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Re: markief morris
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2016, 09:35:12 AM »

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I don't get the obsession with the guy. 

He's really not that good.  He's a marginal talent who is really no better than the likes of Sully, Olynyk, Zeller, Amir or probably even Lee.

Utter waste of time going after that bonehead.

I don't really agree. He's a very good all-around player - good defense, can make the 3, finishes at the rim, good rebounder, no real weaknesses except attitude. Seems like a similarly good player as Sully (and better than our other bigs), but the difference is that he's signed through '18-'19 at a bargain $8m/yr. Suns want a young player and a pick. Let's offer Jerebko, Young and C's '16.



Markief Morris may have the reputation of being a bone head, and that should be examined, but he is a two way power forward that can defend his position, and then some. Sully has a problem defending other PF's, especially PF's who are athletes, or can easily get up and down the court. That's why he's mostly assigned to the opposing teams center. This will not change until Sully properly conditions, if ever. Interior defense is a problem with this Celtic team, and has to be addressed if we're ever going to contend.

Re: markief morris
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2016, 09:40:46 AM »

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This apparently is a story - according to Chris Mannix - the C's may pursue Morris!
It's "a Chris Mannix story", not "a story".

LOL, the amount of writers that people on this board automatically discount is amazing.  Mannix, Blakely, the entire BR site, wow.  Guess everyone here has better info than the people who are actually talking to others in the sport.
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Re: markief morris
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2016, 09:56:12 AM »

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I wonder if Danny goes hard at Korver knowing how badly the Cavs want him...could be a nice piece as part of a Love deal.
The Cavs at one point liked Markieff too. Sending those two guys to the Cavs in a Love deal could help us keep Crowder.
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Re: markief morris
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2016, 09:56:35 AM »

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Not a bad thought, should stabilize the PF spot for us at least.  Not sure it helps us land the star though.
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Re: markief morris
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2016, 10:44:09 AM »

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some guy is rattlin the cage ,shaking down your mother
hanging around the courts and talking trash,hustling wide eyed kids
who knows what he said
hood said it was a misunderstanding after a beating
case closed -street justice ,court with a net justice-
doesn't mean he is trouble-tight family ties
and what if phoenix did get them on the cheap as a package and broke the deal-
the celts could bring this guy back,brad has that effect
he protected his mother and was possibly betrayed by management after taking a cheap deal-may have cost them millions-
depends on what side of the tracks your on- and danny will have the right info
« Last Edit: February 17, 2016, 10:51:25 AM by rollie mass »

Re: markief morris
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2016, 10:59:30 AM »

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This apparently is a story - according to Chris Mannix - the C's may pursue Morris!
It's "a Chris Mannix story", not "a story".

LOL, the amount of writers that people on this board automatically discount is amazing.  Mannix, Blakely, the entire BR site, wow.  Guess everyone here has better info than the people who are actually talking to others in the sport.
No, guess people here know who has real information and who doesn't (hint: the Celtics courtside/postgame guys ain't it). Track record doesn't lie and these two have none.

Bleacher Report is a glorified fanzine. So yes, most of the folks who write there quite literally know as much or less than you and me.
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Re: markief morris
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2016, 11:28:09 AM »

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Can he play next to Horford?

Re: markief morris
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2016, 11:32:27 AM »

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Can he play next to Horford?
He can play next to his brother (trading his brother is apparently the reason why he's sulking all year).
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Re: markief morris
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2016, 11:50:26 AM »

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Can he play next to Horford?
He can play next to his brother (trading his brother is apparently the reason why he's sulking all year).

In their negotiations with Phoenix, the team said we'll pay both of you a total of 52 million over four years and let the brothers divide it between them.  Markief got 32 mil and Marcus got 20 mil.  They might have been able to get more on the open market but beyond that, the whole point of the deal was the brothers' desire to stay together in Phoenix and Suns management implicitly agreeing to that, only to turn around and trade Marcus after one season.

Yeah, he's been unprofessional but it's not like he doesn't have a legitimate gripe.

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Re: markief morris
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2016, 12:14:46 PM »

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Can he play next to Horford?
He can play next to his brother (trading his brother is apparently the reason why he's sulking all year).

