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Re: Zach Lowe: C's "recoiled" at price for Dwight,may still have interest....
« Reply #135 on: February 17, 2016, 03:40:29 PM »

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Ric Bucher: “The Houston Rockets are going to do everything in their power to move Dwight Howard before the [trade] deadline.”
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I thought so. Rockets are now realizing they have no leverage in a Dwight Howard deal. I bet a billion TP's he gets traded before the deadline.

David Lee and the Dallas 1st makes total sense right now.

Heck, his value is so low right now I think david lee and the Minnesota 1st gets it done. I don't think straight up it works so they may have to include Sullinger.

I'm not giving up Sullinger when they are desperate, but Jerebko, sure.

Re: Zach Lowe: C's "recoiled" at price for Dwight,may still have interest....
« Reply #136 on: February 17, 2016, 03:43:35 PM »

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Ric Bucher: “The Houston Rockets are going to do everything in their power to move Dwight Howard before the [trade] deadline.”
– via NetsDaily

I thought so. Rockets are now realizing they have no leverage in a Dwight Howard deal. I bet a billion TP's he gets traded before the deadline.

David Lee and the Dallas 1st makes total sense right now.

Heck, his value is so low right now I think david lee and the Minnesota 1st gets it done. I don't think straight up it works so they may have to include Sullinger.

I'm not giving up Sullinger when they are desperate, but Jerebko, sure.

I hear ya, but the reason why I give up Sully is that I'm not sure I want him long-term on the Celtics and he's a restricted free agent. Last year we saw three teams give up their guys mid-season who were restricted FAs. Danny's in the same spot now with Zeller and Sully.

If Danny thinks he's worth it, then keep him. If not, get him out of here for the right price.

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« Reply #137 on: February 17, 2016, 03:48:11 PM »

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Ric Bucher: “The Houston Rockets are going to do everything in their power to move Dwight Howard before the [trade] deadline.”
– via NetsDaily

I thought so. Rockets are now realizing they have no leverage in a Dwight Howard deal. I bet a billion TP's he gets traded before the deadline.

David Lee and the Dallas 1st makes total sense right now.

Heck, his value is so low right now I think david lee and the Minnesota 1st gets it done. I don't think straight up Lee for Howard it works so they may have to include Sullinger.

Yes you would have to include either Sully or Zeller to make the numbers work.  So if we were to include a first rounder I prefer ours to Dallas's, then lottery protect it.

Most teams don't have a huge expiring contract like Lee willing to toss away with choices of first round picks to give up.

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« Reply #138 on: February 17, 2016, 03:48:34 PM »

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again, I can see some of these teams making him an offer, just not the max in years or $$. I just don't see a bull market for him.

It's not about a bull market for him. It's about a bear market for free agents in general. How much a GM would give Howard in a vacuum is meaningless. How much a GM declares he wants to give Howard months in advance is meaningless. When push comes to shove, and the top 5 or so free agents are snatched up, and there are all these middling teams with max cap room and nothing to spend it on and fanbases clamoring for a splash, Howard will suddenly look a lot better, and the GM who was rational months before will suddenly start talking himself into Howard, and there will be more than one such GM, and so a mini-bidding war will ensue, and Howard will get the max, and the "winning" franchise will almost insta-regret it. Like the desperate scene in a bar before last call when the least-mediocre chick starts looking like a model to dudes with beer goggles, and then the morning after remorse, etc. TLDR, no matter the sport: Never underestimate the willingness of front offices flush with cash but short on options to spend it badly.

If you don't want to discuss the topic in a vacuum, then why did you edit out the team analysis of who may (or may not) sign him in the real world, as well as quotes from league execs, then start talking in sports generalities? Follow me?

What team is going to sign Howard to a max contract this summer, and why? What GM wants to get fired when Howard is annoying his teammates, sitting out back to backs like a *****, and whining to his coaches about touches while making $30mil in December of his 2nd season on a 4 year deal?

Maybe Michael Jordan will instruct Rich Cho to do it. Maybe.

Not sure "no" next to a team counts as analysis. So, for example, why wouldn't Atlanta or Orlando or Milwaukee be susceptible to the pressure to spend the money on something big?

Because it would need to make some sense.

