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Re: Keep all the picks!!!1
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2016, 05:28:51 PM »

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If we come out of the draft with Ingram and Poeltl, I'll be happy. Or instead of Poeltl, Luwawu and Valentine.
what range is poeltl in?

what's wrong with Rabb, Bender or Brown instead of Ingram?

Re: Keep all the picks!!!1
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2016, 05:31:14 PM »

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I would like to see Ainge trade one or more of this year's picks for future higher picks, the BKN pick excluded of course. There are only so many roster spots and it is a great way to improve the value of the picks without having to make a tough decision about roster spots.

Re: Keep all the picks!!!1
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2016, 05:39:41 PM »

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I would like to see Ainge trade one or more of this year's picks for future higher picks, the BKN pick excluded of course. There are only so many roster spots and it is a great way to improve the value of the picks without having to make a tough decision about roster spots.
agreed, this would be nice.

on the other hand, we might give 5-6 players the Marcus Thornton treatment.

Re: Keep all the picks!!!1
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2016, 05:57:22 PM »

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I'd like to trade our pick, the Dallas pick and the 76ers pick to move up to like 10th or so (but as late as 12th), assuming the Dallas pick is 13th or higher.  That means we will get one from each of these groups:

Nets Pick: Simmons, Ingram, Bender, Dunn or Brown

"Combo" Pick: Skal L, Hield, Murray, Poeltl, Diamond Stone, Ellenson or Rabb

I'm really happy with that and the draft falls off a cliff after that.

To me this looks really expensive: give up three picks (virtually the philly pick is a first rounder too) to move up only 3 places.

We have no roster spots and I like the top 12 picks a ton.

I like your way of thinking but consider that some of the players now projected to be top 12 might well fall enough places for us to take them.

The problem of too many picks for a single roster remains, but choosing the best among a cohort of young players is an approach that might work well too.

Re: Keep all the picks!!!1
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2016, 06:13:49 PM »

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Danny has a number of ways that he can trade the picks.  The most immediate would be to trade 2 or 3 picks to move up and select a better player.  Another obvious option is to trade a pick or picks, possibly in combination with some players, to get a top player (such as Love for example).  I think a less obvious option that will be in play (mentioned above) is to trade a current pick for what is hopefully a better pick or picks in the future.

For most teams, a current pick is worth more that a future pick in the same position (a 2016 10th pick has more value than a 2018 10th pick).  You never know what the future picks will be but that is part of the gamble.  Because the Celtics have so many current picks, they can work this the other way and pick up some very good future value by trading away surplus current value.

The Celtics could also just use all the picks.  I hope they can make some trades but this "worst case" of just using all the picks is not all that bad of an option.  Players once picked can still be traded later but if we use all the picks this year, it will be difficult to manage all the roster spots.

I am happy Danny did not trade any picks just to make a trade.  I got excited about the Winslow talk and the Love talk (both of which could be in play in the off season).  I was even excited for the short period of time that there was Blake Griffin talk.  I was not excited about Howard or Horford rental talk.  All in all, I am fine with continuing to be patient.

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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2016, 06:20:33 PM »

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I would like to see Ainge trade one or more of this year's picks for future higher picks, the BKN pick excluded of course. There are only so many roster spots and it is a great way to improve the value of the picks without having to make a tough decision about roster spots.

I would love this approach along with stashing maybe a couple players overseas. 

For roster spots to open up.  Lee is a definite goner.  Next in line would probably be JJ.  With Amir I'd like too see if we can upgrade somehow in free agency.  Zeller, Sully, and Turner I wouldn't mind back at the right price if we are unable to find clear upgrades.  So in my mind maybe room for 2 rookies, and gives us more time to develop Young, Hunter,  Rozier, and Mickey.   Eventually we'll find considation trades but I have this in my head for now taking on just 2 rookies.

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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2016, 06:52:33 PM »

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There is a huge drop off after Ingram.  Not too many projected first rounders that excite me so I wouldn't mind if we had traded or eventually trade the Dallas and our own pick.  A win for us would be Ingram and Dejounte Murray.

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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2016, 07:09:42 PM »

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I really hope we land top two... I know it isn't worth hoping for that because the lottery is awful to us, but I'm finding it so hard to get excited about anyone outside of Simmons or Ingram. I could maybe get on board with Dunn but we don't need another guard... hopefully we could trade it if it falls outside top 2

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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2016, 07:18:31 PM »

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How many drafts that are billed as top-heavy like this one wind up having a player or two picked where supposedly things fall off a cliff winding up just as good or better than the hyped ones at the very top? A lot, I'd wager.
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Re: Keep all the picks!!!1
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2016, 07:33:55 PM »

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How many drafts that are billed as top-heavy like this one wind up having a player or two picked where supposedly things fall off a cliff winding up just as good or better than the hyped ones at the very top? A lot, I'd wager.