In their negotiations with Phoenix, the team said we'll pay both of you a total of 52 million over four years and let the brothers divide it between them.  Markief got 32 mil and Marcus got 20 mil.  They might have been able to get more on the open market but beyond that, the whole point of the deal was the brothers' desire to stay together in Phoenix and Suns management implicitly agreeing to that, only to turn around and trade Marcus after one season.

Yeah, he's been unprofessional but it's not like he doesn't have a legitimate gripe.
That's the dumbest way to negotiate a contract I've ever heard of. If you think that's going to work in a pro league, you're deluding yourself.
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Re: markief morris
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2016, 12:27:47 PM »

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Check out what Markieff has been doing lately since Jeff Hornacek was fired:

20.6 points, 7.6 rebounds, 4.6 assists, 2 blocks, 1.0 steals, 5.8 FTA, 44.8% / 33.3% / 72.4%, 34.8 minutes per game, 5 games.


Now, do you want a guy on this Celts team that only started playing well this season when his coach got fired and the trade deadline drew near?

Maybe not.


On the other hand, a lot of words have been written lately about the rehabilitation of Evan Turner's career thanks to Brad Stevens.

Why can't Brad do the same thing for Markieff?  He seems to be a mentally and emotionally fragile player who will need the right influences around him and a significant role to keep him engaged.

All of that is less than ideal.

Still, Markieff has the kind of offensive talent and versatility that could help take the Celts up a notch, even while he is not the caliber of player that is really going to entirely change the game for the team.

If a deal for a major name isn't available around the deadline, the Celts could do much worse than trading for Markieff.  I'd revisit the idea of trading Sullinger, who will likely get paid a lot more than $8,000,000 per year this summer, along with a couple of second rounders or perhaps the Mavs' 2016 1st, and filler (e.g. Jerebko).


Counter-argument --

NO! We don't want to mess with team chemistry for a marginal upgrade. 

Plus, Sullinger's numbers leading up to the All-Star break look pretty good too.  Maybe he can put together a decent second half and add some offensive competency to his significant contributions defensively and on the boards over the first half of the season.

Making a move just to make a move isn't something the Celts need to do.
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Re: markief morris
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2016, 12:32:18 PM »

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Can he play next to Horford?
He can play next to his brother (trading his brother is apparently the reason why he's sulking all year).

I have a feeling it has less to do with not getting to play next to his brother, per se, and more to do with the fact that he supposedly was led by the Suns to believe that if he and his brother signed below-market deals, they could stay together in Phoenix, with the implication being the Suns wouldn't turn around and trade one of them less than a year later.

In other words, it sounds to me like he felt betrayed, not that he suddenly fell apart when his brother wasn't around anymore.
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Re: markief morris
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2016, 12:46:04 PM »

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Don't we have enough power forwards already?

Maybe a 3-way with Miami where they get Morris to back-fill for Bosh, we get Winslow and McRoberts, PHO gets James Young, Jerebko and the Dallas pick plus maybe we send our 2018 pick to Miami.  Summary:

To Boston:  Winslow/McRoberts

To Miami:  Morris and Boston 2018 1st

To PHO:  Young, Jerebko, 2016 Dallas 1st

Booommmm!!!  I guess Miami might want more.  I think there is a trade in there though.

Re: markief morris
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2016, 12:54:17 PM »

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I wonder if Danny goes hard at Korver knowing how badly the Cavs want him...could be a nice piece as part of a Love deal.
The Cavs at one point liked Markieff too. Sending those two guys to the Cavs in a Love deal could help us keep Crowder.

I like your thinking 2 steps ahead.  This is probably closer to DA's actual interest in Morris.  Package him and send him on to some other team who has someone we want.

No making that happen, well that is the hard part....

Re: markief morris
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2016, 01:11:04 PM »

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Check out what Markieff has been doing lately since Jeff Hornacek was fired:

20.6 points, 7.6 rebounds, 4.6 assists, 2 blocks, 1.0 steals, 5.8 FTA, 44.8% / 33.3% / 72.4%, 34.8 minutes per game, 5 games.


Now, do you want a guy on this Celts team that only started playing well this season when his coach got fired and the trade deadline drew near?
The better question is who do you think Morris is going to be on a time horizon a little longer than 5 games, because this pace is clearly not sustainable.
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