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Re: Colangelo hints at shrinking role for Hinkie
« Reply #60 on: February 17, 2016, 07:12:19 PM »

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The ProcessTM is dead. Long live the ProcessTM
This literally IS The ProcessTM ... tank for a few years, collect boatloads of assets, try their darndest to land a superstar through the draft, and then try to put together a competitive team. 

They are in phenomenal position right now.  It's no guarantee they make the right moves from here, but so far The ProcessTM has set them up wonderfully.

You continue to rep this "boatload" of assets that Philly has.  I think you are horribly mistaken that the league sees it the same way.

If Philly offered Noel, Okafor, Saric, and all of their 1st rounders this year...what player or players would they get back?  Durant?  Westbrook? Klay Thompson?  Lebron?  Paul George?  Anthony Davis?

You tell us how this team gets competitive in 3 years with what they have.  Trades only.  No free agents because aint no one signing in Philly.

Re: Colangelo hints at shrinking role for Hinkie
« Reply #61 on: February 17, 2016, 07:50:43 PM »

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The ProcessTM is dead. Long live the ProcessTM
This literally IS The ProcessTM ... tank for a few years, collect boatloads of assets, try their darndest to land a superstar through the draft, and then try to put together a competitive team. 

They are in phenomenal position right now.  It's no guarantee they make the right moves from here, but so far The ProcessTM has set them up wonderfully.

You continue to rep this "boatload" of assets that Philly has.  I think you are horribly mistaken that the league sees it the same way.

If Philly offered Noel, Okafor, Saric, and all of their 1st rounders this year...what player or players would they get back?  Durant?  Westbrook? Klay Thompson?  Lebron?  Paul George?  Anthony Davis?

You tell us how this team gets competitive in 3 years with what they have.  Trades only.  No free agents because aint no one signing in Philly.

Think of every Celtic trade idea you can think of built around Marcus Smart and/or the Brooklyn pick.

That's the kind of trades Philly can make when they are ready.

In the previous post, a confused casual just accused me of "trolling" for suggesting Philly will have a bright future.   The casual suggested I needed to make a clear prediction on which players Philly will trade for.  That's inane. 

It will entirely depend on who gets healthy, what the market is for their various players, who is available on the market when they are ready to try build a team, who they end up drafting, who they end up signing via free agency, etc.   Nobody can make that prediction.   The point is, Philly has plenty of assets, plenty of intriguing young players, more cap space than anyone, and plenty of options.

They aren't in that mode yet though.  They are still in asset acquisition mode.   As I've been telling people, they are unlikely to make moves to improve this team until the Summer.   Per a report today: 

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The Philadelphia 76ers continue to be in the asset accumulation phase of their rebuild.

With the hiring of Jerry Colangelo in December, the 76ers appeared to be shifting away from Sam Hinkie's plan of an extended rebuild.

The 76ers remain interested in taking on bad contracts in order to receive more draft picks.

As expected, this they will stay the course in their attempt to land another solid prospect through the draft.  They will likely begin to address their needs this Summer. 

I do, however, stand by my belief that a competent GM can turn this team into a winner relatively easily.   By all accounts, Colangelo is a competent GM.  If he fails to turn this team around, I'll be completely shocked.   He has every weapon at his disposal.  This is a cake job for a good GM.  Boatloads of assets, cap space, potential franchise cornerstones already on the roster... it's like a unicorn-level GM job.  It would take a real idiot to mess this up.

Re: Colangelo hints at shrinking role for Hinkie
« Reply #62 on: February 17, 2016, 08:45:51 PM »

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The ProcessTM is dead. Long live the ProcessTM
This literally IS The ProcessTM ... tank for a few years, collect boatloads of assets, try their darndest to land a superstar through the draft, and then try to put together a competitive team. 

They are in phenomenal position right now.  It's no guarantee they make the right moves from here, but so far The ProcessTM has set them up wonderfully.

You continue to rep this "boatload" of assets that Philly has.  I think you are horribly mistaken that the league sees it the same way.

If Philly offered Noel, Okafor, Saric, and all of their 1st rounders this year...what player or players would they get back?  Durant?  Westbrook? Klay Thompson?  Lebron?  Paul George?  Anthony Davis?

