dump him one way or another.

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I don't think anyone is going to give us a pick for Lee. If we can't use him in a larger trade for a star, he will be cut after today , and every team knows this.

For $8mil in cash? Beg to differ....

So why isn't Portland getting Steve Novak from the Thunder then, who desperately want to save luxury tax dollars?  Why didn't they get Chris Anderson from the Heat, who instead sent a pick to
Memphis to save on taxes?  If the Celtics want to dump Lee, they have one potential buyer.  If Portland wants to take on more salary to get above the floor, they have 29 potential sellers.  Accordingly, Portland has no reason to send out picks.

Because it doesn't get Portland above the floor.

Do you know what the penalty for not getting above the salary floor is?  All your current players get raises and are happier.  That's literally it.

Getting over the floor as a motivator is overrated in my opinion.  There's no reason to give up a pick just to get over it.

Incorrect. It saves the Blazers $8mil by simply adding Lee, and closer to $9mil if they buy him out upon acquiring him.

Payroll is not actual dollars paid to players -- simply what their cap sheet looks like on the final day of the season. So the Blazers don't have to pay David Lee all his money to benefit from his cap hold.

Sounds like a pretty good incentive to me. So I wouldn't be shocked to see Danny extract a future 2nd out of it, unless the Lakers beat him to it with Hibbert.

Yeah I mentioned that in my edit - you can fudge things by counting a full salary while paying a portion.  Sixers did this last year.  So there is some incentive there, but it only seems relevant if you lack leverage, i.e. there's only one potential trade partner.  If there are multiple bidders for your cap space who have their own incentive of saving several million in salary, why give up anything meaningful for it? 

EDIT: Especially when you can just pick up waiver guys to get over it, like the Sixers did.  Bought out players have to clear waivers if I'm not mistaken.  Even less leverage for Boston if we're truly looking to dump him one way or another.

What guarantees do the Blazers have that Boston will waive Lee? The only other practical solution is Hibbert. Could be that LAL wants to keep his Bird Rights.

Regardless, I'm not hung up on getting a 2nd round pick -- I care more about the roster spot, cap room and $$$, especially if the Cs can turn around and immediately do a deal like the one I posted in the OKC thread.

If that's the case, POR has no reason to wait and hope. Who knows? Maybe they'd eve be interested in having NBA championship experience in their young locker room.

[saltlover]

I don't think anyone is going to give us a pick for Lee. If we can't use him in a larger trade for a star, he will be cut after today , and every team knows this.

For $8mil in cash? Beg to differ....

So why isn't Portland getting Steve Novak from the Thunder then, who desperately want to save luxury tax dollars?  Why didn't they get Chris Anderson from the Heat, who instead sent a pick to
Memphis to save on taxes?  If the Celtics want to dump Lee, they have one potential buyer.  If Portland wants to take on more salary to get above the floor, they have 29 potential sellers.  Accordingly, Portland has no reason to send out picks.

Because it doesn't get Portland above the floor. Trading for the players you mention doesn't save them a dime. Got it oh yee local Cap Master?

Right!  They could have gotten a second for Anderson and a second for Novak and a second for Aaron Brooks and suddenly they've added nearly $12 million to their payroll, accomplishing a similar goal.

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I don't think anyone is going to give us a pick for Lee. If we can't use him in a larger trade for a star, he will be cut after today , and every team knows this.

For $8mil in cash? Beg to differ....

So why isn't Portland getting Steve Novak from the Thunder then, who desperately want to save luxury tax dollars?  Why didn't they get Chris Anderson from the Heat, who instead sent a pick to
Memphis to save on taxes?  If the Celtics want to dump Lee, they have one potential buyer.  If Portland wants to take on more salary to get above the floor, they have 29 potential sellers.  Accordingly, Portland has no reason to send out picks.

Because it doesn't get Portland above the floor. Trading for the players you mention doesn't save them a dime. Got it oh yee local Cap Master?

Right!  They could have gotten a second for Anderson and a second for Novak and a second for Aaron Brooks and suddenly they've added nearly $12 million to their payroll, accomplishing a similar goal.

Wrong. By my math they're over $13.5MM below the floor. So they'd have to cut a bunch of players (i.e. 2nd round pick guys) and manage all those negotiations and deals to still not reach it.

The Lee (or Hibbert) move is by far the more practical one.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I don't think anyone is going to give us a pick for Lee. If we can't use him in a larger trade for a star, he will be cut after today , and every team knows this.

For $8mil in cash? Beg to differ....

You're looking at this all wrong. Portland surely has other suitors who'd like to dump salary themselves.

This is all about who will give the most to Portland for that benefit.

So, I think the pick, if anything, is going to come from Boston's side. They have a ton of 2nd rounders to burn. If anything comes from Portland it's a heavily protected 2nd rounder.

Why Celtics do it? Because we gain a TPE which can be traded through draft night (will lose value after that).

And that's a good deal to make.

The only way Portland sends us something is if they have no one else to play with, which I very much highly doubt.

[tankcity!]

I just want to say, I really hate Morey.

[rondohondo]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA 5m5 minutes ago

Sources: Atlanta's expressing its intentions to rivals that Hawks plan to keep team intact at deadline, holding onto Horford and key guards.

[fairweatherfan]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA 5m5 minutes ago

Sources: Atlanta's expressing its intentions to rivals that Hawks plan to keep team intact at deadline, holding onto Horford and key guards.

Kicked the tires, couldn't get enough.  Oh well, this'll keep their core intact for that championship run this spring   

[heyvik]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA 5m5 minutes ago

Sources: Atlanta's expressing its intentions to rivals that Hawks plan to keep team intact at deadline, holding onto Horford and key guards.

meaning...have to wait until July 4th for fireworks....or sometime thereafter

[Donoghus]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA 5m5 minutes ago

Sources: Atlanta's expressing its intentions to rivals that Hawks plan to keep team intact at deadline, holding onto Horford and key guards.

Kicked the tires, couldn't get enough.  Oh well, this'll keep their core intact for that championship run this spring   

Let's see if they're feeling that same way in 3 hours.