Colangelo hints at shrinking role for Hinkie

[GreenFaith1819]

Good.

Shrink it down to microscopic level and perhaps that team can climb out of mediocrity.

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Why did they need to hire Colangelo if Hinkie did such a wonderful job in the first place?

Simple. Because The Process has strained Hinkie's relationship with leading agents. Colangelo has excellent ones with those folks, not to mention top players. Now that they're ready to ascend, they can use Colangelo's unique power.

[footey]

I'm with Larry Bird on this one.  Hinkie has done a great job of collecting assets. A lot will depend on Embiid's ability to get healthy. If he does, they are going to be holding a lot of cards. He also probably wished he could have a do over and take KP instead of Okafor, but it's not like Okafor will be a bust. They will very likely get a top two pick this season.  Saric will come to the States next year.  If Embiid is healthy all of next year, then they will move Okafor, Noel or both and get some really sweet assets in return.  If the Celtics did exactly what Hinkie did the last few years, we would be singing Danny's praises.  You can't tank half arsed unless you get Lebron James, and guys like that come once every, well, 25 years.

[Sixth Man]

TL;Dr:   Colangelo wants the team to be good in 3 years.  He expects them to be better than they were when he took over.  In other words, "duh... That's been the plan all along". 

The rest is just a lot of the typical nonsense.   Colangelo has already come out and admitted its in the team's best interest to tank this year, he's already admitted than hinkie did a phenomenal job collecting assets, he's already admitted that the team is in good position heading forward and that he's a fan of embiid. 

A good gm can have this team winning in 3 years... Which is the entire point in hiring colangelo.  They have tons of assets.  It's in their best interest to pretend like there has been a significant culture shift as they head into free agency, but this has always been the intended course.  Anyone who expected the team to keep tanking for the next few years doesn't get it.

Why did they need to hire Colangelo if Hinkie did such a wonderful job in the first place?

Hinkie was brought in to collect assets and set the team up to tank.  That's literally what he was hired to do.   Can't hurt to have a guy like Colangelo there to help the team take the next step.   Also, it placated the rabblerousers and created the perception that there was a new regime... it will help when free agency rolls around.

'Rabblerousers' you wrote, incredibly!  How very precious of you...

[SCeltic34]

TL;Dr:   Colangelo wants the team to be good in 3 years.  He expects them to be better than they were when he took over.  In other words, "duh... That's been the plan all along". 

The rest is just a lot of the typical nonsense.   Colangelo has already come out and admitted its in the team's best interest to tank this year, he's already admitted than hinkie did a phenomenal job collecting assets, he's already admitted that the team is in good position heading forward and that he's a fan of embiid. 

A good gm can have this team winning in 3 years... Which is the entire point in hiring colangelo.  They have tons of assets.  It's in their best interest to pretend like there has been a significant culture shift as they head into free agency, but this has always been the intended course.  Anyone who expected the team to keep tanking for the next few years doesn't get it.

Why did they need to hire Colangelo if Hinkie did such a wonderful job in the first place?

Hinkie was brought in to collect assets and set the team up to tank.  That's literally what he was hired to do.   Can't hurt to have a guy like Colangelo there to help the team take the next step.   Also, it placated the rabblerousers and created the perception that there was a new regime... it will help when free agency rolls around.

Professional sports organizations don't hire someone specifically just to tank.  Setting up your team to fail by trading away your team's talent for future assets is easy.  There are people on this board who could have done the exact same thing Hinkie did. 

Multiple years of blatant tanking and he still doesn't have superstar level talent to show for it.  You can't build a championship contender around Noel.  I'd say the same thing about Okafor who is terrible defensively, but he's still young.  Embiid hasn't played a second of NBA baksetball.

The real test comes with the decisions that are made once a superstar is acquired.  That's Hinkie's real challenge and where GMs prove their worth.  Not tearing the team down.  Unless you call praying for ping pong balls to bounce in your favor a suitable strategy.  And even if those balls bounce your way, acquiring young elite talent doesn't guarantee anything (see Davis, Anthony, and the NO Pelicans, and DMC and the Kings).    Maybe we'll never get the chance to see how it plays out, because I was heavily banking on Hinkie to fail.

[celticsclay]

I think it is a fair point that just about anyone on this board could have done what Hinkie did. It wasn't recreating the game. He basically tried to be as bad as possible for as many years as he could to increase the chances of landing a superstar. All that being said, hitting on those draft picks becomes that much more important. It really look like he may missed out on the one superstar that was available at the slot of his draft in Taking okafor. He also did a gamble on Embiid's health and that has not worked out either. Hasn't done anything that crazy though, and hasn't done anything that great.

[TheSundanceKid]

I think it is a fair point that just about anyone on this board could have done what Hinkie did. It wasn't recreating the game. He basically tried to be as bad as possible for as many years as he could to increase the chances of landing a superstar. All that being said, hitting on those draft picks becomes that much more important. It really look like he may missed out on the one superstar that was available at the slot of his draft in Taking okafor. He also did a gamble on Embiid's health and that has not worked out either. Hasn't done anything that crazy though, and hasn't done anything that great.

I don't know about that. They've been incredibly opportunistic in using their cap space to gain assets. The Lakers pick and the Sacramento deal in the summer spring to mind.

I think if Embiid had recovered from his injury then this year would've been the first year angling toward the playoffs. Next year they will move up the league. Colangelo will definitely help them in that process but he hasn't changed the direction of the team.

If anything it must be annoying for Hinkie that he's had to do the "dirty work" and not be given the reigns to pull them out of it, showing the NBA that his strategy was indeed sound. If they succeed now people will say it was in spite of Hinkie. If the next time they get to the playoffs it is with a core that was built using the assets HE acquired, then he deserves some of the credit

[moiso]

TL;Dr:   Colangelo wants the team to be good in 3 years.  He expects them to be better than they were when he took over.  In other words, "duh... That's been the plan all along". 