You tell us how this team gets competitive in 3 years with what they have.  Trades only.  No free agents because aint no one signing in Philly.

Think of every Celtic trade idea you can think of built around Marcus Smart and/or the Brooklyn pick.

That's the kind of trades Philly can make when they are ready.

In the previous post, a confused casual just accused me of "trolling" for suggesting Philly will have a bright future.   The casual suggested I needed to make a clear prediction on which players Philly will trade for.  That's inane. 

It will entirely depend on who gets healthy, what the market is for their various players, who is available on the market when they are ready to try build a team, who they end up drafting, who they end up signing via free agency, etc.   Nobody can make that prediction.   The point is, Philly has plenty of assets, plenty of intriguing young players, more cap space than anyone, and plenty of options.

They aren't in that mode yet though.  They are still in asset acquisition mode.   As I've been telling people, they are unlikely to make moves to improve this team until the Summer.   Per a report today: 

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The Philadelphia 76ers continue to be in the asset accumulation phase of their rebuild.

With the hiring of Jerry Colangelo in December, the 76ers appeared to be shifting away from Sam Hinkie's plan of an extended rebuild.

The 76ers remain interested in taking on bad contracts in order to receive more draft picks.

As expected, this they will stay the course in their attempt to land another solid prospect through the draft.  They will likely begin to address their needs this Summer. 

I do, however, stand by my belief that a competent GM can turn this team into a winner relatively easily.   By all accounts, Colangelo is a competent GM.  If he fails to turn this team around, I'll be completely shocked.   He has every weapon at his disposal.  This is a cake job for a good GM.  Boatloads of assets, cap space, potential franchise cornerstones already on the roster... it's like a unicorn-level GM job.  It would take a real idiot to mess this up.

When you tank that hard for 3-4 years, essentially killing the lifeblood of the team, the kind of uncertainty bolded above is not acceptable...

which is why I'd like to you to say how many titles the plan will yield.  I mean you could at least go out on a limb and predict a single title and say approximately how many years it will take.  Stop hiding behind all the "competent GM" talk.  We know the GM.  It's Colangelo, cream of the crop, following a plan that has yielded "Gold" and "boatloads of assets" which only an "idiot" could screw up.  So there it is...prediction time. 




Colangelos taking trade calls, not Hinkie
« Reply #63 on: February 18, 2016, 01:07:52 AM »

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http://www.theintell.com/sports/sixers/source-sixers-gauging-interest-in-okafor/article_419783af-14e3-508c-b391-736a3f81de08.html

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As for who's running the basketball show for the Sixers now, the first source said, "From what I heard, teams in the NBA are calling Colangelo" with trade proposals.

"Hinkie's not calling the shots — it's Colangelo," said the second source. "People in the know know that. When it originally took place, people thought Colangelo was working for Hinkie. They were sadly mistaken. Colangelo doesn't work for anybody."

Only those who refuse to see thought Hinkie was calling the shots. He'll be gone soon enough.

Re: Colangelo hints at shrinking role for Hinkie
« Reply #64 on: February 18, 2016, 01:24:44 AM »

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eesh. What would they trade Okafor for? I think his value has to be lower than draft night right now. It is sometimes really hard and confusing to see how this all works out for them. So many variables. It makes for great theater though.

Re: Colangelo hints at shrinking role for Hinkie
« Reply #65 on: February 18, 2016, 01:44:49 AM »

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The problem in Philly is that they have too many flawed assets and the clock is ticking. Noel has 1 year left on his rookie deal and he'll be a RFA. Embiid looks more like Oden every day. Okafor's stock isn't all that high - low post centers are at their lowest value in years and he's been very, very one dimensional.

They aren't *bad* assets but they also have no team outside of those "assets". So what happens even if they can trade 2 or three of those picks/players for an All-Star? They'd have one All-Star and a roster full of replacement players and still be terrible.

At this rate, Philly could win 100 games in 10 years, hoping every year to draft a superstar and churning through prospects, eventually losing them when no established players want anything to do with the franchise. They've been playing fantasy basketball and it's not working.