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Bleacher report says the celtics should go for monroe
« on: February 12, 2016, 11:32:32 AM »

Offline Hawkeye199

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Boston Celtics Receive: C Greg Monroe
Milwaukee Bucks Receive: F/C David Lee, PF Jared Sullinger and 2016 top-seven-protected first-round pick
Dan Favale: Greg Monroe isn't DeMarcus Cousins, which is kind of a good thing. The Boston Celtics have been linked to him forever and cannot wait around for the Sacramento Kings to actually make him available.

The Milwaukee Bucks, mind you, haven't put Greg Monroe on the chopping block, as Zach Lowe of ESPN.com noted while proposing the Celtics make a run at him. But the Bucks also haven't performed up to snuff.

Monroe was signed with the expectation he could push Milwaukee past mediocrity. But the Bucks own the Eastern Conference's third-worst record, and Monroe, as Lowe underscored, has proved to be an awkward fit alongside Giannis Antetokounmpo and Jabari Parker:

It's going to be a long slog for Parker, and these Bucks. He doesn't have a post game yet. He has shot just 9-of-25 out of the pick-and-roll all season, and most of those are bricked pick-and-pop jumpers, per Synergy Sports. Parker can be explosive rolling to the hoop for dunks, but it's hard to find space when Monroe, [John] Henson or even Antetokounmpo is loitering around the paint.

Opponents are outscoring the Bucks by 2.5 points per 100 possessions when Antetokounmpo, Monroe and Parker share the floor. That's better than Milwaukee's overall net rating but nowhere near good enough to chase a playoff berth.

Monroe is easily the most expendable of the three. Antetokounmpo and Parker are still on their rookie deals, and Milwaukee's broken defense is better off with John Henson getting more burn.

Jared Sullinger and one of Boston's bajillion first-rounders, along with David Lee's expiring deal, is fair compensation should the Bucks decide to repurpose their season. Sullinger has more range on his jumper than Monroe and won't fetch anything in restricted free agency that approaches the $17.1 million Milwaukee owes his would-be predecessor in 2016-17.

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Boston needs offense, and Monroe is offense.
If there is a team that can deploy a top-tier defense with Monroe logging heavy minutes, it's the Celtics. They already rank in the top three of points allowed per 100 possessions without a strong rim protector. Their defensive success is tied more to perimeter pests Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder and Marcus Smart.

Gambling on Monroe would be mostly about upping the ante on offense. The Celtics rank in the bottom 10 of points scored per 100 possessions, and Monroe is a borderline superstar on that end of the floor. He is one of just five bigs hitting 18.5 points and 2.5 assists per 36 minutes and averages far more points in the post than anyone else on Boston's roster.

Acquiring him, in this scenario, doesn't cost the Celtics many of their assets. They will still have the picks and prospects to pull the trigger on another blockbuster deal, and Monroe all but guarantees they don't miss the playoffs.

 

Adam Fromal: Something needs to change in Milwaukee, which has backslid more than anyone could've predicted behind a defense that would now have trouble stopping a nosebleed.

Even though the team is technically better at preventing points when Monroe is on the court, it's hard to imagine that being anything but a teammate-driven fluke. ESPN.com's defensive real plus/minus, for example, has Monroe as the No. 25 defender at his position.

I like the current structure of the proposed trade (so long as we can make that 2016 first-rounder a lottery-protected pick rather than just guaranteeing the top six slots). But I love it if we're viewing it as the first trade in a sequence of moves.

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Juggling Henson's and Parker's minutes with those of Lee and Sullinger is the lone downside to this deal.
Bringing in both Jared Sullinger and David Lee is only going to get in the way of John Henson receiving the minutes he's deserved for quite a while, and it could prevent head coach Jason Kidd from playing Jabari Parker at the 4. Ultimately, that's the natural position for the Duke product, and the Bucks are best served getting him into that spot as soon as possible.

This is still a mutually beneficial deal—Boston gets the best player, and Milwaukee engages in a bit of addition by subtraction while getting its hands on rebuilding assets. But if the Bucks know there's a subsequent market for Sullinger or Lee (or both), that's even better.
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Re: Bleacher report says the celtics should go for monroe
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2016, 11:40:58 AM »

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I'd gladly trade Lee, Sully and the Dallas pick for Monroe. I think that would be a steal.

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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2016, 11:41:33 AM »

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The thought crossed my mind during the bucks game a few days ago.  Watching Monroe play one of his best games.  Is he auditioning?  Is he saying to Boston look at me make an offer?