It's true.

Just look at the 2013 draft, which was supposed to be extremely weak.  The best two prospects in the draft were taken in the second half of the first round, and one of the top two picks was an out-and-out bust.  Yet plenty of quality role players and even a number of starter-caliber guys have come from that draft.

I think the way to look at it is that a "weak" draft is one where the prospects are very difficult to assess.  A "strong" draft presents you with a deep selection of guys you feel very confident will turn into high quality players. 

A "weak" draft might produce just as many good players as the "strong" draft, but it's more of a crap shoot, so having a high pick isn't as valuable.
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Re: Keep all the picks!!!1
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2016, 07:41:12 PM »

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How many drafts that are billed as top-heavy like this one wind up having a player or two picked where supposedly things fall off a cliff winding up just as good or better than the hyped ones at the very top? A lot, I'd wager.

It's true.

Just look at the 2013 draft, which was supposed to be extremely weak.  The best two prospects in the draft were taken in the second half of the first round, and one of the top two picks was an out-and-out bust.  Yet plenty of quality role players and even a number of starter-caliber guys have come from that draft.

I think the way to look at it is that a "weak" draft is one where the prospects are very difficult to assess.  A "strong" draft presents you with a deep selection of guys you feel very confident will turn into high quality players. 

A "weak" draft might produce just as many good players as the "strong" draft, but it's more of a crap shoot, so having a high pick isn't as valuable.

Usually when there are drafts with 2-3 can't miss prospects, at least one of them ends up pretty good.  It's not really fair to compare this year to a draft where people went "who? wait, really?" when the first pick was announced.  That was a draft that people thought was weak overall (it was ok in retrospect, but not great or anything) and hard to scout (it was).

This draft starts off good for two picks, then there are like 8 guys who are all ranked dead even and people think could be ok, then it becomes hard to scout.  Neither of the top 5 picks have medical concerns, which is another bonus.  There certainly might be some players in the second part like Luwawu, LaVert or Zhou Qi, but you're certainly not reaching for any of them. 

Even if they do end up good, how much of that will be because they end up on teams with good coaching that use them correctly from day 1?  Like if Petr Corneile ends up on the Spurs, do you think he's a different player than if he ends up on the Kings? 

Re: Keep all the picks!!!1
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2016, 07:46:56 PM »

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How many drafts that are billed as top-heavy like this one wind up having a player or two picked where supposedly things fall off a cliff winding up just as good or better than the hyped ones at the very top? A lot, I'd wager.

All of them.
DKC Seventy-Sixers:

PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Keep all the picks!!!1
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2016, 07:50:25 PM »

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How many drafts that are billed as top-heavy like this one wind up having a player or two picked where supposedly things fall off a cliff winding up just as good or better than the hyped ones at the very top? A lot, I'd wager.

It's true.

Just look at the 2013 draft, which was supposed to be extremely weak.  The best two prospects in the draft were taken in the second half of the first round, and one of the top two picks was an out-and-out bust.  Yet plenty of quality role players and even a number of starter-caliber guys have come from that draft.

I think the way to look at it is that a "weak" draft is one where the prospects are very difficult to assess.  A "strong" draft presents you with a deep selection of guys you feel very confident will turn into high quality players. 

A "weak" draft might produce just as many good players as the "strong" draft, but it's more of a crap shoot, so having a high pick isn't as valuable.

Which drafts do you consider "strong" by your measuring stick?
DKC Seventy-Sixers:

PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Keep all the picks!!!1
« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2016, 09:17:56 PM »

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dont we have something rediculous like 8 picks total and 3 first rounders this year? we cant keep them all or we will have to let some players go!

Re: Keep all the picks!!!1
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2016, 11:31:52 PM »

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dont we have something rediculous like 8 picks total and 3 first rounders this year? we cant keep them all or we will have to let some players go!

If we fail to trade up some of our pick, we will probably not renew Amir's contract (it's a team's option) and might let Sully and might also let Zeller and Sully walk (depending on what they ask).

At any rate, if we get that many picks in the end, most of them, esp. second rounders, will play in the DLeague or China.