Do other GM's cringe at trading with Danny? Do C's fans fear the thought of ....

[spikelovetheCelts]

While the article headline is a screamer, all it really says is that Ainge doesn't want to overpay.  Neither does any other GM.

Then longer you wait the less they will take. We can trade our second round picks on Draft night to the Nets. They will give us pennies on the dollar.

[mgent]

I think it's more that GM's are lowballing him.

They know every other team is lowballing us, so they're not worried.

I think teams are collectively willing to freeze Danny out until Free Agency, where he'll either be strong-armed into trading 2 picks and/or players just to make room on the roster for our 3 picks (assuming we renounce Lee), or more likely, he'll be forced to renounce 2 of Zeller, Turner, and Sully putting them in FA for everyone else (other option being forced give away 2 of Young, Rozier, Hunter, Mickey, Jerebko and/or Zeller for a 2nd rounders).

That's also assuming we use NONE of our cap space on FAs, or else that's another roster spot we have to make room for.

I guess another option is draft a guy in the first round who wants to play overseas, but you'd need a perfect storm scenario to have him be the BPA.

Trading quantity for quality is one hell of a lot harder than the other way around.

[mef730]

If you're a GM worth your salt, I don't think you should be afraid of dealing with any other GM. You should just turn down the offer if you think it's a bad one.

Exactly. This whole "GMs are afraid to trade with DA" meme is just another way for people to keep the prices down.

Mike

[Denis998]

I think they might be hesitant to deal with him, but I don't think they will outright ignore him at that. After all it is their job, and Boston has the most quantity of "Assets" in the league.

[j804]

Look at this article and headline, probably true.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25484515/nba-trade-deadline-think-twice-before-dealing-with-danny-ainge-celtics

[CelticD]

james dolan reportedly had an issue like that. he vetoed a trade for lowry due to cold feet. didn't like the idea of giving up young talent to masai uriji who won the melo trade. source was frank isola. perhaps some gm's do think like that.

edit: i think he also won the bargnani trade.

link:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/dolan-blocks-knicks-deal-raptors-lowry-article-1.1546553

[CelticD]

 double-post

[LarBrd33]

Yeah if the perception is that you've won a bunch of trades, teams will be hesitant to be the next team to look like fools.  At some point, though, your assets will speak for themselves.   If you want a potential high lotto pick and no other team is offering a potential high lotto pick, you can't really scoff at Boston offering you the Brooklyn pick. 

But I think it goes beyond just Ainge. Boston is really good at highlighting the skills of players and masking their flaws.  Our coach is phenomenal.   If a team is looking at acquiring a "star prospect" like Marcus Smart, it's easy to see his success in Boston and how well he's fit into Brad's system...  but if I was an opposing team, I'd be scared to death of trading for Marcus Smart.  Who knows how he'd look on a different team.  I'd be worried about taking on a guy like Avery Bradley too.  Sure, he looks great in Boston, but is an undersized guard like him going to struggle getting his offense in a different system?  Does he only look good on Boston?   So many guys have left the Celtics and seen their productivity vanish.  Teams could talk themselves out of trading for a guy who might actually be a great fit.  Olynyk, for instance... that guy could theoretically end up getting 35+ minutes on a different team and dropping 17 and 7, but an opposing team might look at him and decide, "Nah... he probably only succeeds, because Brad Stevens has the special sauce to make that garbage meat edible".   

[mmmmm]

If you're a GM worth your salt, I don't think you should be afraid of dealing with any other GM. You should just turn down the offer if you think it's a bad one.

Regarding making the Cavs stronger, I don't think we should really be too concerned about that. I think DA needs to focus on making the C's better and not get too concerned whether or not other teams upgrade. For example, if we can trade Bradley+Lee for Love but it means Cleveland lands Melo, we should participate in that trade because that is tremendous value for Bradley+Lee.

in that situation we would also be giving up a brk pick, likely the 2016

Is Love for AB/Lee and Nets 2016 pick tremendous value ?

Yes.   You'd be getting Love under contractual control for this year plus his age 28-31 seasons (through 2020).

The odds of the BKN 16 pick turning into a player of Love's caliber are not tiny, but they are pretty small.

[mmmmm]

According to this article...the answer is YES because Ainge is ruthless!

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25484166/nba-trade-rumors-live-blog-21516-nets-shopping-thad-young


"   THE CELTICS BASICALLY WANT TO ROB YOU BLIND.
Dealing with the Celtics sounds like a nightmare. Everything leaks, and yet nothing ever exposes the Celtics' position in potential deals. See if you can spot the pattern here:

Atlanta center Al Horford, another big name that has been attached to the Celtics, falls into that group – with a price tag that is prohibitive for a player who is about to become a free agent. Denver's Danilo Gallinari, who has intrigued Celtics president Danny Ainge, was a dead issue well before those talks were reported.
Asked whether the team is increasingly reluctant to part with its collection of Brooklyn first round picks – 2016, the right to swap in 2017, and finally 2018 – the source said, “Not likely, sure.”
Indeed, the Celtics' recent success considered, they do not feel an urgency to get something done by Thursday, though David Lee and his $15.5 million contract have to be burning a hole in Danny Ainge's pocket.
The source said that the Celtics, “do not feel that they have to do anything. Sure they'd like to do something. Every team wants to, but first you have to find something that works with a trade partner."
Source: Celtics bide time in trade market; Isaiah does some recruiting | Boston Herald.

In that brief quote, the Celtics aren't going to overpay for Horford, won't part with any of the Nets' picks, and the Celtics aren't pressured to make a trade. Nevermind that they have more picks than they have roster spots available for next season, or that if the Celtics really want to make a playoff run they need to make a deal for at least one positional upgrade.

Must be nice to be the Celtics, able to trade for anyone and not having to ever overpay."

Okay ... other teams are letting it be known that they value their players very highly, right?

And Danny is letting it be known that he values his own assets (the Nets pick) very highly, right?

So ... how is one side any different from the other here?

This is just normal NBA pre-trade posturing through rumors and leaks.   Maybe something will happen.  Maybe it won't.   You can't really read anything into all the leaks & such.   Sometimes we get wind of a Danny trade before hit happens, but I think more often than not it comes out of left field.

[mmmmm]

I guess another option is draft a guy in the first round who wants to play overseas, but you'd need a perfect storm scenario to have him be the BPA.

I suppose Dragan Bender may be a good candidate for this sort of move.

He'd be even younger than James Young relative to his draft class, so letting him play out at least one more season in Israel would probably be a good idea.   It would also reduce the number of years of his current contract that have be bought out.

[Fafnir]

Ainge is notoriously active making calls to measure value and kick all the tires. He also low-balls other GMs like crazy while doing so.

[biggs]

I don't think Ainge is feared by other GM's, but I do think he has to be extra creative, as the big three concept has been emulated to another level, and the Brooklyn trade probably wouldn't happen again without front office heads rolling.

As others have said, the Jordan/Kaminsky blunder is a great example, because if Jordan feared getting fleeced by trader Danny, he immediately realized after turning it down that it would have been a fair deal.

I think the real problem is that our players are over valued by us/under valued by other GM's.

If we had say, Okafor as a trading chip, I guarantee other GM's would be fearlessly calling us and asking about his availability.

[Celtics4ever]

I think our assets are not as valued as they are here in this forum by GMs.  The BRK pick is the best asset we have.

[walker834]

Danny is smarter than most people and it p---es off other GM's.