Out of horford, Howard, and Monroe I if I had to make a choice i'd go for Monroe.  Problem is I think Monroe would be the most expensive of the bunch.

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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2016, 11:46:27 AM »

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I'd gladly trade Lee, Sully and the Dallas pick for Monroe. I think that would be a steal.
It is a steal, Bucks will probably want more.

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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2016, 11:48:08 AM »

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I'd say based on talent and rumored asking price
Cousins>Howard>Monroe>Hordford

Wild card is Favors. If I'm DA I check Favors price.

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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2016, 11:48:41 AM »

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Monroe for Sullinger and pick(s). Where do I sign? I'd probably be willing to give them both our and Dallas' pick.

Mind you, even though the Bucks haven't officially made him available, they have now put him on the bench. This probably doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things (he's still getting his minutes), but it may be a sign he hasn't panned out there.
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2016, 12:01:53 PM »

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I've wanted Monroe for like forever.  Thought the Celtics really blew it by not being more aggressive with him in the summer.  I even threw his name at Woj and he didn't believe the Bucks would move him and that the Celts even acquiring him could be a stretch.  Broke my heart.  Monroe is not a franchise center piece but this team is much better if you swap out Sullinger at the center spot for Monroe.

Wish this was done in July however...instead of Lee and Johnson.
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2016, 12:11:22 PM »

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The Celtics rank in the bottom 10 of points scored per 100 possessions

Offensive rating is points scored per 100 possessions.  The Celtics are 9th in offensive rating.  There are more than 19 teams in the NBA.
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2016, 12:14:44 PM »

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The Celtics rank in the bottom 10 of points scored per 100 possessions

Offensive rating is points scored per 100 possessions.  The Celtics are 9th in offensive rating.  There are more than 19 teams in the NBA.
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2016, 12:37:44 PM »

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I've wanted Monroe for like forever.  Thought the Celtics really blew it by not being more aggressive with him in the summer................
Wish this was done in July however...instead of Lee and Johnson.

Me too. I very much wanted him this summer and still do. The way that whole thing went down was kind of weird. Many people were saying that he chose the Bucks over other franchises (implying us also). I have a hard time buying that. Danny and Falk have (I thought) a pretty good working relationship. I have a very hard time believing that if we were interested, we couldn't have at least gotten a sit-down with him.

I have nothing to base this on, except my gut, but I don't think that CBS thought that Monroe fit his system well, so Danny didn't pursue him (maybe Danny didn't think so too, who knows?). If that was the case, that was a big mistake.

His offense, rebounding, passing, running the floor, youth and durability speak for themselves.

The knock on him is his defense, and given his physical tools and whom he would be with here, that will improve, I think substantially.

Honestly, given his age and durability, I'd rather pay Monroe $17-20 mil for the next 3  1/2 years than Horford over $140 mil for 5 or Howard who wants to get paid max whatever.

Just dreaming about Monroe/Horford or Monroe/Cousins or Monroe/Favors, or even Monroe/Howard, but that would be similar to Monroe/Drummond..CBS could work it out.

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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2016, 12:48:23 PM »

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Monroe would be a perfectly fine back-up plan to Al Horford, if the Bucks are indeed willing to trade him.

Might not improve the team as much as Dwight Howard would, but will cost less and produce more long term.
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2016, 12:53:32 PM »

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If the cost is similar, I take Monroe over Horford or Howard simply because he's not a half year rental, and is actually on a reasonable contract given the coming cap limits.  I also think he's a better low post scorer than either, although not as good a defender.  Seems his tools would lend themselves to him being at least as good a defender as Sully though, which is good enough.

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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2016, 12:53:32 PM »

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I have nothing to base this on, except my gut, but I don't think that CBS thought that Monroe fit his system well, so Danny didn't pursue him (maybe Danny didn't think so too, who knows?). If that was the case, that was a big mistake.

It was the opposite of a mistake.  The Celtics would be better off with Zaza Pachulia than Greg Monroe.
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2016, 12:59:08 PM »

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I have nothing to base this on, except my gut, but I don't think that CBS thought that Monroe fit his system well, so Danny didn't pursue him (maybe Danny didn't think so too, who knows?). If that was the case, that was a big mistake.

It was the opposite of a mistake.  The Celtics would be better off with Zaza Pachulia than Greg Monroe.

I do like Zaza. He would've been a good signing. He KILLS us whenever he plays us, going back to the tong wars with the Hawks for a bunch of years. He would've fit in with our "junkyard dogs" very well.

We'll have to agree to disagree on Monroe.

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Isn't he god awful on defense?