Why would Orlando re-sign Dwight Howard to a max contract? Why would Atlanta when they could do the same with Horford, who doesn't wreck the locker room, they've made clear they'd like to keep (and vice versa)... because Howard thinks it would be nice to 'go home'? Why would Milwaukee when they have Monroe?

Dino, if you think there's a team where it makes sense, why not call them out and explain why? I get your general POV -- someone will be dumb enough to do it -- but i don't think you're assertion that I'm wrong about how (not especially) competitive the market will be for Howard this summer is very clearly justified. 
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Re: Zach Lowe: C's "recoiled" at price for Dwight,may still have interest....
« Reply #139 on: February 17, 2016, 03:58:04 PM »

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I think any team would be insane to pay Dwight the max or $30M whatever it is....  insane.  Get him as a rental?  Sure if the price is not too high - certainly NOT a #1. 

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« Reply #140 on: February 17, 2016, 04:07:01 PM »

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again, I can see some of these teams making him an offer, just not the max in years or $$. I just don't see a bull market for him.

It's not about a bull market for him. It's about a bear market for free agents in general. How much a GM would give Howard in a vacuum is meaningless. How much a GM declares he wants to give Howard months in advance is meaningless. When push comes to shove, and the top 5 or so free agents are snatched up, and there are all these middling teams with max cap room and nothing to spend it on and fanbases clamoring for a splash, Howard will suddenly look a lot better, and the GM who was rational months before will suddenly start talking himself into Howard, and there will be more than one such GM, and so a mini-bidding war will ensue, and Howard will get the max, and the "winning" franchise will almost insta-regret it. Like the desperate scene in a bar before last call when the least-mediocre chick starts looking like a model to dudes with beer goggles, and then the morning after remorse, etc. TLDR, no matter the sport: Never underestimate the willingness of front offices flush with cash but short on options to spend it badly.

If you don't want to discuss the topic in a vacuum, then why did you edit out the team analysis of who may (or may not) sign him in the real world, as well as quotes from league execs, then start talking in sports generalities? Follow me?

What team is going to sign Howard to a max contract this summer, and why? What GM wants to get fired when Howard is annoying his teammates, sitting out back to backs like a *****, and whining to his coaches about touches while making $30mil in December of his 2nd season on a 4 year deal?

Maybe Michael Jordan will instruct Rich Cho to do it. Maybe.

Not sure "no" next to a team counts as analysis. So, for example, why wouldn't Atlanta or Orlando or Milwaukee be susceptible to the pressure to spend the money on something big?

Because it would need to make some sense.

Why would Orlando re-sign Dwight Howard to a max contract? Why would Atlanta when they could do the same with Horford, who doesn't wreck the locker room, they've made clear they'd like to keep (and vice versa)... because Howard thinks it would be nice to 'go home'? Why would Milwaukee when they have Monroe?

Dino, if you think there's a team where it makes sense, why not call them out and explain why? I get your general POV -- someone will be dumb enough to do it -- but i don't think you're assertion that I'm wrong about how (not especially) competitive the market will be for Howard this summer is very clearly justified.

The obvious team is Charlotte. There's already smoke re: their interest. They have nothing of note in their frontcourt next season. And most of all, Jordan. I'd say they're practically a guarantee to offer him the max if there's even just one other team after Howard for any amount.
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« Reply #141 on: February 17, 2016, 04:38:23 PM »

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again, I can see some of these teams making him an offer, just not the max in years or $$. I just don't see a bull market for him.

It's not about a bull market for him. It's about a bear market for free agents in general. How much a GM would give Howard in a vacuum is meaningless. How much a GM declares he wants to give Howard months in advance is meaningless. When push comes to shove, and the top 5 or so free agents are snatched up, and there are all these middling teams with max cap room and nothing to spend it on and fanbases clamoring for a splash, Howard will suddenly look a lot better, and the GM who was rational months before will suddenly start talking himself into Howard, and there will be more than one such GM, and so a mini-bidding war will ensue, and Howard will get the max, and the "winning" franchise will almost insta-regret it. Like the desperate scene in a bar before last call when the least-mediocre chick starts looking like a model to dudes with beer goggles, and then the morning after remorse, etc. TLDR, no matter the sport: Never underestimate the willingness of front offices flush with cash but short on options to spend it badly.