The rest is just a lot of the typical nonsense.   Colangelo has already come out and admitted its in the team's best interest to tank this year, he's already admitted that hinkie did a phenomenal job collecting assets, he's already admitted that the team is in good position heading forward and that he's a fan of embiid. 

A good gm can have this team winning in 3 years... Which is the entire point in hiring colangelo.  They have tons of assets.  It's in their best interest to pretend like there has been a significant culture shift as they head into free agency, but this has always been the intended course.  Anyone who expected the team to keep tanking for the next few years doesn't get it.

In your head you think Colangelo has said that the team wants to tank this year, only Colangelo never said that.

[GC003332]

It will be interesting if the Sixers do part ways with Hinkie sometime in the future whether or not any other franchises consider him for future work, See how much they respect the 'job' that he has done over the last 2 and a half seasons.
If he is unable to land future employment as a GM with another franchise that will be pretty telling in my mind.

[Moranis]

TL;Dr:   Colangelo wants the team to be good in 3 years.  He expects them to be better than they were when he took over.  In other words, "duh... That's been the plan all along". 

The rest is just a lot of the typical nonsense.   Colangelo has already come out and admitted its in the team's best interest to tank this year, he's already admitted that hinkie did a phenomenal job collecting assets, he's already admitted that the team is in good position heading forward and that he's a fan of embiid. 

A good gm can have this team winning in 3 years... Which is the entire point in hiring colangelo.  They have tons of assets.  It's in their best interest to pretend like there has been a significant culture shift as they head into free agency, but this has always been the intended course.  Anyone who expected the team to keep tanking for the next few years doesn't get it.

In your head you think Colangelo has said that the team wants to tank this year, only Colangelo never said that.

No one ever uses the T word, but Colangelo has certainly implied Philly won't do anything of note until the summer, which effectively means they are continuing the tank.

[slamtheking]

hmm, based on his changing role, I think he should now be officially called "Shr-Hinkie" 

[SHAQATTACK]

Agree with other posters.

Half the 12 year olds on the blog want to blow,the team up year after year to draft the NEXT MJ .

So Hinkie is no master brain.  More like a pea brain.   Or he never reached his 13 th birthday .

He is still trying to cheat at Monopoly  ,    Pulling a stupid stunt.

He simply convinced a bunch of poorly focused owners this was a great plan , one every teen dreams of,   Just loose on purpose , stop playing Professional sports,  find an idiot coach willing to,go along .....with no self respect ....use D League players ,  draft the best players , give them no veterans or other decent players to try and win with .  Childish behavior ......insulting to the NBA ......and everybody else focused on winning and doing the best you can everynight . 

Let's just draft the best BiG man every year , forget fans , forget sports , forget building , forget that we are part of the basketball community , forget responsibilities to everybody and continue to BS the world .  With blogs of teens with no brains support you .

Hinkie should be tarred and feathered.

[oldtype]

So basically it was Hinkie's plan all along to tank, accumulate assets, get fired, and let someone else reap the benefits?

[moiso]

hmm, based on his changing role, I think he should now be officially called "Shr-Hinkie" 

Hahaha!

[celticsclay]

I think it is a fair point that just about anyone on this board could have done what Hinkie did. It wasn't recreating the game. He basically tried to be as bad as possible for as many years as he could to increase the chances of landing a superstar. All that being said, hitting on those draft picks becomes that much more important. It really look like he may missed out on the one superstar that was available at the slot of his draft in Taking okafor. He also did a gamble on Embiid's health and that has not worked out either. Hasn't done anything that crazy though, and hasn't done anything that great.

I don't know about that. They've been incredibly opportunistic in using their cap space to gain assets. The Lakers pick and the Sacramento deal in the summer spring to mind.

I think if Embiid had recovered from his injury then this year would've been the first year angling toward the playoffs. Next year they will move up the league. Colangelo will definitely help them in that process but he hasn't changed the direction of the team.

If anything it must be annoying for Hinkie that he's had to do the "dirty work" and not be given the reigns to pull them out of it, showing the NBA that his strategy was indeed sound. If they succeed now people will say it was in spite of Hinkie. If the next time they get to the playoffs it is with a core that was built using the assets HE acquired, then he deserves some of the credit

Well whether the Lakers pick conveys this year pretty much determines if it is a good or bad trade. At the absolute worst, MCW is a very strong defensive guard that would be in a rotation on a really good team. At times, he looks like he could be a starting caliber point guard. It is starting to look like his shot won't improve so getting rid of him was a good idea. However, if the Lakers pick doesn't come through this year, it seems hard to believe that it will be much better than 10th-12th next year after another year of development from Randle, Russel and Clarkson, hiring an actual competent coach and losing the net negative of Kobe taking tons of shots. There is also a change it drops down further if they can sign any halfway decent free agents (I do think at least some players will want to play there with Kobe gone).

So MCW coming off ROY for a pick that is 4th or 5th that you wait a year for, outstanding trade.
If it ends up being MCW for a mid first pick in the draft that you wait 2.5 years to get, I think they could have gotten better for him than that at the time.

Regarding the Sacramento trade I never quite got why Barnwell  (at Grantland) was so excited about it at the time. I am not sure Stauskas finishes his rookie contract he seems like a net negative asset at this time that could get cut. He has been that bad. For all the train wreck that has been Sacramento's season, they are going to have less than a 1% chance of swapping picks with Philly this season (and possible it is zero if they rise above some of the garbage in the race for 8th). It is cool they have those extra ping pong balls, but nothing I would say is absolutely brilliant.