If you don't want to discuss the topic in a vacuum, then why did you edit out the team analysis of who may (or may not) sign him in the real world, as well as quotes from league execs, then start talking in sports generalities? Follow me?

What team is going to sign Howard to a max contract this summer, and why? What GM wants to get fired when Howard is annoying his teammates, sitting out back to backs like a *****, and whining to his coaches about touches while making $30mil in December of his 2nd season on a 4 year deal?

Maybe Michael Jordan will instruct Rich Cho to do it. Maybe.

Not sure "no" next to a team counts as analysis. So, for example, why wouldn't Atlanta or Orlando or Milwaukee be susceptible to the pressure to spend the money on something big?

Because it would need to make some sense.

Why would Orlando re-sign Dwight Howard to a max contract? Why would Atlanta when they could do the same with Horford, who doesn't wreck the locker room, they've made clear they'd like to keep (and vice versa)... because Howard thinks it would be nice to 'go home'? Why would Milwaukee when they have Monroe?

Dino, if you think there's a team where it makes sense, why not call them out and explain why? I get your general POV -- someone will be dumb enough to do it -- but i don't think you're assertion that I'm wrong about how (not especially) competitive the market will be for Howard this summer is very clearly justified.

The obvious team is Charlotte. There's already smoke re: their interest. They have nothing of note in their frontcourt next season. And most of all, Jordan. I'd say they're practically a guarantee to offer him the max if there's even just one other team after Howard for any amount.

Will they offer him a deal? Probably. Doubt they need to offer him the max, though. Just because Jordan stupidly falls in love with poor draft choices doesn't mean Rich Cho hasn't been pretty good in transactional moves.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/chori99x.html
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« Reply #142 on: February 18, 2016, 04:15:54 AM »

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The Rockets remain determined to trade center Dwight Howard by the deadline, per ESPN. However, no frontrunner has emerged, the website reports. The Rockets have reportedly spoken to the Hornets, Hawks, Celtics and Raptors about a potential Howard deal.

Hmmmmm if we can land Dwight on the cheap I'd be stoked to see what we can do in the playoffs
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« Reply #143 on: February 18, 2016, 05:07:00 AM »

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we rly don't need to trade for the expiring contract of an overpaid ***hole like Howard.

Having said this, I would happily give Sully, Zeller and a non-Brooklyn pick for Love.

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« Reply #144 on: February 18, 2016, 05:21:23 AM »

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Cavs Update III: Rockets called to offer Dwight Howard. Not happening.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/700255549909307393

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« Reply #145 on: February 18, 2016, 05:45:38 AM »

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Cavs Update III: Rockets called to offer Dwight Howard. Not happening.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/700255549909307393

Why the hell not?

Did they not see how well they played with Tristan Thompson in last year's playoffs?

Now imagine Dwight Howard in that role.

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« Reply #146 on: February 18, 2016, 07:19:11 AM »

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Cavs Update III: Rockets called to offer Dwight Howard. Not happening.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/700255549909307393

Why the hell not?

Did they not see how well they played with Tristan Thompson in last year's playoffs?

Now imagine Dwight Howard in that role.

Because assuming HOU won't take Varajao back, CLE would have to trade LeBron, Kyrie, Thompson or Love for him.
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« Reply #147 on: February 18, 2016, 07:22:57 AM »

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I think Ainge tries for Love, Horford and Blake today but at the end of the day he settles for renting Dwight for the rest of the season.  That's my prediction....

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« Reply #148 on: February 18, 2016, 07:34:38 AM »

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I think Ainge tries for Love, Horford and Blake today but at the end of the day he settles for renting Dwight for the rest of the season.  That's my prediction....
It's just hard to visualize Howard in green.  I think it will be Horford.

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« Reply #149 on: February 18, 2016, 07:35:56 AM »

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Cavs Update III: Rockets called to offer Dwight Howard. Not happening.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/700255549909307393

Why the hell not?

Did they not see how well they played with Tristan Thompson in last year's playoffs?

Now imagine Dwight Howard in that role.

Because assuming HOU won't take Varajao back, CLE would have to trade LeBron, Kyrie, Thompson or Love for him.

I don't see the problem. Dwight is still playing better than either K-Love or T.Thompson. That is a clear upgrade for Cleveland.